D44 build problems pt 2 [Archive] - NAXJA Forums -::- North American XJ Association

rideabike

March 7th, 2005, 15:12

ok, the d44 i am building came with 3.07s
i am putting either 4.10 or 4.56 in
i bought a new case, 3.92 and up
i bought new bearings for the case
the new bearings fit the case, but not the axle
the old bearings, on the old case fit the old case and axle, but not the new case

wth is going on?! desparately needing some help here

*the axle is a 79, out of a k10, no BOM or any other info is stamped anywhere on the axle

Phil

March 7th, 2005, 15:25

CRASH

March 7th, 2005, 15:28

Does the cover of your 44 look like this?
http://coloradok5.com/techpics/gm10bolt85in.jpg
That's a 10 bolt.

In your other thread, Brett posted that a 79 had a 10 bolt front, not a 44.

How's the GM passenger side diff working for you?

My thought exactly.

Edit: If you Sierra chapter youngin's keep getting smarter, we're going to need to get some new youngins'.

Big Red

March 7th, 2005, 15:51

Yeah, the dana 44 and 60 both have some straight edged sides (diff cover). The 10 bolt is a very common Chevy diff mostly used in the front, but also in the rear of later model K5's. It's know as the "Poor Man's dana 44". I wouldn't bother much with it, the dana 44 is a better all around axle. If you have the parts and got it cheap what the heck. Click on this link for a xj dana 44 pic and desc. Obviously you have a front axle, so it will not look like this exactly, just look at the diff shape, does it look like this or the pic that Phil posted (round cover)???

http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/D44_buildup/D44.htm

I just made my 2,000th post, time to celebrate. :party:
Troy

Starboard M

March 7th, 2005, 16:39

http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/D44_buildup/D44.htm

That was a good find by him. Wish I was that lucky with finding parts. It looks like he has a truss on that 44. Is that a good idea with the 44? Ive never seen one bend before, at least not on Cherokees.

small pederson

March 7th, 2005, 16:54

nevermind!

Big Red

March 7th, 2005, 16:56

That was a good find by him. Wish I was that lucky with finding parts. It looks like he has a truss on that 44. Is that a good idea with the 44? Ive never seen one bend before, at least not on Cherokees.

It's a little overkill, but I would rather overbuild than underbuild. Breaking down offroad isn't run. Yeah, a free xj 44 is hard to beat. Well finding 1 at pnp for $135 isn't too bad either. :laugh3:

Kittrell

March 7th, 2005, 17:16

It's a little overkill, but I would rather overbuild than underbuild. Breaking down offroad isn't run. Yeah, a free xj 44 is hard to beat. Well finding 1 at pnp for $135 isn't too bad either. :laugh3:

Come to Colorado, pull n save = $62.99 out the door............. :laugh3:

rdx4me

March 7th, 2005, 18:16

If a D44 is that good does the obvious factor of more is better apply? D60?
Is the D60 a bolt in or does it require narrowing / spring perches / etc...

rideabike

March 7th, 2005, 19:18

CRASH

March 7th, 2005, 19:31

i have a d44, it is not a 10 bolt

anyone have any useful info?

"How's the GM passenger side diff working for you?"

its working, or rather will be working great once i get the bearing problem figured out, great

a passenger drop 241 works real damn well with a passenger side diff

but really, anyone got any ideas?

What are the numbers on the race and the bearing?

The race should be 25523 and the bearing should be 25590. Those are NTN numbers, but they cross to Timken.

Both are for a 30 spline Dana 44.

CRASH

rideabike

March 7th, 2005, 20:58

and what if it is something other than 30 spline??

ie 28 spline???

March 7th, 2005, 21:10

and what if it is something other than 30 spline??

ie 28 spline???

You don't have a dana 44.

rideabike

March 7th, 2005, 21:15

D44:
http://coloradok5.com/techpics/dana44.jpg

this is what the pumpkin looks like

im not tryin to be a dick or makin stuff up here, im just really dang confused

March 7th, 2005, 21:25

http://tinypic.com/21twt3
I am fairly certain that all dana 44's are 30 spline. Here is some info you might be able to use.

rideabike

March 7th, 2005, 21:45

Kejtar

March 7th, 2005, 21:47

http://tinypic.com/21twt3
I am fairly certain that all dana 44's are 30 spline. Here is some info you might be able to use.
I think all newer 44's were 30 spline while some older ones (read OLD) were 18 or 20 spline

March 7th, 2005, 22:03

Yeah but he said '79. And the 79 k10's came with a 10bolt.

