Trail schedule

[Led]

Here is the trail schedule.It is not set in stone so please don't whine. We can add ans subtract trails as needed.
Sun Mine Sweeper and Left fender, 8 ?, TL-Led
Mt Princeton , 4 , TL-???
Mon Indy , 10 , TL-Led
Hayden Pass , 3 , TL-???
Tue Wheeler lake ,7 , TL-Troy
Pomeroy lake ,5 , TL-???
Wen Grizzly lake ,7 , TL-Led
Iron Chest ,8 ,TL-Bob
Thu Holy Cross overnighter ,8/9 , TL-Troy
Tincup,tomichi,hancock ,4 , TL-???
Fri Holy Cross overnighter ,8/9 , TL-Troy
Mt Antero ,5 ,TL-???
Sat Carnage Gulch ,10 ,TL-Led
Chinamens ,8 ,TL-???
Saturday night will be a party and the raffle. Please post up if you can lead any of the trails with ???
Led

[YELLAHEEP]

Led, I fixed it for ya... (kinda hard to read before). :laugh3:


Here is the trail schedule.It is not set in stone so please don't whine. We can add ans subtract trails as needed. The number listed after the trail name is it's trail rating based on a 1-10 difficulty range - 10 being most difficult.

Sunday:
Mine Sweeper and Left fender, 8 ?, TL-Led
Mt Princeton , 4 , TL-???

Monday:
Indy , 10 , TL-Led
Hayden Pass , 3 , TL-Scott Hayden

Tuesday:
Wheeler lake ,7 , TL-Troy
Pomeroy lake ,5 , TL-???

Wednesday:
Grizzly lake ,7 , TL-Led
Iron Chest ,8 ,TL-Bob

Thursday:
Holy Cross overnighter ,8/9 , TL-Troy *See my post*
Tincup,tomichi,hancock ,4 , TL-???

Friday:
Holy Cross overnighter ,8/9 , TL-Troy
Mt Antero ,5 ,TL-???

Saturday:
Carnage Gulch ,10 ,TL-Led
Chinamens ,8 ,TL-Brian

Saturday night will be a party and the raffle. Please post up if you can lead any of the trails with ???
Led

[MMIXJ]

thanks troy... much better. :)

[Led]

Thats not what it looked like when I typed it :mad: I hate computers

[hightimes2]

are winches going to be required to run indy and carnge?

[Led]

If you can talk the person in font of you into turning around then no.Both trails have winch only exits for the most part.

[fatwreck]

I can probably lead chinamans on saturday if you guys need someone.

Let me know.

Brian
www.projectxj.com

[hightimes2]

If you can talk the person in font of you into turning around then no.Both trails have winch only exits for the most part.

thanks for the reply. I need to do some sort of rocker protection before I run these trails which should be done before COfest and I'll see if I can get a winch by than too I guess

[hjeepxj]

Sounds like a darn good schedule...Id offer to lead, but I dont have to aweful much experience in that neck of the woods.

[Rock Yacht]

Monday:
Indy , 10 , TL-Led
Hayden Pass , 3 , TL-???

Anyone up for being adventurous? Been something I've wanted to do for years and never have. LED if it's ok with you and the organizers can we swap out the Hayden Pass (3 rating) trail for the Half Moon Creek (7 rating) trail. If so I can lead, if people don't mind following blindly ;) Trail head is about 4-5 miles south of Leadville off of HWY24 or about 25 miles north of BV. S'pose to be some really good mine "ruins" up there and some decent wheeling along the last part of the trail with a decent creek crossing. Be a good day of follow the leader or "that guys lost again" :)

Tuesday:
Wheeler lake ,7 , TL-Troy
Pomeroy lake ,5 , TL-???

LED I can take the Pomeroy Lake trail if no one else wants it. Another trail on my todo list (read I haven't been there yet) ;)

Bob

[Scott Hayden]

LED - In the event you still want to do the Hayden Pass run, I wouldn't mind being involved. This is named after my grandfather, I have driven it several times. Just joined the NAXJA, have been doing Colo all my life, don't know how much time I can take off for that week, but certainly would book the day for driving the old family pass. Scott hayden

[formatt]

Tuesday:
Wheeler lake ,7 , TL-Troy
Pomeroy lake ,5 , TL-???

LED I can take the Pomeroy Lake trail if no one else wants it. Another trail on my todo list (read I haven't been there yet) ;)

Bob

I've been up to Pomeroy a bunch of times.. easy but the views are absolutely amazing. i LOVE the fishing up there... probably one of my favorite places. I can't believe that's listed as a 5.. other than one 50' +/- long spot with loose dirt, it's a piece of cake.

I was actually considering camping up there. it'll be cold and windy as hell but... i can buck up. ;)

[Idiot Wind]

LED - In the event you still want to do the Hayden Pass run, I wouldn't mind being involved. This is named after my grandfather, I have driven it several times. Just joined the NAXJA, have been doing Colo all my life, don't know how much time I can take off for that week, but certainly would book the day for driving the old family pass. Scott hayden
Wow, that is cool! I hope the run does stand and you can be involved, I would love to hear the story behind it all.

