Forget 44s and 8.8s...lets talk Toyotas

[Fergie]

Okay, dont want to do an 8.8 swap, and 44s are too damned expensive...buncha highway robbers...so a toyota axle is very good looking right now.

Here is what I have read/found out, so correct me where I am wrong, and add info where you can:

Find an axle from a 95.5 and up Toyota Tacoma 2wd. They are 5x4.5 bolt pattern, and the wms-wms is 60.75" and they are 30-spline.

The 2wd housing have 2 e-brake cables, similar to the 8.25 axle. By swapping the brake hardware from a 4wd axle, I can get rid of the one cable. The brakes are drums and are larger than 44 drums. I can't find the exact size, but I tihnk they are around 13". The metric lines are 10mm with a 1.00 thread and inverted flare, so adapters can be used for that.

I know I'll need to put new wheel studs in, and re-mount the spring perches. A 1310 adapter can be had also to mate the 3rd to a regular u-joint.

I know this is incomplete info, but I'll be getting more as the week goes on. If you have any other/more info, please weigh in and gimme your thoughts/opinions.

Thanks

Fergie

[xtremewlr]

Good info on toy axles here:

http://home.4x4wire.com/erik/diffs/

[themud]

Hey fergie theres a place down here in phx that I was gonna get one from with the whole rear end costing only 250 and the damn things were brand new!!! They had a few choices on gears 4.10s were the highest they had available..I was gonna do a yota 8 till I came across a smoking deal on a 44 Its in and done and I love the thing...
let me know if ya need more info..
themud
:cheers:

[Fergie]

Good info on toy axles here:

http://home.4x4wire.com/erik/diffs/
I have that site bookmarked already. It is a good source.

Mud- You got a PM.

Fergie

[baseballneal86]

What do you need new wheel studs for? Are the stock yota ones not long enough? I'm interested in this swap as well

[Fergie]

You ned to change the studs because the Yota ones are metric, and your front 30 studs are american.

You dont want to have to worry about different lugs and such.

Fergie

[woody431]

I think Brett is running a Toy 8" on his MJ..he might have some info for you

[Fergie]

Lincoln just helped me out a bunch witht some info on how to do it. Once I get mine finished, I'll get some pics up and a write-up.

Fergie

[Mcstiff]

Hey "themud", how common were E-locker dropouts?

[STROKER]

and dont forget some of the 8" toy axles have a factory installed E-locker....

[Fergie]

The e-lockers were an option on prerunner 2wd, and 4wds. If you look at the faq on pirate, they have a pretty comprehensive list.

One thing though. The Taco axles are the ones that are the correct wms-wms. They are the 8.4" not the common 8" axle that earlier vehicles had. You cannot interchange the thirds from 95.5 and up with 95.5 and older.

Fergie

[Safari Ary]

Ok, here's what I know.

The Taco's came with 8"s as long as they had the e-locker, otherwise they were 8.4's, and both are approximately 60" wide.

All third gen. 4-runners have 8"s that are approximately 60" wide, some with e-lockers, some without.

Factory gear sets include 3.55, 3.73(3.55 and 3.73 I'm only 80% sure of), 4.10, 4.30, 4.56, and the rumored 4.88

As far as I knew the 2wd axles were 7.5"s and were 27 spline(or something less than 30).

It is not possible to redrill factory 8" shafts to 5x4.5 without serious machine work. It would be better to have alloy shafts custom made or use spacer/adaptors to achieve the 5x4.5 bolt pattern.

I do not know anything about Toy drums or Toy e-brakes as I converted my 8" to discs and don't currently have an e-brake.

You will need a driveshaft flange adaptor to convert the 8"'s third member flange to a u-joint style. This will cost around $20-30

You can get a disc brake kit from www.sky-manufacturing.com for a decent price. I used their brackets, monte-carlo calipers(caddy e-brake calipers without the e-brake) and Geo Tracker 4-door rotors. The sum total for the conversion cost me $150. This setup would be used when redrilling the shafts to 5x5.5 like I had done.

Any questions?

Ary

[Fergie]

The way Lincoln explained it for his father's YJ was like this:

Find a 4.10 geared, e-locked Taco axle.
Cut off and remount the spring pads where they are suppossed to be for an XJ.
Use 88 Chevy 1/2T light duty rotors with 79-85 Caddy calipers and Sky bracket.

