Full width XJ guys

[crazy4mopar]

I started my full width project today, HP d-44 up front and 9",39" boggers,5:38's, .120 wall drivelines, Moser alloys all the way around, CTM's up front, a Spool and Detroit http://www.bigoffroad.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://www.bigoffroad.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif Hi-steer when my play $$ fund gets back up to par
The 9" almost done, Is there anything I should watchout for up front?
I'll be running the ford radius arms, wj 4.5 front coils on a 3" platform
and Adj. track bar. It seems like it will be pretty easy except the whole welding to cast deal, which won't be to hard either

[Fryphax]

Don't just look at the costs of the big ticket items, look out for the nickel and dime costs. Wheel studs and lug nuts alone cost me over 100 bucks.

[crazy4mopar]

Don't just look at the costs of the big ticket items, look out for the nickel and dime costs. Wheel studs and lug nuts alone cost me over 100 bucks.I got the COMPLETE front and rear end with everything attached for 18.00 :greensmok
That included wheels, brackets and lugnuts ;)

[small pederson]

ya the nickel and dime stuff CAN kill you so always be on the lookout for sweet deals at local auto parts stores and avoid at all costs buying shit from ford or chevy dealerships. as for the high steer arms, i remember reading somewhere that you want the ones with a slight angle where the tre connects :dunno: might want to look that one up on pirate.

edit. also make sure youre gonna clear your oil pan with your driver side upper arm bracket

[offroadman83]

All I can say is keep us updated with pics. I am going to be doing this to a project jeep my brother and I just bought. I may even do it to my 98!!===kyle

[crazy4mopar]

here is a pic from this weekends tear out and mock up
http://crazy4mopar.tripod.com/xjd44.jpg

[burntkat]

Why not go leafs?

I'm putting an AMC20 and D44 out of a Wagoneer into my 90, and decided to go leafs.

The $600 I'll save <springs, brackets, etc> will pay for my hydraulic winch. Plus, leafs are more predictable...

still a very cool build, though.. keep pics coming!

[BrettM]

I put leafs up front, and they work great for me. but if you get an F100/150 or Bronco front for cheap, it would be easier and probably cheaper to stick with coils.

[SeanP]

Lee, watch out for the front pinion angle if you are going with a big lift (7-8"+). Ask me how I know. My pinion angle was nasty just sitting on pavement, any droop would have maxed the front ujoint pronto. I corrected mine 13*. It's not that hard to do with an angle grinder, angle finder, three jackstands, ratchet straps, case of beer and a friend.

PM me if you need any help.

SeanP

[CW]

I just ordered a set of 7* poly c bushings to correct the pinion angle. The poly is stiff so I might be going with a wristed arm soon.

[Pete M]

I concur. The poly bushings are waaaay too tight. I'm going back to rubber ones next chance I get. Of course, I can do that because my control arms are pretty much parallel with the ground like they were on the Bronco. If the arms rake downward from more lift or higher mounting points, then the degreed bushings become necessary.
Jeep on!
--Pete

[crazy4mopar]

It's almost done!

http://crazy4mopar.tripod.com/s3010033.jpg
http://crazy4mopar.tripod.com/s3010036.jpg
http://crazy4mopar.tripod.com/s3010039.jpg

[CW]

Uh, wrist one of those arms if you wan't articulation. Atleast a sway bay won't be needed.:laugh3:

[crazy4mopar]

I'll have a wristed arm by Xmas.........I hope :)

[David Taylor]

How long before goatman is on to that mount ?" Holly low hanging long arm mount batman"

[burntkat]

wow. What is that, 1/2" plate? WAYYYY overkill, dude.

Also, what's the deal with the bend at the axle-side of the trackbar?

[BrettM]

is that panhard (trackbar) going to clear the oil-pan on compression?

[jjvande]

passenger spring lookas crazy...imagine it after compression with that TB

[crazy4mopar]

It's 3/4" plate.....No use doing it unles you over do it :shocked:
The trackbar is the stock Bronco one and is only there for measurements, I'm building a new one with Heim joints and .250 DOM
The front spring cups are being moved :lecture:

[jjvande]

It's 3/4" plate.....No use doing it unles you over do it :shocked:
The trackbar is the stock Bronco one and is only there for measurements, I'm building a new one with Heim joints and .250 DOM
The front spring cups are being moved :lecture:


cool, just pointing it out in case you were planning on driving it that way...you never know with some people. let us know (pics) how it develops!

cheers:repair:

[paul_xj04]

way easier to build a 3 link style. i did with 8" skyjacker coils and i drop out coils left and right. i could kept on going but there a pain to put back in by your self.
see:
http://img128.exs.cx/img128/750/Img035E.jpg

[Big Red]

That's some crazy flex Paul!!!

[paul_xj04]

need to 4link the rear, it has zero flex

[CW]

way easier to build a 3 link style. i did with 8" skyjacker coils and i drop out coils left and right.
It is not easier what so ever if you have an axle with cast mounts and event then it's still easier to go with the radius arms. I put super-flex joints on the frame rail ends and have articulation comparaple to standard "long arms", once I wrist my passenger side arm my articulation will rival yours, and that will have been the only reel fab. Plus if you go with a wristed radius arm setup to diconnect your "sway bar" (radius arms) you only have one bolt, and there is no need for sway linkages, which cuts back on fab work.

[Beezil]

That's some crazy flex Paul!!!

and totally unbalanced.

rear dictating what the rest of the jeep does.

been there done that, would rather light an unbalanced jeep on fire than drive one again

I know I'm sounding like I'm putting a flame on, but my message is purely technical.

you GOTTA have balance.

[nate]

Yeah I was thinking the same... I had to double check the pic to see if the rear wasn't welded to the unibody or something. I don't think it flexed 1" even.

[BIGWOODY]

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It's 3/4" plate.....No use doing it unles you over do it :shocked:HP d-44 up front ,39" boggers

you'll be on a first name basis with CTM and mosers' warrenty department......39 boggers on a 44 won't work , unless your real easy on it....

[basalt51]

Clearly you don't know Lee. Nobody's easier on a vehicle than Lee!!




















:roflmao: :moon: :roflmao:

[crazy4mopar]

Clearly you don't know Lee. Nobody's easier on a vehicle than Lee!!

:roflmao: :moon: :roflmao::firedevil

[crazy4mopar]

Well here is what I drove home on tonight! It rides smother than my old Cadillac
http://crazy4mopar.tripod.com/xjfront44.jpg
Some time in Jan. I'm going to do the hi-steer but there's to much stuff going on now....
(Damn holidays......) :laugh3:

[CW]

Uh, do you have your coil mount welded to the axle tube and mounted to the top of the radius arms? The C bushing does give during articulation and you are going to have problems down the road. Those mounts will break and you now have unescesary bind during articulation. I braced my coil mounts to the radius arms.
If they aren't bolted to the arms and are just mounted over them, I am going to steal your design so I can wrist an arm.:laugh3:

[BrettM]

they certainly look to be 1/2" (ish) plate bent and welded only to the tube and the inner knuckle, not touching the radius arms at all. look closely, save the picture and zoom in.

[CW]

Yeah ok. I've been racking my brain trying to come up with a way to mount my coils that would alow me to wrist my passanger side arm and that idea never even occured to me.:banghead:

[crazy4mopar]

The coil buckets are not mounted to the radius arms, they are about 1/2 above the top of the arms. I'm going to put a wristed arm on so this seemed the best way to do it.
http://crazy4mopar.tripod.com/xjfront441.jpg
It's on a 1/2" thick plate that is not going to break.....
I can't wait to get out on the rocks to try it out.
We jacked up each side up to see the results :wow: :wow: .
I'm impressed :D

[crazy4mopar]

they certainly look to be 1/2" (ish) plate bent and welded only to the tube and the inner knuckle, not touching the radius arms at all. look closely, save the picture and zoom in.Correct! It's a 1/2" above the arms

[CW]

How is your articulation with that setup? I cycled the suspension on my donor truck and it was not impressive, so I added superflex joints to the frame end.

[crazy4mopar]

I'll be testing it this weekend :)

[Big Red]

It looks good Lee. You should be having lots of fun with your XJ in the near future. Want to plan a snow run soon? Make sure to flex out your susp before you wheel it to check your driveshafts, shocks, brake lines, etc. How much of modification did you need to make to your driveshafts with those axles? I ask because I'm going to be running the same axles, minus the coils instead of leafs in the front. What gears, lockers, and tires are you running?
Troy

[crazy4mopar]

It looks good Lee. You should be having lots of fun with your XJ in the near future. Want to plan a snow run soon? Make sure to flex out your susp before you wheel it to check your driveshafts, shocks, brake lines, etc. How much of modification did you need to make to your driveshafts with those axles? I ask because I'm going to be running the same axles, minus the coils instead of leafs in the front. What gears, lockers, and tires are you running?
Troythe driveline,brakelines and shocks dropped right in from the D30
I'll be running 35's,5:13's spool in the rear and MAYBE a detroit up front If not a spool up front to!

[BrettM]

JUST SAY NO TO FRONT SPOOLS.


If you don't believe me, find someone with a front ARB and drive it on the trail with it locked for 1/2 hour, you'll see what I mean. I once drove through Gatekeeper with my ARB accidentally locked, I was about to turn around and go home because I thought my steering pump was dead, and the thought of doing a whole trail like that... I can't describe. Fortunately I figured it was the ARB by the time I got to the granite bowl, that would be infuriating.

Find a used lockright on ebay, leave it open, save for a detroit. anything but a spool up front. Sierra trails are tight enough without it.

[theslacker]

can you steer with a spool up front?

[BrettM]

yes, but not as well. it is no fun. I like to have fun when I wheel, therefore, no spool for me.

[Lucas]

Cool setup. It has to be better than what I saw last summer. Your CAs were damn near vertical! :laugh3:

[offroadman83]

I couldn't agree more with Brett---------My friend is spooled up front and everything he does in that jeep he has to strong arm it. He breaks rear driveshafts quite often because his beefed up chevy 350 is giving his RE leafs axlewrap problems. When this happens and he has to use front wheel drive to get him home, he has a hell of a time. Most of the time he just wants to leave his junk there as he just hates and regrets every second of it=========Kyle

[crazy4mopar]

Well after wheeling all summer with this setup I'm happy with it!!
I've run the Con, Fordyce and Hollister several times And only hit the radius arms once.
So I guess I can play with all you hardcore guys :laugh3:
I did make a few changes, in the gearing I went with 5:43 rears and 5:38 fronts:clap:
I also put in an Aussie locker up front.

[XJ_ranger]

Well after wheeling all summer with this setup I'm happy with it!!
I've run the Con, Fordyce and Hollister several times And only hit the radius arms once.
So I guess I can play with all you hardcore guys :laugh3:
I did make a few changes, in the gearing I went with 5:43 rears and 5:38 fronts:clap:
I also put in an Aussie locker up front.

for what tires?

your website says you are on 33's - then again my website says im on 235's

[crazy4mopar]

I fixed the web site....

[FarmerMatt]

Well after wheeling all summer with this setup I'm happy with it!!
I've run the Con, Fordyce and Hollister several times And only hit the radius arms once.
So I guess I can play with all you hardcore guys :laugh3:
I did make a few changes, in the gearing I went with 5:43 rears and 5:38 fronts:clap:
I also put in an Aussie locker up front.

Here's your chance... party1:
Nov. JV run. Wienie's need not apply (http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=66035)

[ArcticXJ]

...HP d-44 up front and 39" boggers,... Is there anything I should watchout for up front?


I think you answered your own question.

[crazy4mopar]

I think you answered your own question.
Except I stuck with 35's...

[crazy4mopar]

Well it's been 3+ years now and no broken parts or complaints, Hell my XJ even takes to the sky's now and then http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7Ysulov84A