[Rock Yacht]

LED - In the event you still want to do the Hayden Pass run, I wouldn't mind being involved. This is named after my grandfather, I have driven it several times. Just joined the NAXJA, have been doing Colo all my life, don't know how much time I can take off for that week, but certainly would book the day for driving the old family pass. Scott hayden

Sounds like the right guy for the right job don't you think LED? Who better to lead the trail than a guy (family) it's named after. LED we don't have to swap out Hayden Pass just a suggestion, maybe add Half Moon if anyone is feeling adveturous (read doesn't mind getting lost, haha)

Bob

[The_Rock]

I can't hang out on Saturday for Chinamans but I running it on Friday July 29th. If some one wants to pre-run the trail so they can offer up to Led to be a trail leader you can join us on the 29th. I planning on staying the night in that area and possible running Iron Chest Saturday morning. I have some friends in town from the East cost that want to go wheeling.

[JEONLYEP]

LED we don't have to swap out Hayden Pass just a suggestion, maybe add Half Moon if anyone is feeling adveturous (read doesn't mind getting lost, haha)

Bob
Who brought Grant into this conversation?

:laugh3: :laugh3: :laugh3:

Daryl

[Crunch]

Just as I thought, I'll only be able to make Saturday. Luckily it will be for the trail I most want to run. Sweet, I have to visit this place more often.

Looking forward to some Carnage. Wow, I have a little work to do. :laugh3:

See ya soon,

Crunch

[MMIXJ]

so led, since you said this schedule wasn't set in stone, ;) any chance we could swap indy with
either wheeler or grizzly (that is, run indy tues or weds instead of mon)?

a selfish request, but i will likely come out late monday night or early tuesday and was hoping
to attempt indy (at least liberty/freedom) since i've never done it before and would appreciate
having folks like you there as a trail leader for my first time... :D

would this change mess up anybody else's plans?

terry
:cheers:

[Rock Yacht]

so led, since you said this schedule wasn't set in stone, ;) any chance we could swap indy with
either wheeler or grizzly (that is, run indy tues or weds instead of mon)?

would this change mess up anybody else's plans?

terry
:cheers:

I'd like to see that! Such nice sheet metal to sacrifice. :laugh:

Bob

[Led]

so led, since you said this schedule wasn't set in stone, ;) any chance we could swap indy with
either wheeler or grizzly (that is, run indy tues or weds instead of mon)?

a selfish request, but i will likely come out late monday night or early tuesday and was hoping
to attempt indy (at least liberty/freedom) since i've never done it before and would appreciate
having folks like you there as a trail leader for my first time... :D

would this change mess up anybody else's plans?

terry
:cheers:
You commit to running the whole trail and I will change it :firedevil The drop in is as bad body wise as the rest of the trail .I won't let jacobs spot you thru the water falls so you won't roll there.Be a man step up :D

[planefixer]

I'd like to see that! Such nice sheet metal to sacrifice. :laugh:

Bob

x2.Terry,take a good look at your pretty XJ because its not going to look so pretty after this trail. :laugh3:

[MMIXJ]

well i've never even seen the trail... but i was under the impression that there was a mandatory
winch exit, and since i'm winch-less i figured that ruled out patriot. :dunno:

let me check around a bit and ponder. i'm certainly willing to try if my rig is capable.

:D

[planefixer]

well i've never even seen the trail... but i was under the impression that there was a mandatory
winch exit, and since i'm winch-less i figured that ruled out patriot. :dunno:

let me check around a bit and ponder. i'm certainly willing to try if my rig is capable.

:D

Patriot you have to winch the exit,Liberty you dont.

[MMIXJ]

I'd like to see that! Such nice sheet metal to sacrifice. :laugh:
Bob

now wait a minute... doesn't this T&T kit come w/ an invincible-go-anywhere guarantee?

:D

[Led]

well i've never even seen the trail... but i was under the impression that there was a mandatory
winch exit, and since i'm winch-less i figured that ruled out patriot. :dunno:

let me check around a bit and ponder. i'm certainly willing to try if my rig is capable.

:D
For you I'll turn around and winch your behind out :thumbup:

[hightimes2]

I think Led really wants to see some body damage on this trip :D

[JEONLYEP]

I think Led really wants to see some body damage on this trip :D

So does that mean I could go? :D

[YELLAHEEP]

Hello, Terry? This is the voice of reason......