BrettM

March 7th, 2005, 22:10

so assuming it really is a D44 housing, I'm pretty certain there is no way to get a 10bolt carrier to work in it, but could possible just the side-gears fit, so someone put 28 spline 10bolt sidegears and shafts in?

March 7th, 2005, 22:18

I think we need pics of the axle to really be able to help. If it is a 44/10bolt hybrid someone was really cheap or board.

CRASH

March 8th, 2005, 05:23

that looks correct, however, i have a d44 housing...

is there anyway someone crammed something else in there? used different tubes on the pumpkin?!

the part number listed above for the race does not fit the race/bearing seat

im going crazy here

Dude, if you've got 28 spline shafts you have a 10 bolt. The bearing surfaces are as you describe between the two,i.e. the race fits the housing, but the bearing does not fit the carrier.

44's came in three spline configurations from 1942 to present: 10, 19, and 30. Recently, you've been able to get 33 and 35.

NEVER, EVER, 28.

Your frustration seems to stem from an inability to accept reality.

CRASH

P.S. I'm willing to entertain the notion that some jackkass stuffed some 28 spline shafts and the wrong carrier into a 44 at some point, but that is pretty far-fetched. Take a pic of the housing and post it up. Better yet, look up the B.O.M. number.

Kittrell

March 8th, 2005, 05:31

Dude, if you've got 28 spline shafts you have a 10 bolt. The bearing surfaces are as you describe between the two,i.e. the race fits the housing, but the bearing does not fit the carrier.

44's came in three spline configurations from 1942 to present: 10, 19, and 30. Recently, you've been able to get 33 and 35.

NEVER, EVER, 28.

Your frustration seems to stem from an inability to accept reality.

CRASH

P.S. I'm willing to entertain the notion that some jackkass stuffed some 28 spline shafts and the wrong carrier into a 44 at some point, but that is pretty far-fetched. Take a pic of the housing and post it up. Better yet, look up the B.O.M. number.

All true, and he can't find a B.O.M. anywhere, which is enough for me to believe it's not a dana unit. I know some of them get to where you can never even try to make out the numbers, but they are still visible if your looking in the right place...........:lecture:

rideabike

March 8th, 2005, 07:26

im perfectly able to accept reality, and i appreciate all the help

ill try to get some pics up later on

rideabike

March 8th, 2005, 08:52

how do i post pics?

csudman

March 8th, 2005, 09:00

how do i post pics?

photobucket.com is easy and free

BrettM

March 8th, 2005, 09:17

imageshack.us

rideabike

March 8th, 2005, 09:40

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/ncsukeaton/02110002.jpg

and

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/ncsukeaton/02110001.jpg

BrettM

March 8th, 2005, 09:44

IT'S A DAMN 10 BOLT!

how many times did we tell you this?

ECKSJAY

March 8th, 2005, 09:55

IT'S A DAMN 10 BOLT!

how many times did we tell you this?

No kidding.

Say, is that the Di ll inger paint mod?

CRASH

March 8th, 2005, 10:22

IT'S A DAMN 10 BOLT!

how many times did we tell you this?

Christ.

CRASh

CRASH

March 8th, 2005, 10:23

[QUOTE=rideabike]that looks correct, however, i have a d44 housing...

/QUOTE]

I'm curious as to what led you to believe this in the forst place? You were so certain!

CRASH

rideabike

March 8th, 2005, 14:28

ok guys, i see that it takes a n00b messing up to give yall humor or whatever, thats fine, yall are sad people and im sorry

however, you cannot say that this:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/ncsukeaton/02110001.jpg

does not strongly resemble this:
http://coloradok5.com/techpics/dana44.jpg

as opposed to this:
http://coloradok5.com/techpics/gm10bolt85in.jpg

yes, there are slight differences so that neither one of the pictures matches up exactly

for those of yall that seemed to realize that helping out wasnt gonna take that much of your time, thank you

for the rest, xxxx off, im learning, and unlike yall, i wasnt born with complete knowledge of all car parts made before the year i was born

Jes

March 8th, 2005, 14:37

:rolleyes:

Gil BullyKatz

March 8th, 2005, 15:01

im learning, and unlike yall, i wasnt born with complete knowledge of all car parts made before the year i was born

Even more reason why to listen to tech savvy gearheads that can tell ya what it is without even seeing it...

lesson learned?
make sure you know what you have before throwing money at it...

And unless you chill on the 'tude you're not going to get a lot more help...

