Rocky Mountain Chapter: Colorado

[JohnJohn]

Any interest in starting an official Rocky Mountian Chapter that would cover Colorado?

edit: I also posted this on the Coloroad-XJ List.

[old_man]

Any interest in starting an official Rocky Mountian Chapter that would cover Colorado?

edit: I also posted this on the Coloroad-XJ List.

Yes. I have been talking to Grant Barclay about this. He is working on setting up a NAXJA event later this summer here in Colorado. I would be willing to help in any way to get a NAXJA here in Colorado.

Tom Houston
Loveland, Colorado

[Fred]

I'd go for it, now. A few years back I wasn't so enamored of the idea. The list isn't as much fun as it used to be. :)

Fred

[JohnJohn]

I'd go for it, now. A few years back I wasn't so enamored of the idea. The list isn't as much fun as it used to be. :)

Fred

My thoughts exactly!!

[Tom R.]

It seems there are plenty of XJs in your state, so I hope it gets off the ground for you folks. If response is slow through this site, the CO list, etc, consider coordinating a gathering of CO XJers at the NAXJA CO event later this year to discuss the feasibility, interest, get names & email addys, and to set a date for an initial meeting to launch it. Best of luck in setting up the Chapter.

BTW, Rocky Mountain Chapter sounds a little to close to Intermountain Chapter. Maybe change it to 2nd Place Chapter? :roflmao: Sorry, couldn't resist!

[Kejtar]

Maybe change it to 2nd Place Chapter? :roflmao: Sorry, couldn't resist!

http://home.socal.rr.com/remi/pics/ha.gif Oh that is a good one :)

Wow... it looks like there is 35 of you guys in CO?? That's quite a few :D

[JohnJohn]

http://home.socal.rr.com/remi/pics/ha.gif Oh that is a good one :)

Wow... it looks like there is 35 of you guys in CO?? That's quite a few :D

Tom, errr.

Who says Intermountain anyway. I've never heard an East Coaster say "Hey guys lets go out West this year and ski the 'Intermountains'. SWEET DUDE." just jokin :loveu:

I know it's not a true gauge but we have over 400 members in the Colorado-XJ list alone. I think we are looking at over 50 easy, I say that with only 4 names so far. :twak: Since it's Rocky Mountain we could include WY and Hinkley could be our mascot. :D

[Eagle]

As a Director of NAXJA I'm all in favor of seeing members start chapters.

As a Director of NAXJA, I would be opposed to a chapter covering Colorado calling itself the Rocky Mountain Chapter. The Rockies run from New Mexico all the way to Canada. If you want to be a Colorado chapter, that's what you should call it.

JMHO

[YELLAHEEP]

I'm definitely IN! Let's get this rollin'! I would love to see our own forum section so that I can keep in better touch with the Colorado folks.

I'm more pumped up about starting a Colorado Chapter now more than ever - especially after all of this crap in dealing with that New York member/wannabe vendor gone bad.

I'm with Eagle on his statement as well. Rocky Mountain Chapter is too wide of a scope. Let's simply keep it Colorado.

Guess I'll go read up on what's posted here about starting a chapter and see what I can do to help!

[Grant]

I am interested too. It sure would be a good idea with the CO NAXJA event coming up in August.

The CO-XJ list sucks compared to 5 years ago, guess that's the reality of the list growing so large.

Grant

[WOLFMAN]

count me in

[JohnJohn]

This is nice to see.

I'm totally in on calling it the Colorado Chapter. I think we will have more than enough folks to get this started. I even have about 5-10 non NAXJA members that are willing to join NAXJA if we have a Colorado Chapter.

Now someone else needs to take the ball and run with it here. I am more than willing to support this with time and effort, however with me being a Vendor and all, I remember seing something against that. If this is true, who's up for it?

[woody]

John John

I don't see a problem with you being both a Jeep parts vendor and being involved with a prospective CO Chapter (at whatever level of participation you feel comfortable.)

Anyone with q?s feel free to PM, email, or call...

Thanks & keep up the good work

[Fred]

The so called "Intermountain chapter" is misnamed, it should be called the Great Basin chapter, since Utah is west of the Continental Divide and east of the Sierra Nevadas. :bs:

Fred

[Tom R.]