You can either turn the center indexing part of the shaft down, or turn the rotors out to fit over the shaft. The rotors from Sky are already like this.

Then you can redrill for the proper bolt pattern. One of the holes will overlap, so leave the stud in, and cut it until it is flush with the flange surface, that way there will be plenty of material to drill through. You can ream the holes for pressed in studs, or thread them for screw in type, just make sure you dont overdrill if you are going to ise the screw in type.

Redrill the rotors to the correct bp, and there you can let one of holes overlap without a problem. Then assemble the whoel thing and the stock e-brake cables will fit the new Caddy calipers.

TW can supply you with an adapter for the Toyota flange to a 1310 joint.

Again, this is allinformation that was given to me by Lincoln on his Dad's swap of a Yota axle into a YJ.

Fergie

[Mcstiff]

According to the faq on pirate; there is a 8", 30spline, 2wd housing and you can run a Taco E-locker dropout with it. :thumbup:

[Fergie]

According to the faq on pirate; there is a 8", 30spline, 2wd housing and you can run a Taco E-locker dropout with it. :thumbup:
Not with a 5x4.5 bolt pattern. E-lockers came in Prerunners and were all 6 lug.

An e-locker will not go into a standard Tacoma housing unless the standard cuts are made PLUS all of the stud holes need to be plugged and new ones drilled. The Tacoma third members do not share the same pattern as the older third memebers.

There is NOT a Taco axle that is 4.10, locked and 5x4.5 in a factory option.

Fergie

[Mcstiff]

Just relaying what I was told by the toyota guys on PBB. The mods you talk about do not sound very involved (cutting, grinding, and welding) What I understand is that there is a 8" housing with 5x4.5 30 sp axles and, with some easy work, you can run a 8" E-locker dropout in it. Link to PBB FAQ (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=170933)

[Fergie]

Are you referring to an 8" from a 'mini' truck or an 8.4" from a Taco?

Fergie

[Mcstiff]

I guess I ment "mini truck" not "taco" it is all yota to me ;) Link to what I am talking about, just in a 2wd housing with 5x4.5 axles (http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/tech/electric_locker/)

[mississippi_xj]

There is NOT a Taco axle that is 4.10, locked and 5x4.5 in a factory option.

Fergie

how about 4.56?

also... anyone have any info on how to ID a fj80 to see if it has the e-locker option?

found one at a yard just a few minutes from the house.....

[Fergie]

how about 4.56?

also... anyone have any info on how to ID a fj80 to see if it has the e-locker option?

found one at a yard just a few minutes from the house.....

You'll either need to find a 2x4 V6, swap 3rds, and add a Detroit/arb/lockright or you will need to find a 4x4 e-locker version, convert to discs, and redrill to 5 on 4.5 bolt pattern.

HTH

Fergie

[mississippi_xj]

thinking maybe just grap a taco rear with 4.10's, slap on some spacers/adapters in the rear, slap some spacers on the front and run stock wheels.... may be one of the cheaper routes if I can actually find one with a reasonable price......

[BrettM]

it would be cheaper to get 2 pairs of wheels with different bolt-patterns and get just one adapter in-case you ever need the spare tire. or use it as a good excuse to swap a D44 front (what I did :D ). Lincoln had a Taco rear with the normal diff and 5 on 4.5 bolt-pattern, I didn't know such an animal existed until I saw it, he may still have it for sale, I would consider this to be THE best (non-custom) axle for anyone keeping the D30 front.

[AZ DESERT RAT]

Hey Fergie.....let me know if you decide to do this or nedd mîze measurements.....I work `t an%import rrecking yard down here and have a ton of toyta axles laying around, that I can�probably pick up for diBt cheap...

[Lincoln]

The supid ass Lincoln just redrilled his 6 lug to 5.

Most, 90%, of my toyo axle info is from Lincoln. I have a bunch of pics of the process he did, and info. If you need it, then ask me and I'll PM you.

He gets cranky.

Fergie

How did I miss this thread?

I just wish you were closer so I could thump you in the head. :D

I'm working on putting all that crap and research together. I also came up with my own way to wire the e-locker. Works with a standard on/off switch and no resistors. Seems a little easy to do also.