Part of the ribbing you're getting stems from the fact that you tried to argue that it was a 44...

The right thing to do would be to suck it up and say:

"Dang... I Screwed up, you guys were right, sorry"

Instead, you decide to get hissy and tell them to fawk off?

Enjoy your stay

"reputation administered accordingly"

Kittrell

March 8th, 2005, 15:06

for the rest, XXXX off, im learning, and unlike yall, i wasnt born with complete knowledge of all car parts made before the year i was born

Don't expect us to be there to help when your build falls flat on it's ass, enjoy the rep......................:rolleyes:

Phil

March 8th, 2005, 15:23

for the rest, f off, im learning, and unlike yall, i wasnt born with complete knowledge of all car parts made before the year i was born

Dude, stow the "woe is me" crap. Nobody cares. You're not a damn martyr. You were wrong, you ignored one thread where it looks like people told you what you didn't want to hear, and you wouldn't give up the idea that you had a 44. Suck it up, keep going, and if you ask for advice, actually read the answers you get.

And chill with the F-bombs. Just because they're not ccensored, doesn't mean using them makes you cool.

CRASH

March 8th, 2005, 15:34

however, you cannot say that this:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/ncsukeaton/02110001.jpg

does not strongly resemble this:
http://coloradok5.com/techpics/dana44.jpg

as opposed to this:
http://coloradok5.com/techpics/gm10bolt85in.jpg

Actually, I find it hard to believe that you confused the two.

For future reference, ribbing usually goes hand in hand with good info. There was a good dose of both in this thread.

Hell, I even went out into the garage in my Sylvester and Tweety pajamas to get you those bearing and race part numbers!

CRASH

Kittrell

March 8th, 2005, 15:38

Actually, I find it hard to believe that you confused the two.

For future reference, ribbing usually goes hand in hand with good info. There was a good dose of both in this thread.

Hell, I even went out into the garage in my Sylvester and Tweety pajamas to get you those bearing and race part numbers!

CRASH

How much shipped to 80111?

TRNDRVR

March 8th, 2005, 16:19

Hell, I even went out into the garage in my Sylvester and Tweety pajamas to get you those bearing and race part numbers!
http://www.timbercrawler.com/bb/images/smiles/worthless.gif

ECKSJAY

March 8th, 2005, 18:20

Dude, stow the "woe is me" crap.

+1 point for proper spelling of 'woe'.

n00bz take note, it's not 'whoas'...it's 'woes'.

rideabike

March 8th, 2005, 18:35

i messed up

Kittrell

March 8th, 2005, 18:37

i messed up

ahahaha, I bet you see that now that you've been knocked off your horse............ Hasta

Gil BullyKatz

March 8th, 2005, 18:47

i messed up

Good deal...

Now wait a few days (or weeks) for this thread to die...

http://us.st5.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/I/demotivators_1836_2795627

96XJCLASSIC

March 8th, 2005, 18:48

Can anyone help me with some info on how to install my 8.8 outta an explorer in my XJ. It isn't bolting in right, or am I just not holding it right???

Oh here is a pic.

http://www.edmunds.com/edweb/wardlaw/explorer/media/02.ford.explorer.suspension.350.jpg

:rattle:

JnJ

March 9th, 2005, 04:19

i messed up
Cool. Admitting it is the first step. Now all you sack riders stop piling on after the fact.
So, what ya gonna do, run the 10 bolt or try and find a 44?

rideabike

March 9th, 2005, 09:13

already got another d44, for sure this time lol

the 10 bolt is gonna turn into some art, or a mailbox, or something

Hickey

March 9th, 2005, 09:19

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/ncsukeaton/02110002.jpg

and

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/ncsukeaton/02110001.jpg
BWAHAHAHAHAaaaa!!! :hang:

March 9th, 2005, 09:32

Good deal. What are you running for steering? I would recomend hi steer, I am running an inveterted t setup and it's horrible, my drag link and tie rod it each other on compression, and I break the 1/2 ton tie rod ends constantly on the trail.

rideabike

March 9th, 2005, 10:40

yea ive gotta set of knuckles that have been machined and ready for full hydro hi steer,
switched to 8 lug, etc

Kittrell

March 9th, 2005, 19:27

ready for full hydro hi steer

Your gonna get some flack for that one............... :pig:

BrettM

March 9th, 2005, 19:46

Your gonna get some flack for that one............... :pig:
that's fine as long as the system is designed and assembled by someone who knows what they are doing. someone that knows the difference between a 10bolt and a D44 would be a good start :rolleyes: