Dana 60 rear ?

[jeepme]

Anybody know what is the best doner vehicle for a 35 spline dana 60 rear in the 65" wms flavor would be.

Thanks

[yellowxj]

89 dodge 3/4 ton 2wd (ex-phone company truck-dont know if that makes a difference) is what my D60 rear came out of...bolt in...4.10's and drum brakes

[David Taylor]

89 dodge 3/4 ton 2wd (ex-phone company truck-dont know if that makes a difference) is what my D60 rear came out of...bolt in...4.10's and drum brakes
Did you pull shafts to see if was 35 spline ?

[yellowxj]

I guess it was??? I ordered a lockright for it and I think I just assumed it was a 35 spline...I can see if I can find the box for the lockright and get the numbers off it...then we can cross it over to find out how many splines....

[Kittrell]

The Dodge axle should be 31 splines. The only FF 60 that ever got the right DIA spindles for 35 spline shafts was a few years of Chevy one ton vans. What would be really helpful is if I could remember the years......... :laugh3:

Now if your not restricted to only a FF and have no problems running a SF 60. Then the 35 spline axles are plentiful. If you don't mind droping the coin to have the spindles bored out then a Dodge 60 would be your best bet. The Perch width is identical to an XJ. Here is one I built. Out of a '75 Dodge W200, 65" WMS, 31 Spline Shafts, 4.10s, Lincoln Locked, Disc Brakes, and JKS shock mounts.........sold it for $500. Completely bolt in for an XJ and some 16 year old kid bought it for his TJ.............:rolleyes:

http://community.webshots.com/album/229460712TGkpHs

[Dingo509]

something else to think about, Dana 70's all have 35 spline axles and can be gotten cheaper than a dana 60, yeah there bigger and you'll lose a little ground clearance, but i't kinda hard to break one.

Dingo

[yellowxj]

called the junk yard today to ask them to see what years dodge trucks interchange...should be all 3/4 ton 2wd from 76-90...IIRC...phone was breaking up so please double check...35 spline or 31 spline...I dont see my xj breaking the 60 anytime soon...some one was recently picking on my "wimpy" d60 late model dodge front...and yep...its probably the weakest d60 front...still stronger than the d30 it replaced...

[jeepme]

The Dodge axle should be 31 splines. The only FF 60 that ever got the right DIA spindles for 35 spline shafts was a few years of Chevy one ton vans. What would be really helpful is if I could remember the years......... :laugh3:

Now if your not restricted to only a FF and have no problems running a SF 60. Then the 35 spline axles are plentiful. If you don't mind droping the coin to have the spindles bored out then a Dodge 60 would be your best bet. The Perch width is identical to an XJ. Here is one I built. Out of a '75 Dodge W200, 65" WMS, 31 Spline Shafts, 4.10s, Lincoln Locked, Disc Brakes, and JKS shock mounts.........sold it for $500. Completely bolt in for an XJ and some 16 year old kid bought it for his TJ.............:rolleyes:

http://community.webshots.com/album/229460712TGkpHs


Didnt you have that posted up here also?? If it was I am still kicken myself for not buying that from ya :(

[jeepme]

Thanks for the info. So dodge D60's are 31 spline?? Someone told me they where all 30, how about late 70's ford 60's are they 31 also. I can get those real easy.

[rockwerks]

the ARB axle bible states:

all dodge axles where 30 spline except for

71-82 88-95 250 , 350 trucks front only it was the d60HD

dodge never had 31 spline or 35 spline rears in a dana 60 only in the dana 70 and 80 in dodge trucks

[Big Red]

Dana never made a 31 spline shaft only the Ford 8.8's and 9" came from the factory with 31 spline shafts, some with 28 splines. I think someone meant 30 or 35 spline for the dana 60.

[jeepme]

ok so I am not losing my mind. I didnt think there was a 31 spline D60. I guess I will stick with a 9 inch rear for the biuld up.

Thanks guys

[rockwerks]

ok so I am not losing my mind. I didnt think there was a 31 spline D60. I guess I will stick with a 9 inch rear for the biuld up.

