Crash! Hidden Long arm?

[Jeff 98XJ WI]

So, you've driven your new rig with this new front suspension for awhile now. What can you tell us about it? Does it handle street driving well? It must work well in the rocks? Why are the long lowers angled in to the center of the rig so much? Have you adjusted the height of the long upper in your mount with at least three mounting spots? Inquiring minds want to know. Jeff

[bretto]

:huh:
:confused1

[Kaczman]

:huh:
:confused1

URF designed a custom 3 link and have been keeping the details top secret. I think they are working on the bolt-on details before they market it.

-JonK

[Jes]

URF designed a custom 3 link and have been keeping the details top secret. I think they are working on the bolt-on details before they market it.

-JonK

Correct, this will be the bolt on kit to have. One's being prototyped for my rig right now. ;)

Edit: Oh, and it's called the "Hidden three link" or "Missing link" kit. :D

[Kaczman]

Jes- Don't forget to mention that it will be half the price of their 6 link kit. (I hope that wasn't top secret as well.)

JonK

[Big Red]

Correct, this will be the bolt on kit to have. One's being prototyped for my rig right now. ;)

Edit: Oh, and it's called the "Hidden three link" or "Missing link" kit. :D


Jes has entered the building. :laugh3: I have to check out your xj. Are you making it to the snow run this saturday to Morman Immigrant? Should be fun. Is URF a company selling stuff yet or mostly prototype stuff? I like the workmanship coming from them on Crash's rig (roll cage/frame rail sleeving/rock sliders) as good as you can do with the XJ design. :)
Troy

[Jes]

Jes- Don't forget to mention that it will be half the price of their 6 link kit. (I hope that wasn't top secret as well.)

JonK

Dude, shut up! :shhh:


Jes has entered the building. I have to check out your xj. Are you making it to the snow run this saturday to Morman Immigrant? Should be fun.
Troy

No, my junk is junk and I don't even have a spare tire(sold it last weekend). I'll be out of commision till at least January.

[Jeff 98XJ WI]

Well, since one can never tell if you folks are full of hot air or not, I just don't know if you are serious about this being a bolt on kit type of thing with promise for sales. I personally think that it is a custom setup that required a bit of work to get clearance for on Princess II and will probably require just as much customization to go on Jes's rig. So, what I would like to know is how well it works! I would like a little engineering discussion as to how it was designed and why. Is that some sort of trade secret? Geez. BTW, I think it is awfully similar to a Rockkrawler Gen II setup as far as a long arm 3 link. Sure, the links are mounted higher up at both the axle and frame and they are mounted further towards the center of the rig, but pretty close to the RK in design. Jeff

[Big Red]

Dude, shut up! :shhh:




No, my junk is junk and I don't even have a spare tire(sold it last weekend). I'll be out of commision till at least January.

I have a spare for you if you want it, actually quite a few spare 35's (5--Goodyear MT's and 3--75% MTRS/1 25% MTR with uneven wear) and a 33 bft mt. Are you redesigning stuff on your rig for next season? Are you going to make it to JV this winter?
Back on topic: Is URF selling stuff to the public yet??? I know they are around Sac from Andy living in Forest Hill and communting with Sean to Sac. :)
Troy

[BrettM]

http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=26717

[XJJPR]

Crashitt's P2 sucks!

Goatman has all kinds of pictures of the missing link hanging on more rocks than we could count last weekend.

But he has a nice sister! Tho she drinks a little too much!

hinkley

[David Taylor]

We all know long arms suck. Your just trying to trick us into buying urf junk.
I'm sticking with rusty's.

[Jeff 98XJ WI]

Brett, thanks for the link. A few more responses to that since the last time I looked at it. So Andy, care to share your reasons for mounting the lower arms so far in towards the center of the Jeep? Much different than most Long Arms sitting way out UNDER the frame rails. How does the new suspension handle brake dive, emergency avoidance maneuvers, and general pavement and gravel road pounding?Oh yeah, ever get those pics in the disposable camera developed? :) Jeff

[XJJPR]

Crashitt's P2 sucks!

Goatman has all kinds of pictures of the missing link hanging on more rocks than we could count last weekend.