And yes, I still have that 5x4.5 axle laying around. You won't find an e-locker in that pattern though, which is why I didn't end up using it.

[mississippi_xj]

hey lincoln..... what width is that axle? you want to get rid of it?

could you swap in the e-locker? I think I may have found one out of a trd 4x2.....

scotty

[mississippi_xj]

BTW.... I read your build up Brett... I really like your truck.

[BrettM]

the e-lockers are the 8" diff, Lincoln has the Tacoma (aka 8.4) diff. the shafts have the same splines, so it may be possible to get it to work together, but it's not a bolt together operation.

If you find a TRD axle with e-locker, your best bet would be to get the whole axle and get those shafts redrilled.

thanks for the compliment, I've been very happy with how well my truck works

[mississippi_xj]

yeah... that is what I was thinking... only I like my current (factory) wheels, so Just use spacers/adapters and not even worry about re-drilling.....

those axles are pricy for sure.... expecially when I consider having to regear everythong to 4.88...... been looking around online and the best I can find is $800.... I hope to find something locally somewhat affordable.....

[Fergie]

You'll either need to find a 2x4 V6, swap 3rds, and add a Detroit/arb/lockright or you will need to find a 4x4 e-locker version, convert to discs, and redrill to 5 on 4.5 bolt pattern.

HTH

Fergie

[Lincoln]

Bingo.

Some facts:
Every Tacoma axle I have measured is 60-60.5".

2x4 V-6 Tacoma has 30 spline shafts, 5x4.5 pattern, and the smaller roughly 10x2 brakes. The stud pattern as well as the stud size on the third member differs from the 8" toy axle.

2x4 4 cyl Tacomas has smaller (don't know the sizes) 27 spline shafts and 5x4.5 pattern.

Anything with an e-locker is the 8" toy housing.

It's not a simple redrill on the shafts to obtain the 5x4.5 pattern. The center hole of the toyota brakes (12" flavor) is about 4.25". This leaves every stud about 1/2 way out of the drum. Even if you felt that was acceptable the center of the shaft would still have to be cut flush with the drum so the wheel would fit. This is why I chose to convert to disks. Everyone is using 1/2 ton Chevy rotors and hogging the center hole out to fit over the axle. I had the center of the shaft cut to fit inside the rotor, then redrilled the shaft. The back side of the shaft has to be cut some to make room for the stud heads also. Converting to disks also makes it so you don't have to carry the brakes (or just backing plate) on the spare shafts.

No all the Toyotas have the axle seal in the same place. Some have ABS tone rings whether they have ABS or not which moves the seal inward. The regular non ABS shafts won't work in those housing because the non ABS shafts tapper quicker and the collar can't be made to line up.

Sorry I'm tired of typing.

[MC-92]

has anybody tried swapping the 5 lug (v6 2wd) taco shafts into a 6lug (v6) 4 runner 8" housing ???????

[xj95]

HI

can you tell me what wms mean

thank you

[Fullsizexj]

HI

can you tell me what wms mean

thank you
the face where the rim mounts to to the otherside face where the rim mounts

[Lincoln]

has anybody tried swapping the 5 lug (v6 2wd) taco shafts into a 6lug (v6) 4 runner 8" housing ???????

I tried to swap the 2x4 v-6 ('98) shafts into a 2002 prerunner housing with the electric lock. The electric lock housings were still the 8" housings at that time. The largest problem I had was the ABS tone ring. Even though both were non-abs the 2002 housing had the tone ring which moves the placement of the outter axle seal. The seal rides on the retaining collar which ended up being about an 1" off.

Also if I remember right there was about 1/4-1/2 difference in length. I don't know if that was due to the ABS stuff or not. You would have to measure the shafts to be safe.

Remind me next week to post a few pictures. I'm packing right now to go visit the parents and won't be back until Sunday.

[mbryson]

I was chatting with Von at Rocklogic about this just this afternoon. Seemed like a SWEET way to chuck the D35........(and you don't get the cool c-clips of the 8.8). They have it all worked out and under an XJ at the shop (along with a sweet long arm kit).

www.rocklogic4x4.com

[XJEEPER]

Got time to talk to Von but not return my call.............nice.