In all seriousness, you're gonna have to come to terms with how much you value the appearance of your XJ. Indy WILL claim your pass side mirror, and you most certainly will rub / dent at least the right rear flare/quarter panel just dropping into the trail. I ain't kidding here - I have the damage to show for it. If you run indy, you will receive body damage - plain and simple. Indy is one of those trails where you spend a helluva lotta time on your belly skid and rock sliders. Front diffs and steering linkage are in peril here. My Phat Jeeps center link actually bent on this trail (double sleeved DOM brutha). If you weren't already aware, Indy is a trail that forces you to take a dedicated line on obstacles. There are several places where steel rails and cables prevent you from trying other lines. The entrance and the Patriot exit are prime examples. Remember these pics of Patriot? Note the right fender and door...... and the missing mirror.

http://www.projectxj.com/images/temp/Indy1.jpg
http://www.projectxj.com/images/temp/Indy2.jpg

If I see someone run this kind of trail, then bitch about what it's gonna cost to fix the body..... and then actually fix it...... OMG.


Plus, I think Led's made it abundantly clear he has an illness that creates a hatred for shiny paint and straight body panels. I believe there's a name for it now.....

Addatubetomy: A serious mental disorder that compells the patient to use violent means to remove a vehicle's pristine sheet metal - and replace the ravaged areas with copious amounts of steel tubing. Patients may use sophisitcated methods involving plasma cutters, torches, saws and grinders in the advanced stages, but early symptoms can be identified when the patient appears to "give a shit less" about banging sheet metal against rocks, trees or other obstacles. Many patients display a perverse pleasure in watching others do the same to their sheetmetal - often encouraging them to do so.

I believe I am suffering from the early stages of this disorder. After the entrance damage, and getting chewed up winching out of Patriot, I recall giving a shit less afterwards. It's a sneaky little disorder, but have found some relief thru therapy sessions with Dr. Johnny Walker......... :laugh3:

[fatwreck]

Troy,

Did you get body damage from any other obstacles besides the first one? I've never run Patriot, but I've helped people through it before and I'm not sure if you would get body damage from other obstacles or not.

It could definitely happen on the first one and if you ran out liberty then I know there is a tree that hangs over pretty far. That will definitely take out your passenger side rain gutter.

This picture is from the way down liberty. If you did the drops on Patriot and came out that way....it would be on your passenger side:

http://www.projectxj.com/images/trail.runs/11.26.04-indy/images/IMG_5308.jpg

On Patriot, most of the rocks are just HUGE....but unless you flop it....I can't think of anywhere besides the first obstacle and possibly the A-Hole where you would get body damage.

I managed to make it through the entrance (only to wuss out and take Freedom :p) without hitting that passenger side. But let me tell you, I was pretty nervous and I took it REALLY slow.

http://www.projectxj.com/images/trail.runs/11.26.04-indy/images/IMG_5293.jpg

http://www.projectxj.com/images/trail.runs/11.26.04-indy/images/IMG_5295.jpg

http://www.projectxj.com/images/trail.runs/11.26.04-indy/images/IMG_5299.jpg

It just sucks because EVERYTHING about that obstacle leans you towards the railing.

[planefixer]

Hello, Terry? This is the voice of reason......


In all seriousness, you're gonna have to come to terms with how much you value the appearance of your XJ. Indy WILL claim your pass side mirror, and you most certainly will rub / dent at least the right rear flare/quarter panel just dropping into the trail. I ain't kidding here - I have the damage to show for it. If you run indy, you will receive body damage - plain and simple. Indy is one of those trails where you spend a helluva lotta time on your belly skid and rock sliders. Front diffs and steering linkage are in peril here. My Phat Jeeps center link actually bent on this trail (double sleeved DOM brutha). If you weren't already aware, Indy is a trail that forces you to take a dedicated line on obstacles. There are several places where steel rails and cables prevent you from trying other lines. The entrance and the Patriot exit are prime examples. Remember these pics of Patriot? Note the right fender and door...... and the missing mirror.

http://www.projectxj.com/images/temp/Indy1.jpg
http://www.projectxj.com/images/temp/Indy2.jpg

If I see someone run this kind of trail, then bitch about what it's gonna cost to fix the body..... and then actually fix it...... OMG.


Plus, I think Led's made it abundantly clear he has an illness that creates a hatred for shiny paint and straight body panels. I believe there's a name for it now.....

Addatubetomy: A serious mental disorder that compells the patient to use violent means to remove a vehicle's pristine sheet metal - and replace the ravaged areas with copious amounts of steel tubing. Patients may use sophisitcated methods involving plasma cutters, torches, saws and grinders in the advanced stages, but early symptoms can be identified when the patient appears to "give a shit less" about banging sheet metal against rocks, trees or other obstacles. Many patients display a perverse pleasure in watching others do the same to their sheetmetal - often encouraging them to do so.

I believe I am suffering from the early stages of this disorder. After the entrance damage, and getting chewed up winching out of Patriot, I recall giving a shit less afterwards. It's a sneaky little disorder, but have found some relief thru therapy sessions with Dr. Johnny Walker......... :laugh3:

I remember those pics--because I took them :laugh3: .Terry's mirror might survive--Late model XJ=fold in mirrors!!C'mon Terry,live on the edge.Troy,did you get the door and fender from Smurf installed yet and if so,did you leave the camo paint job or are they Yella now?Just curious.