But he has a nice sister! Tho she drinks a little too much!

hinkley

[Goatman]

Brett, thanks for the link. A few more responses to that since the last time I looked at it. So Andy, care to share your reasons for mounting the lower arms so far in towards the center of the Jeep? Much different than most Long Arms sitting way out UNDER the frame rails. How does the new suspension handle brake dive, emergency avoidance maneuvers, and general pavement and gravel road pounding?Oh yeah, ever get those pics in the disposable camera developed? :) Jeff

Jeff, I'll resist the temptation to drive this thread even further off track......at least for awhile. :)

Since CRASH isn't looking, I can share my observations. The goal was to build a long arm that performed well and didn't comprise ground clearance. I believe the lower arms needed to be that far inward to avoid hitting things. There is nothing hanging down on the URF design, hence nothing to get hung up on. Andy drove 10-12 hours pulling a trailer to get to JV, and back, and he had positive comments on how it handled on the highway.

You'll have wait till CRASH shows up here to get his impressions. From all observations, it appears to have worked well.

[CRASH]

Oh my, haven't posted in Tech for almost 6 months.

The new system is very good. All solid joints, 5 RE superflexes, and one 1.25" heim up by the transfer case. The handling is very solid and crisp. I am running no sway bar with Skyjacker 8" coils and if the shocks weren't completely trashed, it would be about perfect. That situation should be fixed next weekend when the 7100's go in. The arms have to be inboarded because of their length, to clear the frame on full compression. They are 40" long center to center. Jes's are about 5 inches shorter due to his revised crossmember position.

Compared to the old RE radius arm style system, the 3 link is worlds ahead. No funny anti-squat behavior, no unwanted jacking or unloading on the steep stuff, and I actually hit 75 mph on the dry lake bed in 4th gear and felt very comfortable.

The kit will be available soon, and yes, it does use bolts to hold it all together. Jes and I are working out the options for the kit......it's 95% done. Jes should be able to post some pics soon. Almost ready.

CRASH

[JeepFreak21]

Oh my, haven't posted in Tech for almost 6 months.

The new system is very good. All solid joints, 5 RE superflexes, and one 1.25" heim up by the transfer case. The handling is very solid and crisp. I am running no sway bar with Skyjacker 8" coils and if the shocks weren't completely trashed, it would be about perfect. That situation should be fixed next weekend when the 7100's go in. The arms have to be inboarded because of their length, to clear the frame on full compression. They are 40" long center to center. Jes's are about 5 inches shorter due to his revised crossmember position.

Compared to the old RE radius arm style system, the 3 link is worlds ahead. No funny anti-squat behavior, no unwanted jacking or unloading on the steep stuff, and I actually hit 75 mph on the dry lake bed in 4th gear and felt very comfortable.

The kit will be available soon, and yes, it does use bolts to hold it all together. Jes and I are working out the options for the kit......it's 95% done. Jes should be able to post some pics soon. Almost ready.

CRASH

Now Jes has one and we haven't heard sh!t about it?!? Post pics damnit!
Billy

[offroadman83]

Yeah we only have seen the pics that were in non tech and they sucked anyways!!!========Kyle

[CRASH]

Top secret....patent hasn't been issued yet. Can't go releasing pics and specs....design could get stolen by the likes of ORGS......

CRASH

[HodgePodge]

How much shipped to 55811? I want one now! :rattle:

[Gil BullyKatz]

Hmmm.... very interesting...
Sounds promising...
Keep us updated

[Bones]

It's a vendor problem thing......X J Guy would understand :rolleyes:


Bones :skull1:

[JnJ]

Top secret....patent hasn't been issued yet. Can't go releasing pics and specs....design could get stolen by the likes of ORGS......

CRASH
Very XJGuyish of you.

[Goatman]

OK, I have to bail out my buddy CRASH and his long primised URF Racing long arm kit. He isn't like the other guy because he actually shows up for runs and has a rig that wheels.