The so called "Intermountain chapter" is misnamed, it should be called the Great Basin chapter, since Utah is west of the Continental Divide and east of the Sierra Nevadas. :bs:

Fred
Hey Fred,

That would be true is it was a Utah-only chapter, to which it is not. BTW, Great Basin came up as one of the prospective names for our chapter.

[old_man]

I think Grant was wanting to do this and was working towards cranking it up, but he is getting busy with his racing. If he doesn't want to do it, I can put some serious effort and resources towards a Colorado/Mountain States NAXJA, but I don't want to step on any toes if there were others who have been working on this. I know that Grant is planning on working the NAXJA event this summer. All I want is to get things going and will simply help in the background if that is what it takes, but if more is needed, I can do what ever is necessary.

Tom Houston
Loveland, Colorado

[Fred]

Hey Fred,

That would be true is it was a Utah-only chapter, to which it is not. BTW, Great Basin came up as one of the prospective names for our chapter.
AHA, so you admit you are poaching our members from east of the Continental Divide. :lecture:
It was a joke, Tom. Do we need to go get a couple of beers? :)
I was halfway thinking of joining the intermountain chapter, anyway. That way I could webwheel Moab all the time. :cheers:

Fred

[Tom R.]

AHA, so you admit you are poaching our members from east of the Continental Divide. :lecture:
It was a joke, Tom. Do we need to go get a couple of beers? :)
I was halfway thinking of joining the intermountain chapter, anyway. That way I could webwheel Moab all the time. :cheers:

Fred
Heh heh, poaching :clap:

Yep, when you finally make it to Moab this October I'll buy you a couple.

[JohnJohn]

Heh heh, poaching :clap:

Yep, when you finally make it to Moab this October I'll buy you a couple.

Offer good for me too? We can go to Hinkley's new "Gentlemen's Club". :party:

[Fred]

Heh heh, poaching :clap:

Yep, when you finally make it to Moab this October I'll buy you a couple.

I hope, the piece of junk barely made it to Castle Rock last week. If I get a job so I can afford to fix it, probably won't be able to get the time off. It's a dilemma. :bawl:

Besides, I think I want to go to Bonnaroo. :laugh2:

Fred

[Tom R.]

Offer good for me too? We can go to Hinkley's new "Gentlemen's Club". :party:
Yep, you too JJ. But keep it :shhh:

[Grant]

This subject has come up a couple times previously. I am keen to see a chapter be formed. Colorado Chapter is fine with me, but what about the WY boys? Cheyenne is a lot closer to Denver than to SLC.

I have a hectic race and rally season in 2004, so I will give the chapter efforts my full support, however, I have very little time to contribute this year. I will help anyone who wants the job. Tom, JJ, Fred, YellaHeep, Crunch,- where is Nay? Led?

[Mike in NJ]

but what about the WY boys? Cheyenne is a lot closer to Denver than to SLC.

Wy-orado?

Color-ing Chapter (bring your own crayolas)

About time you guys got organized under a NAXJA banner.

...and since most of my wheeling the last couple of decades outside of the Northeast has been between the Front Range and the Escalante, I expect an honorary membership invitation when you get rolling. (My Intermountain one must have gotten lost in the mail, Jeffy!)

Mike in NJ :patriot:

[Nay]

I'd go for it, now. A few years back I wasn't so enamored of the idea. The list isn't as much fun as it used to be. :)

Fred


:moon:

[XJJPR]

I voted "No"

because I don't think a place like Co should have a chapter....


Do you guys actually show up to go wheeling??????

















































:D
:D

hinkley

[Nay]

This subject has come up a couple times previously. I am keen to see a chapter be formed. Colorado Chapter is fine with me, but what about the WY boys? Cheyenne is a lot closer to Denver than to SLC.

I have a hectic race and rally season in 2004, so I will give the chapter efforts my full support, however, I have very little time to contribute this year. I will help anyone who wants the job. Tom, JJ, Fred, YellaHeep, Crunch,- where is Nay? Led?