[YELLAHEEP]

I remember those pics--because I took them :laugh3: .Terry's mirror might survive--Late model XJ=fold in mirrors!!C'mon Terry,live on the edge.Troy,did you get the door and fender from Smurf installed yet and if so,did you leave the camo paint job or are they Yella now?Just curious.


Heh, heh, don't get me wrong fellas. I'm not trying to discourage anyone from running Indy, I just want everyone to be as prepared for the trail as they can be. I'm just well aware that many rigs are people's daily drivers and they're proud of the look they've achieved - don't want anyone thinking it's easy to run Indy without smacking something. I figured Terry wasn't the only one possibly thinking the same questions.

Jeff: Nope, the Smurf parts are still layin' around - they're intended for a future project, but I keep toying with the idea of putting them on just for grins.... it would look pretty friggin' phunny though huh?

Brian: Nope, the first obstacle broke off my already damaged mirror, then the body leaned way into the last few feet of the rail causing some rubbing and large dimples to the rear quarter-tore loose my rear flare. I dunno where "A-hole" is but if it's the next big obstacle after the entrance, then you're right, it has potential for big damage - I think that's where Led laid over in his rig yes? Both tail lights took light hits on some of those tight turns - one cracked the other good-n-scratched. Another odd rock reached up and tagged my drivers door low after the rock rail slipped off. And then the final damage was caving in the pass door and front fender when trying to climb out of Patriot. The pics show the rock that did the damage, until the left tire slipped off the rail, my door was against that rock. I've only run Indy once, but I looked at that exit line on Patriot alot before trying it, and agreed with Led that to have a fighting chance to actually climb out, you had to run the tire up the railing. Problem was, my rig didn't spin the tires on the dirt like the rigs before me, it grabbed and launched the front way up - causing my rock rail to slip off the edge of that box-shaped rock and that motion happened when the tire dropped off the other side of the rail. In other words, Led was spotting me and I think he believed the rock rail would hold it's position and the rig would pivot on it's pass. side as the front tires tried to grab - that actually would have been just the right way to get positioned for a winch out, but my rig didn't cooperate. Led was just as surprised as I was at the way the rig moved. I don't blame the spotter. Just the sticky ProComps! :laugh3:

Of the two nasty trails, Carnage and Indy, I think Indy has the most potential for body damage. Carnage allows for some repositioning and rock stacking. Indy - the rocks are just too damn big to stack! and not alot of room to move.

[fatwreck]

Led was spotting me.....
That's a good story and all, but I'm still gonna go with the above statement as being the root of the problem. :wave:

Nah, that trail is real burly. Even with a winch, you still have be able to get as far up that rock as you did in the photos and it's real big. I think Terry should run it just based on Led's offer to winch him out. Heck, I'd consider taking him up on that if I could actually take the day off of work. :(

Pic of the exit from the bottom:
http://www.projectxj.com/images/trail.runs/08.09.03-indy/images/IMG_2986.jpg

These are 42s :exclamati
http://www.projectxj.com/images/trail.runs/08.09.03-indy/images/IMG_2995.jpg

[MMIXJ]

Of the two nasty trails, Carnage and Indy, I think Indy has the most potential for body damage. Carnage allows for some repositioning and rock stacking. Indy - the rocks are just too damn big to stack! and not alot of room to move.


hmmm, well that gives me some perspective anyway, thanks troy.
er, led, maybe you can leave the schedule as is... :dunce:

who knows, guess it wouldn't be very responsible to commit to any trail before seeing it firsthand.

(though it would be a great story to match the one last year of getting bloose thru carnage on 33s...)

:D

[Led]

Just so you know I have ran this trail in the XJ on 35s without body damage several times.

[YELLAHEEP]

Just so you know I have ran this trail in the XJ on 35s without body damage several times.



And exited via Patriot???..........Then you need to bring the guy that spotted YOU through to this event. Otherwise I'm calling :bs: ..... unless it was Jacobs of course. He can just stay home!

If you can lead the entire group through Indy w/o body damage, I'll buy your beer for the entire event. (Within reason of course) I might even toss JohnJohn's rig as an exception - being it's so tippy and all......

:D :D :D :D

[planefixer]

And exited via Patriot???..........Then you need to bring the guy that spotted YOU through to this event. Otherwise I'm calling :bs: ..... unless it was Jacobs of course. He can just stay home!

If you can lead the entire group through Indy w/o body damage, I'll buy your beer for the entire event. (Within reason of course) I might even toss JohnJohn's rig as an exception - being it's so tippy and all......

:D :D :D :D

He's not BSing.I watched him run through in his old yellow XJ after the rear coil conversion was installed and there was no damage(yes he exited out Patriot).If I recall correctly there wasnt really anyone spotting him for the most part.Getting everyone through without damage will be pretty much impossible.