Only downside I see is if you run a stock BS's wheel, the Toy diff that he's running puts the tires too close to the leaves. This could easily be solved with a 1.5"billet adapter to space the rear track width out or some 3.75" BSed wheels.

[HoodRichXJ]

Can some one guide me in the right direction on these toyota swaps. The Rocklogic site didnt really offer up much help, and i seem to find conflicting information from everyone.

[BrettM]

Can some one guide me in the right direction on these toyota swaps. The Rocklogic site didnt really offer up much help, and i seem to find conflicting information from everyone.
what do you want to know?

here are the basics:

1. get 60" wide Toyota axle from 4runner or Tacoma
2. relocate spring perches and shockmounts
3. convert brakelines to metric by reflaring or adapters
4. get 1310 flange for driveshaft from High Angle Driveline

[HoodRichXJ]

does the bolt pattern have to change, and which models trucks can i get this axle out of?

[BrettM]

most are 6 lug (6 on 5.5) so they work well with a front D44 swap. there are some 2wd V6 ones that supposedly have 5 on 4.5 like an XJ and are the same 8" diff, but I have never seen one. If you go looking for one of those, just beware of the 7.5" diff.

[Fergie]

The easiest swap will be this:

Find a 2wd V6 version so you get the following:
-5 on 4.5 bolt pattern
- ~60.5" wms-wms
- 30 spline shafts

The 8.4"/8.25" is a misnomer, all the diffs are 8", the housings are just different.

Once you find an axle like above, you will need to:
swap the 3rd member for the correct gearing
add a locker(lockright, no-slip, Aussie, ARB or detroit are the only available)
grind off old mounts and weld on new ones
shorten driveshaft and buy Toyota to spicer adapter
adapt all brake lines(hydraulic and e-brake)

And I think that about covers it. I have put everything together so far for super cheap. The axle was $150, the no-slip was $50, and the 3rd member swap was free. All told, this will end up less than $500 for everything.

Fergie

[BrettM]

yep, I love my Toy axle, $350 for a locked axle with 4.88s, stronger than a D44 with better clearance than a D35. :D

[HoodRichXJ]

what year 2WD V6 models should i look for??

[HoodRichXJ]

Is it feasble to run disc brakes on this rear? if so is it a factory swap out or a kit from someone? thanks

[Fergie]

Go for 95.5 and up, until they switched to the new Taco, 2005 I believe.

Stay away from 4cyl 2wds as they have 27 spline axle shafts. Also, unless you want to do major machining work, make sure you get the 2wd V6...and only that, much less hassle.

Fergie

[MC-92]

First off.. the 95.5 - 2004ish Tacoma is NOT an 8" axle..... It is in fact a tad larger... the ring gear(altho' minimal) is a smidge larger...... The pre Tacoma 8" thirds WILL NOT FIT in the Tacoma housing....... If you want a 60" wide 8" with factory 4.88's look for a 94-95 4runner LIMITED with factory 31" tires..... The axle code will be G144.....This will be a 6 lug axle but with some machine work it can be redrilled......

The 2wd, V6 Tacoma axle is infact a 5x4.5 BP..... I can post a pic if needed as I have one in the driveway......

There is NOT a bolt on disk brake kit for a 5x4.5 Tacoma axle......

The ONLY gear option (that I have found) for the v6, 2wd Tacoma is 3.15..... Precision is supposed to be the only supplier for aftermarket gears..... It is possible to use cheaper 8" V6 (pre-tacoma) gears with a spacer... looking more into that now.......

I have BOTH type of axles in the driveway... a '91 V6, 2wd from a 1 ton with 5x4.5 BP and a V6, 2wd Tacoma with 5x4.5 BP.... I can take pics. and measurements if needed.......

[HoodRichXJ]

well damn that kinda shoots that idea down? so you can this v6 2wd rear be regeared to say 4:88? and if a limited 4runner rear is found can new shafts be made with 5 on 4.5 bolt pattern by someone such as dutchman? thanks

[MC-92]

The disk kit is doable... just not in a 5x4.5 BP..... you would have to have the shaft and Chevy disk re-drilled......

yes you can have new shafts made for the 4 runner rear....... or you can have them machined to fit..... I believe that Lincoln had that done he may be able to give you better info...... Thats why I was thinking about swapping 5 lug Taco shafts into the 4.88 4 runner housing.......