Thanks guys

on the ford 9" most where 28 spline from factory

30 splines in full size where in 76-86 e100/150 and bronco and F100/150

all the rest where 28 spline

dana 60 for ford 35 spline came on 81 and up e250 vans, F250 pickups from 80-85 and F350 from mid 83 and up

for ford the cool axle was available in 95-96 in the F250 and E250 was a dana 60 32 spline full floater...tasty...arb makes a unit for these

[jeepme]

on the ford 9" most where 28 spline from factory

30 splines in full size where in 76-86 e100/150 and bronco and F100/150

all the rest where 28 spline

dana 60 for ford 35 spline came on 81 and up e250 vans, F250 pickups from 80-85 and F350 from mid 83 and up

for ford the cool axle was available in 95-96 in the F250 and E250 was a dana 60 32 spline full floater...tasty...arb makes a unit for these

Great info, thanks!!

[NCSUcherokee]

dana 60 for ford 35 spline came on 81 and up e250 vans, F250 pickups from 80-85 and F350 from mid 83 and up

Are these SF axles?

[rockwerks]

Are these SF axles?
yes semi float on those

[Kittrell]

Didnt you have that posted up here also?? If it was I am still kicken myself for not buying that from ya :(


Yes, it was on NAXJA for a few weeks. And I apologize for the brain fart, it had 30 spline shafts. Like everyone said Dana never made a 31 spline 60.......... :lecture:

[PeterBuilt]

Ever think about a 14 bolt. Disc brake kits are cheep as well as lockers. Little weaker than the 70 but stronger and cheeper than the 60. Just a suggestion. And the lowest that you can go is 5.13. Till next spring for the 5.38's

Pete

[rockwerks]

Ever think about a 14 bolt. Disc brake kits are cheep as well as lockers. Little weaker than the 70 but stronger and cheeper than the 60. Just a suggestion. And the lowest that you can go is 5.13. Till next spring for the 5.38's

Pete

the ring and pinion are stronger but the 14 bolt only has 33 spline axles stock and many 60's have 35 spline axles. Ill stick with the 60. Isnt the 14 bolt C clip also?

[Lawn Cher']

Isnt the 14 bolt C clip also?

Why would a full foating axle have c-clips? Let's think a little bit, kiddies.













Unless you meant the semi-floating version. In that case, I dunno. The neat thing about that axle however is you can get it in 6 or 5 lug variants to match a front end swap.

[rockwerks]

[QUOTE=Lawn Cher']Why would a full foating axle have c-clips? Let's think a little bit, kiddies.

[quOTE]

doh...my bad

[rockwerks]

Why would a full foating axle have c-clips? Let's think a little bit, kiddies.













Unless you meant the semi-floating version. In that case, I dunno. The neat thing about that axle however is you can get it in 6 or 5 lug variants to match a front end swap.


Only a small amount of chevy 14 bolts where full floaters even the 14 bolt in the H2 is a semi floater

30/3500 trucks, vans, suburbans where all semi float as where the 1500's series,

only a few 20/2500 series 82 and up. 4500-5700 LB l range trucks used full floaters according to the ARB bible

[David Taylor]

Only a small amount of chevy 14 bolts where full floaters even the 14 bolt in the H2 is a semi floater


Are you sure of this ?

[Mike L]

Only a small amount of chevy 14 bolts where full floaters even the 14 bolt in the H2 is a semi floater

30/3500 trucks, vans, suburbans where all semi float as where the 1500's series,

only a few 20/2500 series 82 and up. 4500-5700 LB l range trucks used full floaters according to the ARB bible

There are 2 types of 14 bolt rear ends. A full-float 14 bolt with a 10.5" ring gear And the semi-float 14 bolt with a 9.5" ring gear. The semi-float is c-clip from the factory.

-Mike

on the ford 9" most where 28 spline from factory

30 splines in full size where in 76-86 e100/150 and bronco and F100/150

all the rest where 28 spline



BTW- I think YOU meant 31 spline when you were talking about the Ford 9" rear.

[rockwerks]

There are 2 types of 14 bolt rear ends. A full-float 14 bolt with a 10.5" ring gear And the semi-float 14 bolt with a 9.5" ring gear. The semi-float is c-clip from the factory.