[Led]

And exited via Patriot???..........Then you need to bring the guy that spotted YOU through to this event. Otherwise I'm calling :bs: ..... unless it was Jacobs of course. He can just stay home!

If you can lead the entire group through Indy w/o body damage, I'll buy your beer for the entire event. (Within reason of course) I might even toss JohnJohn's rig as an exception - being it's so tippy and all......

:D :D :D :D
Within reason my :moon: if your buying your buying none off the half ass stuff.

[MMIXJ]

Just so you know I have ran this trail in the XJ on 35s without body damage several times.


hmmm... well maybe "game on" after all. :D

[jrsxj98]

interesting. pondering the situation.

[jrsxj98]

what no one is gonna try and talk me out of it like they did Terry. Or they just know I might just be ready to drag my junk through there?

lol :cheers:

Getting really close now. what like 2 1/2 weeks and counting.

[JEONLYEP]

what no one is gonna try and talk me out of it like they did Terry. Or they just know I might just be ready to drag my junk through there?
No, it's just that everyone knows how pretty and straight Terry's is. :laugh3:

[planefixer]

You're ready Justin.You're doing it. :cheers:

[Fred]

It can be done without damage by an XJ on 35's.
It can also take out the entire driver's side at the A-hole. I've seen both. Bring plenty of spare front shafts. :laugh3:

Fred

[JohnJohn]

Bring plenty of spare front shafts. :laugh3:
Fred

Or have your friends XJ ready to pillage for spare parts.

[YELLAHEEP]

Or have your friends XJ ready to pillage for spare parts.



Exactly........ SOME friend's rigs are really good candidates for pillaging, since SOME friends don't learn their rig is missing a part for days...... allowing said part to go on "tour"..........

:laugh3:

[YELLAHEEP]

what no one is gonna try and talk me out of it like they did Terry. Or they just know I might just be ready to drag my junk through there?

lol :cheers:



Heck no. You have a tow rig and trailer now. Yer rig is officially "trail ready".


Yer goin'. :thumbup:

[planefixer]

Exactly........ SOME friend's rigs are really good candidates for pillaging, since SOME friends don't learn their rig is missing a part for days...... allowing said part to go on "tour"..........

:laugh3:


:laugh2: :laugh2:

[jrsxj98]

You're ready Justin.You're doing it. :cheers:

Along with you right.

[planefixer]

Along with you right.

My junk isn't built big enough yet. :lecture: :)

[Frank Z]

When will the final trail schedule be posted? I'd like to make it out for at least 1 or 2 trails but it will depend on the weather and what's scheduled for the weekends.

[formatt]

good call Frank.. I was just thinking about this earlier today.

any rough ideas when the trails runs will start in the morning? debating coming down Thursday morning early but I may just end up coming down Weds night.

[old_man]

Historically the trail list is a fluid thing and can be changed with a simple group of people getting together and deciding they want to do a trail and to get a trail leader and a quick blessing of the powers at be.

Colorado has a history of trying to use common sense.

[Frank Z]

I understand all that, but it could be frustrating for someone that makes the trip to COFest only to find that the trails he/she was expecting to go on have been dropped in favor of a different one, perhaps one that they aren't equiped for.

[YELLAHEEP]

Historically the trail list is a fluid thing and can be changed with a simple group of people getting together and deciding they want to do a trail and to get a trail leader and a quick blessing of the powers at be.

Colorado has a history of trying to use common sense.


Jeezus! Then lets quit all this common sense stuff and do something really off the cuff and crazy..... lets make a confirmed, set trail schedule. Huh? Whaddya say? :laugh3:

Sheesh Tom, don't go tossin' around the "common sense" verbage..... that gets the MWC all fired up when we get to talkin' about stuff they know nuthin' about!

(Just a joke fellas, just a joke....)

[planefixer]

Just my $ .02 - I'm happy with the existing trail schedule. :rof: :yelclap:

[Rock Yacht]

I'm leading some trails down there, doesn't really matter where we go, as posted originally or other. What I'd like to have nailed down is the departure times. Being that I am retired military a "tight schedule" is just part of my anatomy. :) Also as part of that same anatomy, if someone (LED...) doesn't make a decision and set a departure time, don't complain to me when the trails I'm leading have to FALL IN at o dark thirty! :D

[YELLAHEEP]

I wouldn't mind seeing Indy moved to later in the week, just so that my rig doesn't have to get abused so early in the event, but oh well. A couple of late-comers also have expressed disappointment in missing Indy, but it doesn't look like there's room to change it due to the over-nighter.

Unless Led has reason to change it, I say leave it as it stands.

[fatwreck]

I agree....it would be nice to know what the departure times are for the runs.

Also, where will the runs be staged? At the main campground? Trail head?