I decided to go with the Tacoma becouse of the beefier carrier..... It has braces to help strengthen it up to help fight pinion breakage... I believe it's worth it in my opinion........

Also, the 91-94 IFS toy rears are 56-57" wide... at least mine is...... The leafs on the XJ are 46" outside to outside.... the axle retaining bolt are 48" inside to inside...... Spacers would be needed to keep the tires off the springs..... IMO

Yes... the Tacoma can be regeared to 4.88... kinda pricey at 250 a set... but worth IMO......

[BrettM]

can you put a 4wd Taco third (wrongly called an 8.4) into a 2wd V6 Taco axle? or can you put 2wd V6 shafts into a 4wd Taco axle? That would give you more factory gearing options.

[BrettM]

Also, the 91-94 IFS toy rears are 56-57" wide... at least mine is...... The leafs on the XJ are 46" outside to outside.... the axle retaining bolt are 48" inside to inside...... Spacers would be needed to keep the tires off the springs..... IMO



The Pickup 8" from 86-94 is 58.5" wide and is too narrow for the brake drums to clear the leaf springs on an XJ. You would need to inboard the leaf springs and run wheelspacers or 2" BSed wheels to use one of these axles under an XJ. Get a 60" wide Toy axle.

[Fergie]

can you put a 4wd Taco third (wrongly called an 8.4) into a 2wd V6 Taco axle? or can you put 2wd V6 shafts into a 4wd Taco axle? That would give you more factory gearing options.
Yes you can put a 4x4 third into a 2wd housing. All the shafts are the same spline count, the ABS ring is the only determining factor.

All the 3rds are interchangeable between the non TRd, non -locked, non 2wd 4cyl Tacos.

Fergie

[Fergie]

The Pickup 8" from 86-94 is 58.5" wide and is too narrow for the brake drums to clear the leaf springs on an XJ. You would need to inboard the leaf springs and run wheelspacers or 2" BSed wheels to use one of these axles under an XJ. Get a 60" wide Toy axle.
Thank you!

Also, unless you have access to machining for cheap, then get the right BP. Otherwise, you need the axle shafts turned down in the center so you have enough material to redrill the BP. You will also need to leave in a stud and redrill through it.

Fergie

[MC-92]

The Pickup 8" from 86-94 is 58.5" wide and is too narrow for the brake drums to clear the leaf springs on an XJ. You would need to inboard the leaf springs and run wheelspacers or 2" BSed wheels to use one of these axles under an XJ. Get a 60" wide Toy axle.

My P/U 8" is from a 91' 1 ton. maybe the 1 ton has something to do with it but it deffinately is NOT 58.5" wide........ Stay away from the 1 ton units they are more trouble than they are worth ....

are the 4 cyl 4x4 Taco thirds 30 spline... ???

[Fergie]

Yes, they are 30 spline shafts. Only the 2wd 4cyl models are 27 spline.

Fergie

[kewlkatdady]

I'm still trying to figure out why this is better than the 8.8?

any takers?

[Fergie]

I'm still trying to figure out why this is better than the 8.8?

any takers?
Better clearance. Just as strong, or even more so. No c-clips.

And the axles are abundant enough that you dont get raped on the price like you do a 44 or 8.8.

You end up doing the same amount of work on it as far as mounts and such. The Taco axle is a much better option in my opinion than an 8.8 or 44.

Fergie

[BrettM]

kewlkatdady-
I don't know how many times I've said this, but just for you I'll say it again:

better because:

Locked, geared, stronger than D44, better clearance than D35, for $350.

[MC-92]

Yes, they are 30 spline shafts. Only the 2wd 4cyl models are 27 spline.

Fergie

Thats kinda what I thought... I dont guess they have a 4.88 factory ratio like the 8" do they ????.... haven't looked into that too much... I know there is a 4.56 but don't think there's a 4.88........

[Fergie]

Thats kinda what I thought... I dont guess they have a 4.88 factory ratio like the 8" do they ????.... haven't looked into that too much... I know there is a 4.56 but don't think there's a 4.88........
From reading on POR, the 4.88s are very uncommom option on 4Runners, but I don't recall which years.

Fergie

[MC-92]

From reading on POR, the 4.88s are very uncommom option on 4Runners, but I don't recall which years.

Fergie


Once again... the 4runners ARE NOT THE SAME AXLES AS A TACOMA.........The 4 runner is a 8" ... the Tacoma is a 8.4"..... Whether some people wanna call it a 8.4 or not is a personal choice... BUT THEY ARE NOT THE SAME....the 4.88's are in LIMITED 4 runners with 31" tires...... usually '94-'95 yr models...



Be clear that we are talkin about 2 different axles here.......

[Vonski]

I know I'm waaaaay late chiming in on this thread, but I have a '97 XJ with a Toyota 2wd V6 rear axle (8" housing) w/ e-locker and 4:10's. I have done my best to share this experience/knowledge on local boards and such (mostly because of my own dislike for the more common swaps, but nearly all those XJ owners have been reluctant to accept this as a possible swap. After owning a Toyota comp./trail rig with an e-locker and having an employee that has been running high and low pinion e-lockers in 8" housings for the last 8 years, it was the only option I considered to replace my D35.

Anyway, if anyone needs any info or specs, just ask...

[BrettM]

awesome! what year and model? did it come with the e-locker third or did you swap that from a different vehicle? just give us the full writeup ;)

[HoodRichXJ]

I second that write-up! steve

[MaineZJ]

Anyone know the strengths od Yota axles? Trying to add them to the D35/44/60 8.25/8.8 list

[Fergie]

Anyone know the strengths od Yota axles? Trying to add them to the D35/44/60 8.25/8.8 list
Try the Toyota Truck section FAQ on Pirate.

Fergie

[gmanxj]

I just talked to Vaughn @ RockLogic in SLC about the toy swap he did in his 97 XJ. I was able to get a lot of useful info about years and model types for the swap. He did an early axle swap and then bought a later style 8" e-locker and then modified the housing to accept the new 3rd member. He mentioned that a disc brake conversion would be simple after this swap if I was not content with the factory drums

Anyone interested in this same swap should call him.

[MaineZJ]

I've read the whole thread about Toy axles on POR.

gmanxj : Why not post the info you got here?

[MaineZJ]

Brett - you didn't use a Taco rear did you? otherwise- did you deal at all with the width differnce between the 8" and the 44?

[BrettM]

I used the "IFS rear", 8" diff from an 88 pickup. It's 58.5" wide and my front D44 is about 3 inches wider. I like having the rear narrower, it helps the rear tires to better get around rocks.

[haynesn12]

i hate to bring up an older thread but i got some questions. i picked up a toy housing today for free. it came out of a 4cyl truck thats all i know. how hard would it be to make this work under my mj? can i put a third member and shafts out of one that has the right bp or should i just junk it?

[Fergie]

What year is the axle? And was it a 4x4 or 4x2 truck?

[haynesn12]

i dont know the year because it had just been left at the shop and no one could tell me. i know it came from a 4X4

[Fergie]

I'd pull the axles and see if they are 30 spliners or not. If not, then toss it.

You cant swap the shaft for the correct BP. You can redrill or have custom ones done. The axle will work under your Mj. Relocate the perches, and adapt the brake lines from metric to SAE.

[haynesn12]

if you dont mind me asking. what are the differances between the shafts? cause i just thought if i used a 3rd member and shafts from the correct axle it would work. i guess i was wrong

[Fergie]

if you dont mind me asking. what are the differances between the shafts? cause i just thought if i used a 3rd member and shafts from the correct axle it would work. i guess i was wrong
Well, I was thinking Taco shafts, which are differnt from 4cyl to 6cyl, but only in 2wd versions, so I could be incorrect.

BrettM will know more on the early Toy axles than I do. Shoot him a PM, or wait until he responds.

Fergie

[haynesn12]

alright will do. and thank you for the quick responses

[Lincoln]

Just pull a shaft and check the splines. Some were 27 spline. Also measure the spring perch width on the MJ and then see where they end up on the toy. An early axle may be to narrow between the backing plate.

