RD 21 on Sunday the 5th?

[4ward]

Any of you midwesterners or CO folk interested in this? We could run it all day and then head over to Moab around 5-6 pm. It's only a few minutes off I70 and it's a fun slightly technical trail.


Since I've pretty much got the folks hooked on the wheelin' scene, I'm trying to give them as diverse an experience as possible. So far they've been to Moab, Carnage Canyon (Boulder), Paragon, and in 2 weeks I'll have 'em in Tellico. Sounds like it's time for a family trip to CA:D

Sean

[CHW]

I’m not from the Midwest or CO, so maybe I’m not invited, but I might be willing to come up and run it with you. I think it’s about an hour and a half from Moab, correct?

[4ward]

Well, I suppose I could open the invite to everyone :rolleyes:

It typically takes me about 2 hours to get there from Junction, but I'm always towing.

Sean

[Fore Wheeler]

I might be, I'll talk to you in TN bout it, I don't know when we're going to be passing through that area.

[wallysheata]

I live in Grand Junction where 21 rd is and have done it a few times. I'd be willing to hit along with quite a few other jeepers out here if you guys want to run it on either Sun the 5th or the sun after NAXJA, but i do the 8-5 mon-fri thing so i won't be able to join ya if you do it on a mon, tues or wed.



Wally

[4ward]

Well, if I wasn't such a barkeater, I would've put the correct date down. I meant for it to be Sun. the 5th :doh: I'll contact the moderator and see if I can get the title changed. The only day I plan on missing for this event is going to be the last day.

Sean

[mbryson]

Hmmmmm........that's kind of the long way home, but I may be in. After seeing Brent's Cheromanche rocker though, :D

[YELLAHEEP]

Oh man would I!!! I've wanted to run that trail for a long time. I dunno if we can get going early enough though. I have been trying to organize a convoy of Colorado folks to drive together to Moab on Sunday the 5th. I think Crunch, BLoose, Dave Peters and possibly Eshel will be included in this convoy. I was thinking we wouldn't realistically get out of town until 10 am though. I doubt we could make it up to 21 RD with enough time to join you.

My other concern is that I will be leading Steel Bender on Tuesday and I don't wanna risk breakage before then.

Jeez, what to do - what to do..........

[4ward]

Well, Crunch was talking about running it with me at Tellico. Why can't you guys get your act together and head over Sat. night and camp out? You live 4.5 hrs. away and you've never done this trail :rolleyes: How many more excuses can you come up with? Are you not going to run on Mon. either so as not to risk damage? How long do you think it would take us to fix your broken in half heep anyhow :D

I guess I'm gonna have to start hangin' with the west coast contingent, at least they run their own trails :firedevil

Sean

[Jes]

Hmmm... do you want me to come a day or two early, travel the extra hour and come out there to Grand Junction to show ya how it's done? :)
I even know the way out of the back side of the trail without getting lost! :D

Jes

[Scott Mac.]

Hey Sean , Dan and I should be able to make it to Grand Juncion on Sunday.

Post the the exit # with the time and place to meet.

[Goatman]

Originally posted by OneTonXJ

I guess I'm gonna have to start hangin' with the west coast contingent, at least they run their own trails :firedevil

Sean

And everyone else's trails, too. :D :D

Sean, it must be something about Sunday. CO XJ'ers just don't run 21 Rd on Sunday. ;) :D

[YELLAHEEP]

Well Sean, I have no good response to your accusations. Guilty as charged! It really should be a crime for a Coloradan to have more 'wheeling time in Moab than in Colorado. I'll work on the wife and see if she'd be game to leave earlier. Gotta see if the neighbors will watch the animals for an extra day too. Maybe BLoose can leave a bit earlier too and join us. I have a feeling that if Dave Peters is in town he'd like to run 21 Rd as well. I'll do what I can to get there!