[YELLAHEEP]

I'm sure that once the trail departure times are set, everyone will meet at the campground for "driver meetings" prior to the departure time, then leave to the trail head from there.

Are there any attendees that will not be staying at the campground? So far, it seems that everyone is planning on staying at Chalk Creek.

[fatwreck]

Yeah, I won't be staying there. :wave: But I can certainly be at the campground by a certain time.

[fatwreck]

Hey, I'm not sure how this will affect things at all, but I just heard a rumor that Twisted Digital Video (http://www.twisteddv.com/) may be doing an all girls BV Carnage run on either the 13th or 14th of August. I know that trail can get somewhat crowded on the weekends....and I have no idea how many people they will have.....but it could be a clash to have 2 "events" there at the same time.

That is all.....now get those trail times going already. :laugh3:

[Led]

Hey some people work and not with a computer so everyone just give me a minute. Damn its only been 17 hours since the question was asked. As of now all trail runs leave at 9:00 why ??? Cause I drink and I hate hangovers and will be cooking my own breakfast!!! The only exception at this time is on the 13th we will be at the trail head by 8:00 so we can beat the rush. We can swap Indy with Grizzly if that will make everyone happy.I just live for making everyone happy. :D Is anyone bringing a laptop to the event that can run to town and make updates?? It would be nice! Now let the whinning begin :cheers:
Led

[formatt]

Now let the whinning begin
Cause I drink and I hate hangovers and will be cooking my own breakfast!!!

pot + kettle = black? :)

i was also under the impression that Jon would be making everyone breakfast? His p's live right there in BV... how convienent for us. Hopefully the Denver Omelettes stay warm.

John John is bringing his lappy with him.

[Kaczman]

I planned on making Denver omelettes, but the AODOL (Assn. of Denver Omellette Lovers) threatened me with a lawsuit if I made them outside of city limits. I'll only be serving large glasses of shut the hell up. :)

The folks even have DSL so I can update the schedule lickity split.

-Jon

[JEONLYEP]

Well if it's not set in stone here's how I'd like the schedule to look.


Tuesday:
Mine Sweeper and Left fender, 8 ?, TL-Led
Mt Princeton , 4 , TL-???

Wednesday:
Indy , 10 , TL-Led
Hayden Pass , 3 , TL-Scott Hayden

Thursday:
Wheeler lake ,7 , TL-Troy
Pomeroy lake ,5 , TL-???

Friday:
Grizzly lake ,7 , TL-Led
Iron Chest ,8 ,TL-Bob

Saturday:
Holy Cross overnighter ,8/9 , TL-Troy *See my post*
Tincup,tomichi,hancock ,4 , TL-???

Sunday:
Holy Cross overnighter ,8/9 , TL-Troy
Mt Antero ,5 ,TL-???

Monday:
Carnage Gulch ,10 ,TL-Led
Chinamens ,8 ,TL-Brian

Saturday night will be a party and the raffle. Please post up if you can lead any of the trails with ???

Any objections? NO? Than great, Make it so!

[JEONLYEP]

Just kidding by the way.

[Rock Yacht]

Does a 0900 departure take into account the drive time to some of these trails with over tired (size) and under geared XJ's like mine? ;) Not to mention a 198K on the ticker, cough wheeze putt putt putt. :D

Hey what do I care. I'm on vacation! whoohoooooooo

[planefixer]

For the farther destinations( Wheeler,Indy, etc.) we can leave earlier.

[MMIXJ]

As of now all trail runs leave at 9:00:thumbup:

a man after my own heart...
ZZZZZZZ ZZZ ZZZZZ ZZZZZ

terry
;)

[MMIXJ]

I just heard a rumor that Twisted Digital Video (http://www.twisteddv.com/) may be doing an all girls BV Carnage run on either the 13th or 14th of August.

as in "girls gone wild" carnage?!

:party:

[Fred]

My interest in 4 wheeling has suddenly increased. :laugh3:

Fred

[formatt]

My interest in 4 wheeling has suddenly increased. :laugh3:

Fred

wow.. funny thing about that Fred.. I was just talking to one of them tonight and she was mentioning that they were all way into old guys. :wierd:

hate to break the news but I think they're going to either reschedule or find another location that'll be double top secret that only I or anyone else that asks them, will know about.

[JEONLYEP]

As of now all trail runs leave at 9:00
:thumbup:

a man after my own heart...
ZZZZZZZ ZZZ ZZZZZ ZZZZZ

terry
;)
Ain't nothing wrong with 9:00 :D

Daryl

[Fred]

Hey, I just go four wheeling for the scenary, not the technical challenge. :laugh3:

Fred

[BillR]

wow.. funny thing about that Fred.. I was just talking to one of them tonight and she was mentioning that they were all way into old guys. :wierd:

They're into old guys?? woohoo! :laugh3:

[formatt]

Bill... I said old, not decrepit. ;)

[BillR]

Hey...Tom's decrepit, I'm just old. :laugh3:

[old_man]

How did I get drug into this?