[haynesn12]

they have 30 splines

[BrettM]

if it's 85 and earlier it is only 55" wide and won't fit. If it's 86-95ish it will be 58.5" wide and barely fit. What I mean by barely is that you will have to run about 3 inch backspacing or less with a 15x8 and 12.50 tire and it will still rub the frame a just a little. If it's 95ish and later it will be 60" wide and a good cantidate. I don't know jack about the 8" shafts with 5 on 4.5 bolt pattern. If you get the 6 lug shafts redrilled for 5 on 4.5 you will also need to get the center flange turned down to fit the hole in a 5 on 4.5 wheel.

[Lincoln]

If you get the 6 lug shafts redrilled for 5 on 4.5 you will also need to get the center flange turned down to fit the hole in a 5 on 4.5 wheel.

The studs end up falling off the edge of the center hole in the drum. The only way to redrill to 5x4.5 is to convert to disks.

[haynesn12]

so what is the best way to do this rear end swap. i really wanna do it cause its not as common as a 8.8 and the rear end was free.

[Cherokee91Red]

The studs end up falling off the edge of the center hole in the drum. The only way to redrill to 5x4.5 is to convert to disks.

V6 2wd '95-up tacos use a 5x4.5 BP

[haynesn12]

well i fitted the housing up under my truck today and its to narrow. the spring perches are right at the ends so. it wont work. i'll find something else to put it in. are there any other good axle swap canidates because i wanna do somthin different then an 8.8 or a 44.

[Dirk Pitt]

well i fitted the housing up under my truck today and its to narrow. the spring perches are right at the ends so. it wont work. i'll find something else to put it in. are there any other good axle swap canidates because i wanna do somthin different then an 8.8 or a 44.

A Sunray or Diamond 9" center with Mog 404 or 416 outers would definitely be different around here. Of course then, you would have to match the front.

[XJ_ranger]

A Sunray or Diamond 9" center with Mog 404 or 416 outers would definitely be different around here. Of course then, you would have to match the front.
like this?
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=357386


Ford 9" with D60 outers front and rear for front and rear steer!!!! yeah!

here is the trick bould though IMO - Hummer/9"

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=420269&highlight=hummer+hub

[Dirk Pitt]

like this?
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=357386


Ford 9" with D60 outers front and rear for front and rear steer!!!! yeah!



That's the one, only those are not 60 outers. It's Mog 416.

[XJ_ranger]

That's the one, only those are not 60 outers. It's Mog 416.

i know - i was actualy listing 3 different hybrid axles there, just didnt space out my responce or format it well enough to convey my thoughts

[twisted94]

How about the Early Bronco 9 inch?

[creeperjeep]

Fergie, crayon writer,

did you ever complete the taco swap?
How did it go, if yes?

Ive got a built rotated waggy front that Im looking to match to a 6 lug e-locker taco axle.
It looks like all Id have to do to the taco axle is regear-488 and re weld perches.

there isnt any snags regearing a elocker 410 third to 488 is there?

[XJ_ranger]

there isnt any snags regearing a elocker 410 third to 488 is there?

the 6 cyl toyota gears are different than the 4cyl toyota gears, and the e-locker wont fit in a standard 3rd member, you need a specific E-locker third member to have it fit...

other than that - i dont know

[creeperjeep]

from what ive read the elocker gears are same a a turbo4/6cyl
the plan is to get a complete axle from the wrecking yard.
i looked and theyre about 600-700+

[zak8642]

hmmmm

[Lincoln]

from what ive read the elocker gears are same a a turbo4/6cyl
the plan is to get a complete axle from the wrecking yard.
i looked and theyre about 600-700+

Yes the taco e-locker still uses the old style third and the turbo4/v-6 gears. Gearing is just like the old style toy's with side adjusters but be prepared to spend some $$ on the bearing. The pinion bearings on the v-6 housings are expensive but the bearing on the actuator side was the most expensive one. I couldn't find a good picture of it.

Also make sure you run a good vent line and pull the motor and check for moisture. The copper spot was where one of the pickups for the limiting switch was. Completely coroded away. It's a not replaceable part and a new motor is $500. We found a used one for $200. Little crap like that makes me not want to deal with one again.
http://home.rmci.net/lincoln/tacoma/elock_parts-1.jpg