BTW, I have no doubt the group could get my junk fixed if it did break -- dunno why I'm so worried. Got a trailer and tow rig...... I think I'm just concerned about running 2 solid lockers and 35's. I have visions of my D30 blowing up and I'd be out of commission for the rest of the event. I recently welded the tubes to the housing, trussed it up and reinforced the right UCA mount. I'll have 297's installed too. Whaddya think?

Guess I just need to get out and 'wheel more often to put my concerns to rest!

[Goatman]

Troy, plenty of people are running 35's on D30's, just be careful to not get the front tires in a bind, and if you're up against something be real easy on the gas. If you haven't put the 297x shafts in yet, go ahead an replace the c-clips with snap rings, then you should be in real good shape. You'll still have the smaller u-joint shafts for spares, right?

If you're afraid of breaking something, put the 33's back on. :D :D

[Crunch]

Hey Troy,

I'm taking those 297 shafts out tomorrow (Monday), and will give a call when to hook up.

I'm gonna call Slickrock and see if I can get my camp sight a couple of days earlier for this 21 road run. If so, I have to try to get my parents to change their minds about coming to see me on those dates.

Gotta wheel like a left coaster.... often and everywhere.

Do those guys have jobs? :D

Crunch

[Jes]

Originally posted by Crunch
Gotta wheel like a left coaster.... often and everywhere.

Do those guys have jobs? :D

Crunch

Yes, and it's getting in the way of my wheeling trips! :D

Jes

[YELLAHEEP]

Richard,

Yeah, I hear ya. I've seen lots of guys running the same setup I have and without much problem. I believe that 21 Rd will be the hardest trail I will have ever run and so I don't have much experience with my new setup to base a decision with. I have a very good set of 260 spares ready with the caps spot welded. I was planning on spot welding the caps on the 297's when I get them but, if someone will let me know where to find the snap rings, I'll definitely install those as well. I'm assuming one wouldn't want to spot weld AND snap ring? If I had a set of 33's I prolly would take them along - never had 33's - but it's 35's or nuthin'.

Shari is on board for leaving early too, so I guess I'll have to man-up and get my junk out there to run it with Sean's group!

[4ward]

Well, the snap rings are supposedly a metric one. Richard knows the part # for them. I run 1" snap rings on mine and thought they fit fine.

Well, I'm glad to hear you are gonna pony up and get and run. We should be able to get a decent group together. The cool thing about that trail is you can make it as hard or easy as you want to. At least, that's the way it was when I ran it. We even had a welding truck come tooling down the road next to the wash and fix a couple of us, talk about slick.

[Crunch]

Sean said, "the cool thing about that trail is you can make it as hard or easy as you want" :D :D :D :D

Yeah right :D :D While Sean is around, it's real hard to take the easy line because he wants your junk on the same line his junk takes :D :D :D . Good thing is he is right there for the spot with the welding helmet in one hand and a big rock in the other.

Some of us need a little coaxing from time to time ;) . I don't need much, but when I do, Sean is right there with it.

Some of us are just more fun than others...RIGHT?? :D

Is it too early to start a "Things to be finished before Moab" thread? It might help people remember how little time there is to get things like front suspension redesigns and 1/4 eliptic rears and D60 installs completed.

Chomping at the bit,
Crunch

[4ward]

Too little of time, what are you talking about? I've got 3 ring gears at the grinder's right now, shoulda had 'em back. I need to call the guy tomorrow.

Mike, actually I've never brought a welding helmet. Two pairs of sunglasses works really well though :D

[Kudzu]

Well we paln on meting you guys there...Will have our Rigs and the Give-Away...and NO...if you break you can not drive the Give-away...Dan...

[4ward]

What if we don't want to break, can we drive the give away instead :D

The more the merrier, we can get through this trail semi quickly if everyone stays in one piece. If we are having massive breakage, we can get off the trail pretty easily and quickly also. That's why I suggested this one as a "warm up" for Moab. We aren't stuck in the backcountry of CO with no way of getting folks back to the trailer and on to the campground.

[Goatman]

Troy, you can either weld the caps or install snap rings, but you don't need both.