[formatt]

bill, are you nuts?

you showed up at my house with a walker, oygen tank, eating Geritol like M&M's, wearing a diaper on the OUTSIDE of your brown polyester "slacks" and spitting on me because your dentures were loose. :)

[BillR]

bill, are you nuts?

you showed up at my house with a walker, oygen tank, eating Geritol like M&M's, wearing a diaper on the OUTSIDE of your brown polyester "slacks" and spitting on me because your dentures were loose. :)
The "walker" was my new lightweight cage for the TJ, the tank was my CO2, those WERE M&Ms, the diaper..you got me there. :laugh3:

[MMIXJ]

We can swap Indy with Grizzly if that will make everyone happy.

um, could we swap indy w/ wheeler instead, so that people don't have to choose between indy
and iron chest (both harder trails).

cool? :cool:

[MMIXJ]

swap indy w/ wheeler instead, so that people don't have to choose between indy and iron chest?

yes/no/maybe?

:D

[jrsxj98]

Led are you gonna setup camp on the 6th or after the runs on the 7th?

[Led]

yes/no/maybe?

:D
Need more input . I don't care either way

[Led]

Led are you gonna setup camp on the 6th or after the runs on the 7th?
6th round 10:00 A.M.

[MMIXJ]

Need more input . I don't care either way

silence = no objections?

:D

see my other thread... i'm just trying to see who's running what, so plans can be made,
especially for those colorado visitors planning to hook up w/ NAXJA mates.

:cheers:

terry

[planefixer]

Fuggit.I dont care if we change the schedule.Lets just figure out whats going to work the best for the majority of attendees----just my $.02 :)

[jrsxj98]

Fuggit.I dont care if we change the schedule.Lets just figure out whats going to work the best for the majority of attendees----just my $.02 :)

Well put......

[fatwreck]

I'm not sure who all is coming from out of town, but realistically there aren't that many people who are capable of running the trail, right? You guys keep saying that you'll leave it up to the majority, but aren't you the majority? :laugh3:

I won't be able to make it, regardless of which day it is. But there's Led, planefixer, MMIXJ, jrsxj98, and yellaheep....that I can think of off the top of my head. who else?

[planefixer]

I'm not sure who all is coming from out of town, but realistically there aren't that many people who are capable of running the trail, right? You guys keep saying that you'll leave it up to the majority, but aren't you the majority? :laugh3:

I won't be able to make it, regardless of which day it is. But there's Led, planefixer, MMIXJ, jrsxj98, and yellaheep....that I can think of off the top of my head. who else?

My XJ aint big enough for Indy--just going to watch/snap pics :)
I think there's a couple of more that have expressed interest in running Indy just cant remember who.

[planefixer]

My XJ aint big enough for Indy--just going to watch/snap pics :)
I think there's a couple of more that have expressed interest in running Indy just cant remember who.


Another idea that was suggested: A wifes/Gf run for chinaman Gulch.

[Grant]

Have fun guys, I wish I could join you for the whole adventure.

Carol and I leave tomorrow for Finland for the World Rally. I get back late Monday, and if I can get away from work next week I plan on coming down for a night. Probably Friday night, so I can watch the loonies run Carnage.

I hope everybody has a fun, safe, breakage free week. May hangovers be your worst problem.

Grant

[MMIXJ]

realistically there aren't that many people who are capable of running the trail, right? You guys keep saying that you'll leave it up to the majority, but aren't you the majority? :laugh3:
... there's Led, planefixer, MMIXJ, jrsxj98, and yellaheep....that I can think of off the top of my head. who else?


good point brian... :lecture:
so any objections from the above to running indy tuesday (swapped w/ wheeler)?
i may or may not drive it, but i want to at least ride along so i can see the trail firsthand...
(and subsequently take fatwreck up on his offer to run it, or part of it, together this fall). :D

speak now or forever hold your peace!

[YELLAHEEP]

Actually Terry, I think swapping Wheeler and Indy is a good idea. I gotta lead Wheeler and at least by swapping them, I won't have to worry about having thrashed my rig before having to lead a trail. ...... but then again, I'd hafta lead Holy Cross the day after Indy if we swap it....

Aw hell, I guess it makes no real difference, but I'm ok with swapping Wheeler/Indy.

[MMIXJ]

Aw hell, I guess it makes no real difference, but I'm ok with swapping Wheeler/Indy.

cool... :cool:, thanks.

so can you or led edit the first page of this thread so as not to confuse anybody?

see you next week!
:cheers:

terry

[Rock Yacht]

As a side note probably better to run Indy on Tues anyway. Gives the the guys that blew something up over the weekend one more day to try and get it out of there before terry is down there on his lid blocking the trail. ;)

[MMIXJ]

As a side note probably better to run Indy on Tues anyway. Gives the the guys that blew something up over the weekend one more day to try and get it out of there before terry is down there on his lid blocking the trail. ;)

...still waiting for that T&T customs "roof skid plate"... a big ol' 4'x'5' piece of 3/8" cold steel
welded to the top-- bombproof and only 400 pounds!

fwiw, now that i know justin is prone to peer pressure, i'm likely gonna ride shotgun w/ him
since i can use the excuse that he's got more lift, bigger tires, and deeper gears than i.
of course i've got better suspension (oh wait, guess i can't claim that anymore).