Here he is in Princess II with the new long arm kit installed:
http://fototime.com/6D270AC314670EC/standard.jpg

Thankfully, he actually built a high clearance long arm (thanks to...advice....from yours truly):
http://fototime.com/78A388DB0DB731B/standard.jpg

And he does drive it on the highway, here he is getting ready for the 10 hour trip home:
http://fototime.com/994176F506BD11D/standard.jpg

Now about getting the product available, I have nothing to say about that. I hear that it's bolt on.......at least it uses bolts in the kit. :)

[Jeepin Jason]

10 hrs?! Man, I drive my rig daily, but for hauls like that it rides on a trailer...

Anyways, where might one find more photos and/or info on man in question's "roof rack"?

[BrettM]

early pictures of the 3 link (last May) I don't think there were any significant changes:

http://www.xjdb.com/albums/upload/crash_1.sized.jpg

http://www.xjdb.com/albums/upload/crash_2.sized.jpg




Jeepin Jason, here's CRASH's cage thread: http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15891

he has done a few other similar ones too, search for "URF cage" and you'll find lots of good URF stuff :D

[MrShoeBoy]

Any more pics of the UCA mount at the frame end?

Also how does the crossmember tie into the frame rails?

AARON

[BrettM]

the UCA mount is box tubing, what you can't see in the picture is he tied it into his internal cage on the top side of the mount. without that it would probably have too much leverage on it.

the frame-rails are sleeved and the crossmember doesn't hang below them at all, I forget exactly how it bolts up.

[JeepFreak21]

the UCA mount is box tubing, what you can't see in the picture is he tied it into his internal cage on the top side of the mount. without that it would probably have too much leverage on it.

the frame-rails are sleeved and the crossmember doesn't hang below them at all, I forget exactly how it bolts up.

IIRC, The ends of his crossmember are capped and the caps have holes in them. There are nuts on the back of the holes and the bolts go straight through the framerail into the holes/nuts.
Billy

[Incredible Hulk]

Based on the pics posted, it looks as though the stock header and down tube will not fit? Is that just the pic angle? Anyone have experience here? Will an all new custom down tube be required?
I am very curious to see how this comes out..... put me on the list.

[Jeff 98XJ WI]

Take a look here for more pics of URF stuff:

http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/pictures?userid={0641A5A9-DB40-46BE-9569-B61D5BC8B151}&albumid={B3D02FCC-E1FD-4BE3-B066-A64F50E00DDF}

That's one of Jes's photo albums. Jeff

[CRASH]

Jeff is too smart, catching onto our top secret photo albums.

Billy's and Brett's descriptions are correct. As far as a header, it works on my pacesetter, and we also got it to work on Jes's OEM unit, both with minor to major surgery, depending on your welding skillz!.. It's tight of course, just like everything else. Less than 1/2" of clearance under full compression. But that seems like yards when the bigger challenge is sneaking 2.5" tubing into a 2.875" space between an NV4500, a crossmember, and the floorboard.

http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/standard?pictid={2882287F-6819-4E17-A5B3-6C181E4A6ADD}&

http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/standard?pictid={4D89C63A-9889-42E3-BA82-5E570A3C87B0}&

http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/standard?pictid={7C8782C5-11B1-4B39-8F5C-8372148B5EB1}&

See, it bolts on......

CRASH

[Ron4x4]

How are you running your Exhaust? I can't see how the header and the down tube will fit?

[CRASH]

Into the cab. It allows me to delete the heater core, thereby saving weight. It's only loud under full throttle......sometimes I get a headache.

CRASH

[HodgePodge]

Try a potato on the end of the pipe, and bacon on the manifold Should quiet it down a bit, and you will have a tasty potato by the time you get to JV :)

[Jes]

Take a look here for more pics of URF stuff:

http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/pictures?userid={0641A5A9-DB40-46BE-9569-B61D5BC8B151}&albumid={B3D02FCC-E1FD-4BE3-B066-A64F50E00}

That's one of Jes's photo albums. Jeff

Damn you! :nono:

[Porch Puppy]

Looking good Jes. :eyes:

[Jeff 98XJ WI]

Damn me? You've posted the link before. Secrets are for the WCGIC I guess. :rolleyes: Jeff

[basalt51]

Will it be available in bronze powdercoating?