There is a nice campground in Fruita, I think it's the next off ramp past the turn off to 21 Rd. We stayed there for BOTW2. They also have sopme cabins. It would be a good place to stay on Sat night if you're going to run 21 Rd on Sunday. It should be no problem getting to Moab Sunday evening, unless someone breaks something late in the day and you go out the top and get lost rather than driving back down the canyon. :rolleyes:

Fruita Monument R V Park
607 Hwy 340 Fruita CO 81521-9520
970-858-3155

[YELLAHEEP]

Where can I pull up a map of how to get to 21 Rd.? I'd like to see where it is in relation to Grand Junction. This year, Shari and I are gonna do the hotel thing in Moab 'cuz this is likely the only vacation we'll have this year and we decided not to rough - it. So, we'd be best to find a hotel near 21 Rd so we don't have to haul camping stuff for one night.

If anyone knows the size of snap rings I'd need, please pass it along, those are probably easier to remove than a spot weld when on the trail.

[mbryson]

Originally posted by YELLAHEEP
......................If anyone knows the size of snap rings I'd need, please pass it along, those are probably easier to remove than a spot weld when on the trail.


I took a spare joint, pulled the cap, put my snap ring pliers in my pocket and walked into my local hardware store until I found what I wanted..........Sorry, I don't remember a measurement........

[4ward]

Well, you get off at Rd. 23 and head west on the frontage road until you hit Rd. 21 and turn right. It's right there in junction. I would say any hotel in town would suit you just fine. I do seem to remember a holiday in at the next exit though. Rd. 18 or 19 exit maybe?

[wallysheata]

Well, i just got done talking to a couple of Local Wheelers here and they're gonna join us on 21 Rd that Sun. They're finishing up 2 of their comeptioin Rock Buggies ahd hope to have them ready to run 21rd with us, if not they've got some old Cj's that they'll bring. I did it with them last time and we made it all the way over the top and drove out the long gravel way up on the mesa.

As for a meeting place, i'd suggest the Acorn Conoco just south of I-70 on exit #26. That is usually were we meet up and then it's a short drive down the frontage road to 21 road where you make a right and take it all the way back to the canyon. For refernce exit number 26 is actually 22 Rd, so you just go 1 mile west on the north frontage road there which is called hwy 6/50 and you'll see 21rd on your right.


Keep me posted, i've got an extra bedroom at my place if some one needs a place to crash Sat or Sun night before Moab, and I'm hooked up good with the local 4x4 shop here incase anything major breaks, we can drag it back there and have it up on the trail with in a day. They've got everything you could think of in a fabrication shop. If you want to do the work yourself in the shop they charge about $20 an hour or LOTS OF BEER :D Otherwise it's $50 an hour for their labor rate.





Wally

[4ward]

Wally, let's meet up the road a ways. I can't get the motorhome into that conco, it's way too small from what I remember. We'll just meet about halfway between the frontage and the canyon on Rd. 21 in one of those huge ass flats next to the hill climbs.

[wallysheata]

Sean, there's a BIG parking area on 21 rd heading up towards the trail. There is a sign that says "21rd OHV/recreation area" we can all meet there it's on the right hand side of 21 rd. I believe it is right around the area where the pavement ends and it becomes a gravel road. If you pass the big Gas plant on your left youv'e gone to far. Why don't we say we'll meet there at 10:00am, Sunday oct 5th.


If you have any questions on how to get there, look at my post above, but basically, get off at exit #26, head north from the highway on the main road, hwy 6/50 and go down about a mile to 21 road and make a right. Go about 5 or so miles till the road turns to gravel and the OHV parking area is on your right.




Wally

[Goatman]

I shouldn't butt in here, because I'll be driving to Moab from the west that day, but.........

You might consider starting earlier than 10:00, since everyone still needs to drive to Moab after running the trail that day. Anyone coming from a distance away needs to be there the night before anyway, and I'm sure would prefer an earlier start.

[4ward]

10 is WAY too late. I'm thinkin' more like 8:30, that puts us out there by 9. Someone will be broken by 9:30 and then the fun will begin. I want to be off the trail by 5 pm so that we can be in the campground long before 8 pm. It sucks trying to manuever the box around a campground at night.

I figure we'll see how far we've made it by 1 pm. We'll either turn around if we've been having problems or we'll head on cuz we're almost done.

[4ward]

Alright, I wanna get a list going of folks. Here is who I have so far:

The Kevin/ Heather/ Woody/ Karen clan
The yellaheep clan
Crunch
Some Wheeler and stragglers including Scott and Steph I assume
CHW
Wallysheata and buddies
Jes hopefully (you can make it ya big lug)

Any more takers, this sounds like the perfect group of experienced wheelers to have a good semi quick run for the day.

[Jes]

I'll try my best to make it out there. If I do I'll be dragging CRASH along as well.

Jes

[Bones]

Going to try to make it also.

Bones :skull1:

[4ward]

Bones, I don't have enough room on the trailer to pull both of us to Moab :D

[AzRick]

Hey Sean, we might be there for Sunday. We are driving up to Moab on Saturday, and were planning on going to Grand Junction to see some of Vanda's family on Sunday. I sure as hell don't want to hang out with the outlaws...er, I mean in-laws. Sounds like a good reason to wheel.

If I can make it, I'll probably have my friend Joe with me.

Put me down for a definite maybe :)

Rick

[4ward]

Well this is turning into quite the nationwide trail ride. We've got OH, MI, AL, NC, CO, CA, AZ (maybe), WI (maybe), and I can't remember which of those goofy eastern states CHW is from.

[Scott Mac.]

The eastcoasts answer to California is New Jersey.

Is that goofy enough for you?:D

[Mike in NJ]

No, CHW is from Pennsyltucky (across the river). And please, Jersey may be many things, but Kalifornia Dreamin' ain't one of them. The Mob is much more organized than the Hollywood crowd could ever hope to be.

So, how'd the Red Wings do THIS year? :D

Mike in NJ :patriot:

[Scott Mac.]

Not as good as they will this year with Hatcher is in the lineup, the crybaby off to wherever and Hasek back in the net.:cheers:

[4ward]

I kinda forgot about the picnic table mechanic from MO too.

I want to clear a little something up for everybody, just so they know what I'm thinking. I'm/ We're not doing the entire trail. Droping in at the earliest spot is fun, but very time consuming. I'm heading on up the access road to where the big rocks are. This is way too fun of a section for me to be passing up since I'm driving right by it. I want to do some technical boulder crawling before hitting the not so slick slickrock. I really don't want to be out there all day as I do want to get on over to Moab as early as possible while still having fun with a great group of wheelers on some CO turf.

Oh, and we won't talk about how bad the Red Wings suck either :firedevil

Sean

[Jes]

Ya, all the good stuff is up at about half way(?) and beyond. In may we made the mistake(because no locals showed up to show us) of dropping in right away. While there was a cool section or two it was mainly just bumpy and slow going.

Jes

[wallysheata]

This is SOMEWHAT embarassing, but i just sold the XJ:rolleyes: However, i'm still planningon heading to NAXJA and driving a buddies XJ (the guy has 2 lifted xj's). I would still like to do 21 road with ya guys, however i'm ina YJ, so not sure if you're interested in a cheerleader tagging along with ya :)



Wally

[4ward]

Bring it out, I don't care what's out there as long as we're having fun.

Sean

[Jes]

This is still on right? I think I've convinced CRASH to drag his junk out there with me. What exit do I take in Grand Junction to get to 21RD.? I know it's on the east side of 70 but when I was there in May we got a little lost getting to the trailhead and took the long route to get there. ;)
Exact directions would be dandy. :D
Thanks.

Jes

[4ward]

For refernce exit number 26 is actually 22 Rd, so you just go 1 mile west on the north frontage road there which is called hwy 6/50 and you'll see 21rd on your right.

Sean, there's a BIG parking area on 21 rd heading up towards the trail. There is a sign that says "21rd OHV/recreation area" we can all meet there it's on the right hand side of 21 rd. I believe it is right around the area where the pavement ends and it becomes a gravel road. If you pass the big Gas plant on your left youv'e gone to far.

Pulled from 2 threads on the previous page for ya Jes. Probably shoulda just told ya to search. Don't worry, I've already had the CO folks asking me how to get there backchannel :rolleyes: :D

Oh yeah, IT'S AWN BABY :firedevil

Meeting at 8:30 at the BIG parking area.

[YELLAHEEP]

Quote: "Don't worry, I've already had the CO folks asking me how to get there backchannel"

Kiss my :moon: Sean! :D You better hope you never have to move back here! Yer :flame: some bridges! :laugh:

Seriously though, I'm really looking forward to this run! Can't wait to mix it up with the rest of you all on the Colorado Rocks!

[4ward]

Well Troy, if the shoe fits.........

I'm looking forward to the day that I HAVE to move back out west, cuz I want to move back everyday of my life.

Sean

[Beezil]

where is rd 21 and how do i get there.....

I'm coming from the east.

thank you.

[Jes]

Originally posted by OneTonXJ
Pulled from 2 threads on the previous page for ya Jes. Probably shoulda just told ya to search.

MML. :rolleyes: ;)


Beezil, it's in Grand Junction Colorado on I70.


Jes

[Fore Wheeler]

Can we pull the bus in Sat night and sleep in the parking lot/meet area??? :speepin:

Sean, when will you be pullin in??

Scott Mac, can we make it there by Sat night?? :eyes:

Heather, I'm going to win the give away, so it's not a problem to let me drive it here. :party1:

Woody's commin? Cool, got new tires?

And why does everyone expect me to break?? :dunno:

[Kudzu]

I hope we can cause we should be hitting GJ late Sat afternoon.

Too bad, I will not have the the Give-Away with me.

Woody's riding with us....

And because that's because you always do.

[Fore Wheeler]

Originally posted by Kudzu


And because that's because you always do.

That hurts.

[4ward]

We'll be pulling in Sat. evening. I plan on sleeping in the parking area or just down the road since I believe it's BLM land anyhow. The folks may overide that decision and make me pay for a campsite somewhere. I doubt it though.

[wallysheata]

Hey all, just did 21 road this weekend and with all the heavy rains we've had lately, the road has become impassible up top. I'm sure if we had some rock buggies and a few winches, we could move some of the larger rocks but it went from flat our knarly to no dice this weekend. Every group that went up turned around by toyota rock and most of those rigs were all on 37's locked front and rear with the usual goodies.

Check out Fatwrecks web site for some pics. www.projectxj.com
go to the trail run section and look at the pics of 21 road.


Wally

[Scott Mac.]

Originally posted by Fore Wheeler
Can we pull the bus in Sat night and sleep in the parking lot/meet area??? :speepin:

Sean, when will you be pullin in??

Scott Mac, can we make it there by Sat night?? :eyes:




Get a keg of Mt. Dew and a case of NoDoze and we'll make it there Saturday morning.:wow:

And it'd probably be a good idea if we leave the twister at home.

[Fore Wheeler]

Originally posted by Scott Mac.

And it'd probably be a good idea if we leave the twister at home. [/B]


Not a chance.

did you tell steph?? that was going to be my surprise for her, that and a warm bottle of baby oil.

[Scott Mac.]

Originally posted by Fore Wheeler
Not a chance.

did you tell steph?? that was going to be my surprise for her, that and a warm bottle of baby oil.

Nope, I was saving that surprise for when we pulled into Denver. Thanks for thinking of Ange, Steph and I as you drive through the mountains. :moon:

[4ward]

Wally, I'm bettin' that by the time we get there it will be doable again. Besides, that makes it all the more worthwhile to me if it's turned super gnarly. I won't be passing up the opportunity to hit that trail when it's at its hardest. Maybe an XJ thingy will reopen RD 21 :D

[brent]

Originally posted by mbryson
Hmmmmm........that's kind of the long way home, but I may be in. After seeing Brent's Cheromanche rocker though, :D
there is a bypas for that obsticle, infact only two of us did take that line. me, and minnie me (yellow)











I was even nice enough to let him go first ;)

[4ward]

I'm putting out a tentative no show for me on this trail. I'm having vendor issues and don't know if I'll have my parts in time to leave and make it. This blows.

Sean

[Beezil]

DON'T EVEN TELL ME you haven't gotten your hardware yet!!????


man, I hope that is not the case.....

can't anyone ship anything on time anymore?

[CRASH]

Dear Gawd, do I have to pay a visit to Roggy's shop for you?

Oh, wait, nevermind, I just remembered how big Bob is.

I'm ready to do this trail if everyone else is. Jes and I will roll into GJ on Saturday afternoon.

CRASH

[4ward]

Please don't call off runnin' this trail on my account, it's quite fun and well worth it. There's a slim chance that I'll just roll in behind you too.

Those a-holes won't even give me a tracking #, what's that tell you?

[CRASH]

Cripes. What do you need, exactly?

I can bring it from their shop, if you get desperate. They are only 30 minutes south of me.

CRASH

[Beezil]

don't mean to answer for you ton, but I saw the post and figured it *might* halp....probably not.

ton doesn't have ANY of his bilstein hardware......

I placed my order with them same time he did (for different stuff) while I had my own problems getting my stuff outta there, it doesn't compare to the run-around ton is getting.

if you think you can help, cool, but I don't think they actually HAVE stock......

"we have it in stock" and "bilstien carries stock for us" are two fawkin different things.......

that's the cause of both our problems.

[CRASH]

i knw they stock SOME Bilstein stuff, llike basic lengths of 5100 series shocks, but if its not a 10,12,14 or 16 inch length shock with QA1 ends on them, they don't stock it.

Can you have Bilstein overnight it? How special is the stuff? Coilovers? Can you cancel and get it overnight from someone who actually does stock it (maybe Campbell Enterprises?) Campbell is right on my way to Utah........

CRASH

[4ward]

It'll be here tomorrow, got a # directly from the bilstien rep that did most of the screwing up. I may or may not be there for 21, it's all mental and how much sleep I want to miss out on now.

[motorman]

I am still planning on camping out in the parking lot on Sat. night. Hope to hook up with everyone Sunday am.

I am leaving NC Wed. am. Working in Memphis on Thursday. Should be out ahead of the Kudzu/St. Louis crowd on Friday.

Soloing it, so looking to pick up a passenger out of another vehicle for some visitation, possibly a driver.

See you on the road. I will be on Channel 4

[Bones]

I am also putting a probably won't make 21 road notice out. If I'm there I'm there but don't anyone wait (like you would have anyway :rolleyes: )

Mrs. Bones and I are probably going the more scenic southern route to pick up a trail or two in CO if the snow isn't too deep.

Bones :skull1:

[Goatman]

Originally posted by CRASH
Dear Gawd, do I have to pay a visit to Roggy's shop for you?

Oh, wait, nevermind, I just remembered how big Bob is.

I'm ready to do this trail if everyone else is. Jes and I will roll into GJ on Saturday afternoon.

CRASH

Damn, I hate to bring this up (yeah, right), but this smacks of another Sunday 21 Rd run that some nameless people missed because they couldn't get there rigs ready in time. Andy, I hope you and Jes and the others that can make it have a good time.

Sean, relax man. Don't be under too much pressure. :D :D

[wallysheata]

Well, I'm still planning on making it, however....having issues with the YJ, i'm going to try and get everyting done sat but we'll see. I need to replace the radiator, water pump, thermostat, Front axle, spark plugs, fuel filter and the vacume switch on the T-case before I hit moab. Most importantly, i need to get that vacume switch and the fuel filter/spark plugs, because right now the 4wd will not stay engaged and it's sputtering at low speeds.

Regardless, I'll be there, and will just tag along shotgun with someone if i can't get it working by sunday morning.

So what's the FINAL time, 9:00am at the trail head?


Wally