Shark,
crank position sensor
works like a magnet tell ing computer where the crank is and when to fire the spark to the plugs .. if the plugs dont fire at the right time the fuel wont ignite
and no starty
I belive thats right ?? been a while since it was explained to me
cost about $65 at Autozone
install is two nuts and a plug into the wire
bout 20 min..tops
The following test can be considered a general test for most systems. Refer to the service manual for specific procedures for you automobile.
No-Start Diagnosis
The diagnostic procedure for EI (electronic ignition) systems varies depending on the vehicle make and model year. Always follow the procedure recommended in the vehicle manufacturer's service manual.
The following procedure is based on Chrysler EI systems. The crankshaft timing sensor and camshaft reference sensor in these systems are modified Hall-effect switches.
If a crank or cam sensor fails, the engine will not start. Both of these sensor circuits can be checked with a voltmeter or lab scope.
If the sensors are receiving the correct amount of voltage and have good low-resistance ground circuits, their output should be a pulsing digital signal or voltmeter reading while the engine is cranking.
If any of these conditions do not exist, the circuit needs to be repaired or the sensor needs to be replaced. When the engine fails to start, follow these steps:
Check for fault codes 11 and 43.
Code 11, "Ignition Reference Signal," could be caused by a defective camshaft reference signal or crankshaft timing sensor signal.
Code 43 is caused by low primary current in coil number 1, 2 or 3.
With the engine cranking, check the voltage from the orange wire to ground on the crankshaft timing sensor and the camshaft reference sensor.
Crankshaft timing and camshaft reference sensor terminals.
Over 7V is satisfactory.
If the voltage is less than specified, repeat the test with the voltmeter connected from PCM (powertrain control module) terminal 7 to ground.
If the voltage is satisfactory at terminal 7 but low at the sensor orange wire, repair the open circuit or high resistance in the orange wire.
If the voltage is low at terminal 7, the PCM may need replacement.
Be sure 12V are supplied to the PCM terminal 3 with the ignition switch off or on, and 12 V must be supplied to PCM terminal 9 with the ignition switch on.
Check PCM ground connections on terminals 11 and 12 before PCM replacement.
With the ignition switch on, check the voltage drop across the ground circuit (black/light blue wire) on the crankshaft timing sensor and the camshaft reference sensor.
A reading below 0.2V is satisfactory.
NOTE
When using a digital voltmeter to check a crankshaft or camshaft sensor signal, crank the engine a very small amount at a time and observe the voltmeter. The voltmeter reading should cycle from almost 0 volts to a highter voltage of about 5 volts. Since digital voltmeters do not react instantly, it is difficult to see the change in voltmeter reading if the engine is cranked continually.
If the readings in the previous two steps are satisfactory, connect a lab scope or digital voltmeter from the gray/black wire on the crankshaft timing sensor and the tan/yellow wire on the camshaft reference sensor to ground.
Lab scope patterns from the camshaft and crankshaft position sensors.
When the engine is cranking, a digital pattern should be displayed or the voltmeter should cycle between 0 and 5 volts.
If the voltage does not cycle, sensor replacement is required.
Each sensor voltage signal should cycle from low voltage to high voltage as the engine is cranked.
A no-start condition can occur if the PCM "locks up."
In step 2 above, if 0 volts is indicated the PCM may be faulty or it may be locked up.
If the PCM is locked up it will not store a fault code for the reason.
Basically, the PCM will lock up when it goes into a safeguard routine if the 9-volt or 5-volt reference voltage shorts to ground. This shuts down the PCM to protect it. Since it shuts down, no DTCs (Diagnostic trouble code) are stored.
The engine will not start as long as the ground is present. An intermittent ground will cause the engine to stop running.
Attempting to restart the engine without cycling the ignition switch to the full LOCK position will not start the engine, even if the ground is lifted.
Cycle the ignition switch to the LOCK position and wait about 5 to 10 seconds.
If the ground is lifted, the PCM will reset and the engine will start and run until the ground occurs again.
On 1996 and new SBEC III and JTEC engine controllers, there are two 5-volt reference signals. The sensors that require 5 volts are separated, thus If this signal shorts to ground the engine will still stop running, but for the first time a DTC can be set.
Also note, if the 9-volt reference voltage is opened, there will be no DTC stored for the crankshaft or camshaft positions sensors. With an open circuit the PCM cannot tell if the engine is cranking or not. The diagnostic routing does not begin until the PCM senses engine cranking.
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noresttill said:
Sometimes my jeep has a hard time starting. It will crank and crank but not turn over, however if I press the throttle (while cranking) it will turn over, until i let go of the throttle, at which point it shuts off.
Does this sound like the CPS too??
sorry bro gotta start your own thread
and you had better put what year your rig is..
if its a carburated model Im guessing your choke isnt working
It's a 2001 with only 57k.