[Goatman]

Damn me? You've posted the link before. Secrets are for the WCGIC I guess. :rolleyes: Jeff

Jeff......he's teasing. :)

[Jeff 98XJ WI]

Jeff......he's teasing. :)

Really? I was so concerned...sarcasm...! That's why the rolling of eyes. As a group, you folks do seem kind of stuck on secrecy though. :) I'll get a good look at your mods in person soon enough! Jeff

[jeeppowermj]

does it fit a MJ

[Phil]

You would need to do a little bit of cutting and welding to make it work on an MJ, I think, but it should still be mostly bolt-on.

[Goatman]

As a group, you folks do seem kind of stuck on secrecy though. :) I'll get a good look at your mods in person soon enough! Jeff

Unlike those who race to the Internet to post pics of their latest mods, we take the more responsible route and don't expose our modifications until they've undergone a few years of testing.








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:D

See ya in six weeks,

[CRASH]

More sweet fab work this weekend.......version 2.1 of the "kit" is even sweeter than the original. Stouter, svelter, more bling.

All the links are at the chomer this week, and the cross-member and axle are at the powder-coater.

Left to do: fab steering and track bar and send to gold plater. Install axle and test before BOTW 4.

CRASH

[ChuckD]

Cool, when does the episode air on the Discovery Channel? :D

[CRASH]

"The triumphs, the tirades, the tribulations and the the libations......next time on American Jackass"

CRASH

[Paul S]

[QUOTE=CRASH svelter,

CRASH[/QUOTE]

Now that is somethng that you just don't hear from the big name Mfgs.

I noticed that you & Jes are both running manual tranny's, will your kit work with an auto?

Paul

[FarmerMatt]

Nobody with an auto would be stupid enough to use this kit... I've had a tail light eliminator kit on order with these clowns for 3 years. They took my case of beer as payment & I haven't heard anything back. BBB is getting a complaint. URF are scam artists. & I've heard that one of the founders is kinda "shifty".

Matt

[Jes]

I've heard that one of the founders is kinda "shifty".

Matt

Damn, that's a low blow. :(

[ChuckD]

They took my case of beer as payment & I haven't heard anything back.


Now this is low, take a mans beer is like taking one life blood. At least I use to feel that way. ;)

[CRASH]

At this time, the "kit" is only available for manual trannies. I peaked under my wife's auto trans XJ last night, and it appears to be wicked-tight between the "pan" and the CV joint(I'm woefully unfamiliar with this type of transmission, as it has only appeared in my fleet when the vehicle was purchased by a female. Coincidence? Hardly, I think.)

However, I did have a vivid dream last night about how to make the UCA mount work.

Britney Spears was also there, and we never really got to the fabbing part.

CRASH

[ChuckD]

Britney Spears was also there, and we never really got to the fabbing part.

CRASH


Will she be the secret a guest star?

[CRASH]

Nobody with an auto would be stupid enough to use this kit... I've had a tail light eliminator kit on order with these clowns for 3 years. They took my case of beer as payment & I haven't heard anything back. BBB is getting a complaint. URF are scam artists. & I've heard that one of the founders is kinda "shifty".

Matt


Yes, but you did receive your bar-pin eliminator eminiators, right?

The tail light eliminators are in double-secret final testing. Ready any day now. I've been having employee problems, worker's comp costs have spiraled out of control.

It may have something to do with encouraging beer consumption while on the clock.

CRASH

[Kaczman]

Are you hiring? I can send a picture of my liver if you need references.

-Jon

[JeepFreak21]

Are you hiring? I can send a picture of my liver if you need references.

-Jon


:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

[Goatman]

Won't work with an auto......?

Then I'll have to remove my endorsement. No Goatman Signature Series 3 link from URF anytime soon.

[Jes]

This is how URF measures lift height...
http://www.fototime.com/{79D786A2-D190-4F0C-BE75-CBE482058B4D}/picture.JPG

[CRASH]

Coincidentally, that is also the minimum volume for fabrication lubrication!

CRASH

[FarmerMatt]

Crap fabrication lubrication = crap fabrication. Just think what you could do with quality lubrication....

Matt