:cheers:

[Rock Yacht]

Terry want to do some parking lot mods? Bringing a full selection of tools, including the 5K Gen, welder, compressor. I can weld 3/8" to 24g sheetmetal. :eek:

[TJ_Shunk]

Don't be scared Terry!!

[MMIXJ]

Terry want to do some parking lot mods?
Bringing a full selection of tools, including the 5K Gen, welder, compressor. I can weld 3/8" to 24g sheetmetal. :eek:

hey i may just take you up on that...

see i've got these cool new rock rails ;) but i'm thinking the frame mounts may need to be
"zapped" to the framerail.

i mean if you're gonna lug that welder all the way down, we may as well use it, right ?
:D

[TJ_Shunk]

hey i may just take you up on that...

see i've got these cool new rock rails ;) but i'm thinking the frame mounts may need to be
"zapped" to the framerail.

i mean if you're gonna lug that welder all the way down, we may as well use it, right ?
:D


Two words for you terry, FRAME STIFFNERS. :D

[jrsxj98]

Im sure some one will have a welder. and my trailer has a gen.

[Rock Yacht]

hey i may just take you up on that...

see i've got these cool new rock rails ;) but i'm thinking the frame mounts may need to be
"zapped" to the framerail.

i mean if you're gonna lug that welder all the way down, we may as well use it, right ?
:D

Trail repairs are spendy! Camp repairs are even higher! ;)

[MMIXJ]

Trail repairs are spendy! Camp repairs are even higher! ;)


hmmm... what was the name of that wisconsin beer again?
;)

[planefixer]

hmmm... what was the name of that wisconsin beer again?
;)

Get him some CHIMAY :laugh3:

[jrsxj98]

Get him some CHIMAY :laugh3:

no not the yuppie beer again.

[MMIXJ]

(led, sent you a PM, but just in case)


what time do you think you'll be at the indy trailhead on tuesday?
i'll be driving straight there from denver...

looks like it will take you guys a while to get there from nathrop;
should i plan on 10 am (later/earlier)?

terry

[jrsxj98]

(led, sent you a PM, but just in case)


what time do you think you'll be at the indy trailhead on tuesday?
i'll be driving straight there from denver...

looks like it will take you guys a while to get there from nathrop;
should i plan on 10 am (later/earlier)?

terry


Led is already in BV. He set up camp yesterday.....

[MMIXJ]

thanks justin...

i sent you a PM w/ my cell number. give me a call if the plan changes for tuesday, otherwise
i'll plan to meet you guys at the trailhead about 10 or 10:30.

terry

[Fred]

Led said 10:30 when I talked to Jeff on Friday. I plan on getting there between 10:30 and 11:00. Nobody moves too quickly on Indy.

Fred

[MMIXJ]

Led said 10:30 when I talked to Jeff on Friday. I plan on getting there between 10:30 and 11:00. Nobody moves too quickly on Indy.

Fred

excellent... thanks fred! glad to get confirmation from somebody, as apparently i missed
led and justin.

i'll plan to arrive about the same time as you then; see you tuesday.

;)

terry

[cagedxj]

SO...when is the Indy run? I thought it was today(monday). Thats what the schedule looks like on the first page. Then on the last few post it reads tues.?

[Kittrell]

SO...when is the Indy run? I thought it was today(monday). Thats what the schedule looks like on the first page. Then on the last few post it reads tues.?
Good luck Chris, I think almost evreyone is already down there or on their way............... :laugh3:

But the campsite does have WiFi now, so ya might get lucky.............:cheers:

[cagedxj]

so it is today? With 112 post I cant follow all this crap. I have a job...or something like that.

Thanks

[JohnJohn]

:) I'm the same way...

I THINK...Indy is tomorrow(Tuesday, Aug 8) Looks like they are getting started about 10 or 10:30.

[MMIXJ]

indy is tomorrow (tues).

see the "who/when" thread...

finally finished wrenching, now off to the grocery store so i can pack tonight and head out
in the morning.

see you tomorrow?

terry

[cagedxj]

nope I was able to go today but not tomorrow. Ill see everyone for the BV event given its still sururday or sunday.


Chris

[Fred]

If you show up this coming Sunday, we'll all be leaving. It runs from last Sunday through this Saturday, that hasn't changed.

Assuming, of course, I actually make it there. :laugh3:

Fred

[shotstopper]

Monday's Wheeler Lake Trip was awesome! I'll be back again Friday.