-Mike

BTW- I think YOU meant 31 spline when you were talking about the Ford 9" rear.


actually Mike all 14 bolts use a 9.5" ring gear, full float or semi float according to my ARB catalog which you?

[Lawn Cher']

Only a small amount of chevy 14 bolts where full floaters even the 14 bolt in the H2 is a semi floater

30/3500 trucks, vans, suburbans where all semi float as where the 1500's series,

only a few 20/2500 series 82 and up. 4500-5700 LB l range trucks used full floaters according to the ARB bible

Ummm, my '97 K2500 Sub has the FF 14 bolt. Anything diesel or big block has it, 3/4 or 1-ton. I'm not well versed on the newer-than-'99 trucks though.

[Mike L]

actually Mike all 14 bolts use a 9.5" ring gear, full float or semi float according to my ARB catalog which you?

Sorry but there AIN'T no fishing here...............

-Mike

[rockwerks]

Ummm, my '97 K2500 Sub has the FF 14 bolt. Anything diesel or big block has it, 3/4 or 1-ton. I'm not well versed on the newer-than-'99 trucks though.

the 99 and newer will be the same yours is a 2500 so it falls under their gudielines right?

[Lawn Cher']

the 99 and newer will be the same yours is a 2500 so it falls under their gudielines right?

The NBS (new body style) trucks use the AAM 14 bolt (11.5" ring gear, IIRC,) behind the 8.1 big block and the Duramax, which is different from the traditional one we are all used to. The older 14 bolt is retained behind the 6.0 liter, but I'm not sure if it is FF or SF. This is true for pickups & 3/4 ton Suburbans.

[rockwerks]

The NBS (new body style) trucks use the AAM 14 bolt (11.5" ring gear, IIRC,) behind the 8.1 big block and the Duramax, which is different from the traditional one we are all used to. The older 14 bolt is retained behind the 6.0 liter, but I'm not sure if it is FF or SF. This is true for pickups & 3/4 ton Suburbans.

my catalog is from 99...maye time to get a new one huh?

[Lawn Cher']

my catalog is from 99...maye time to get a new one huh?

Yeah.

[CRASH]

my catalog is from 99...maye time to get a new one huh?


The age of your catalogue is not a problem. There have been two 14 bolts since the early 80s. One with a 9.5" ring gear, 33 spline axles and semifloat. The other with a 10.5" gear, 1.5" shafts and full float.

Lockers and gears are not interchangeable at all.

ARB does not make a locker for the larger axle, which is why it's not in your catalogue. Should be out soon, though.

[XJoachim]

Yep, 2 versions of 14 bolt axles, the 9.5" ring gear axle is usually called the 14P (Passenger), the full float 14 bolt with the 10.5" ring gear usually is called the 14T (Truck) and can be found in all those Ex-Army Chevy 1-ton trucks and they have a detroit with 4.56 gears. Those are completely different axles and they have nothing in common except the number of cover bolts.

[VegasAnthony]

Are these SF axles?
this is what I came up with

DRW, Pickup, (exc body code F37 & F38), 3.54 ratio
DRW, Pickup, (exc body code F37 & F38), 3.73 ratio
DRW, Pickup, (exc body code F37 & F38), 4.10 ratio
DRW, Pickup, (exc body code F37 & F38), 4.56 ratio
DRW, Cab and chassis, (body code F37 & F38), 9100-10000 GVW, 3.54 ratio
DRW, Cab and chassis, (body code F37 & F38), 11000 GVW (4.10 ratio)
DRW, Cab and chassis, (body code F37 & F38), 9100-10000 GVW, 3.73 ratio
DRW, Cab and chassis, (body code F37 & F38), 9100-10000 GVW, 4.10 ratio
DRW, Cab and chassis, (body code F37 & F38), 9100-10000 GVW, 4.56 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 61-1, Cab and chassis, 3.54 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 61-1, Cab and chassis, 3.73 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 61-1, Cab and chassis, 4.10 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 61-1, Cab and chassis, 4.56 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 61-1, Pickup, 3.07 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 61-1, Pickup, 3.54 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 61-1, Pickup, 3.73 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 61-1, Pickup, 4.10 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 61-1, Pickup, 4.56 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 70-U, Pickup, 3.54 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 70-U, Pickup, 3.73 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 70-U, Pickup, 4.10 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 70-U, Pickup, 4.56 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 70-U, Cab and chassis, 3.54 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 70-U, Cab and chassis, 3.73 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 70-U, Cab and chassis, 4.10 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 70-U, Cab and chassis, 4.56 ratio
SRW, semi-floating (Spicer 60-U), 3.54 ratio
SRW, semi-floating (Spicer 60-U), 3.73 ratio
SRW, semi-floating (Spicer 60-U), 4.10 ratio

also is this what i would be looking for ? seems too cheap \
then again im not sure what a d60 goes for
1986
Rear Axle
Ford Van E250, full-fltng- YELLOW 4907 $200 James Auto Wreckers USA-CA(Antelope) E-mail 1-916-725-2171

[turdles]

this is what I came up with

DRW, Pickup, (exc body code F37 & F38), 3.54 ratio
DRW, Pickup, (exc body code F37 & F38), 3.73 ratio
DRW, Pickup, (exc body code F37 & F38), 4.10 ratio
DRW, Pickup, (exc body code F37 & F38), 4.56 ratio
DRW, Cab and chassis, (body code F37 & F38), 9100-10000 GVW, 3.54 ratio
DRW, Cab and chassis, (body code F37 & F38), 11000 GVW (4.10 ratio)
DRW, Cab and chassis, (body code F37 & F38), 9100-10000 GVW, 3.73 ratio
DRW, Cab and chassis, (body code F37 & F38), 9100-10000 GVW, 4.10 ratio
DRW, Cab and chassis, (body code F37 & F38), 9100-10000 GVW, 4.56 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 61-1, Cab and chassis, 3.54 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 61-1, Cab and chassis, 3.73 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 61-1, Cab and chassis, 4.10 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 61-1, Cab and chassis, 4.56 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 61-1, Pickup, 3.07 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 61-1, Pickup, 3.54 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 61-1, Pickup, 3.73 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 61-1, Pickup, 4.10 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 61-1, Pickup, 4.56 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 70-U, Pickup, 3.54 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 70-U, Pickup, 3.73 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 70-U, Pickup, 4.10 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 70-U, Pickup, 4.56 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 70-U, Cab and chassis, 3.54 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 70-U, Cab and chassis, 3.73 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 70-U, Cab and chassis, 4.10 ratio
SRW, full-floating, Spicer 70-U, Cab and chassis, 4.56 ratio
SRW, semi-floating (Spicer 60-U), 3.54 ratio
SRW, semi-floating (Spicer 60-U), 3.73 ratio
SRW, semi-floating (Spicer 60-U), 4.10 ratio

also is this what i would be looking for ? seems too cheap \
then again im not sure what a d60 goes for
1986
Rear Axle
Ford Van E250, full-fltng- YELLOW 4907 $200 James Auto Wreckers USA-CA(Antelope) E-mail 1-916-725-2171


Thats about right for a rear 60, the front is what kills you

[xjj33p3r]

What kind of support is needed to run a d60 rear? Yea that one dodge d60 is the exact width needed, but what kind of reinforcement is needed on the spring attachment points?

[turdles]

What kind of support is needed to run a d60 rear? Yea that one dodge d60 is the exact width needed, but what kind of reinforcement is needed on the spring attachment points?


I am about to do a 60 front/rear swap and will run 38s. With this i will making a internal cage that will tie into the frame rails to stiffen it up and then i will sleeve the sections where the cage ties in to the frame and the leaf brackets will come off and i will sleeve there also. untill i move to 42s the entire frame will not be sleeved but sections of it where most stress will occur. it mainly depends on what size tires you are running as to how much stress will be put on the frame.

I believe TNT customs makes a good xj sleeving kit you might want to look into that if you arn't into making your own...http://www.tntcustoms.com/webv2/default.asp#