I am sitting back watching the people who tar and feathered me in public for suggesting...god forbid...that the CO-XJ list consider becoming a club...now talking about becoming a club. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Of course we should. :twak:

:moon: :moon: :moon: :moon: :moon: :moon: :moon: :moon: :moon:

I have no time for anything, but I'll do what I can. :clap:

Nay

[4ward]

Hinky, I figured they should name it the "I don't wheel in my own state" chapter :moon:

Sean

[Rev_Deadpan]

This subject has come up a couple times previously. I am keen to see a chapter be formed. Colorado Chapter is fine with me, but what about the WY boys? Cheyenne is a lot closer to Denver than to SLC.

I'd like to see it stick to the Rocky Mountain format... I'm in Northern New Mexico, but would gladly attend events in CO. (We do have a few decent trails down here as well... ;-)

I've actually let my NAXJA membership lapse because I wasn't doing anything with it, but some localized activity might get me more involved.

--Fillmore

[Nay]

Hinky, I figured they should name it the "I don't wheel in my own state" chapter :moon:

Sean

That's 'cause we're busy planning our next event in OHIO :gee:

Nay

[JohnJohn]

I voted "No"

because I don't think a place like Co should have a chapter....


Do you guys actually show up to go wheeling??????

:D
:D

hinkley

I show up everyday in front of my computer and wheel. Heck Fred and I are wheeling right now.

:music: "oooo Dream Weaver", I mean, oooo Dream Wheela. Gary Wright1975

[Led]

I'm here, I just joined to show my support for this idea. I'll help anyway I can!!
Led

[Cruzzin_XJ]

Count me in, let me know what i can do to help

[Fred]

:moon:
Gee, Dave, I think I'm in love. :smootch:

Fred

[Andy in Co.]

Graet idea? Do it let me know and I will come. As for Mark I just came back from 5 days in Moab with 12 jeeps from Colorado, yes we do show up. How many did you have on your last trip?

[XJEEPER]

Offer good for me too? We can go to Hinkley's new "Gentlemen's Club". :party:

Never use Hinkley and Gentleman in the same sentance.........you may give off the wrong impression..........

[XJEEPER]

Wy-orado?

Color-ing Chapter (bring your own crayolas)

About time you guys got organized under a NAXJA banner.

...and since most of my wheeling the last couple of decades outside of the Northeast has been between the Front Range and the Escalante, I expect an honorary membership invitation when you get rolling. (My Intermountain one must have gotten lost in the mail, Jeffy!)

Mike in NJ :patriot:

John will likely vote for Color-a-dooh.........and your honorary membership will follow your $100 honorary member dues.......

[XJEEPER]

Tom, errr.

Who says Intermountain anyway. I've never heard an East Coaster say "Hey guys lets go out West this year and ski the 'Intermountains'.

East Coasters say, "I'm going to Utah to ski the Greatest Snow on Earth"......don't flatter yourself, Rocky.

BTW, it wasn't my first choice, we wanted to include states like Idaho, NM and AZ and the members voted on it. If these states come up with their own chapters in the future, then a name change may take place......... so put a sock in it.

[Nay]

[QUOTE=XJEEPER]East Coasters say, "I'm going to Utah to ski the Greatest Snow on Earth"......don't flatter yourself, Rocky.

What are you talking about? East Coasters ski on frozen mud alongside rednecks in jeans during rainstorms. Smart East Coasters (there are a few) know that it is far cheaper to ski in Europe in an authentic ski culture rather than paying exhorbitant prices to ski in rich-boy playgrounds in the Western US. People on the East Coast don't even know Utah has mountains. Actually, besides memories of the Olympics, I don't think anybody knows that Utah has mountains. Lest you forget, just about the last thing Utah is known for is mountains :helpme: or skiing :eyes: .

On the bright side, that is why the purists love Utah (generally more snow than Colorado and fewer crowds).

We could also name the chapter "Southern Rockies", which is technically what these areas are considerd. This would cover Colorado and New Mexico, and the Southern Wyoming guys could certainly join in given proximity to Denver and virtually nothing else.

Nay

[Mike in NJ]

East Coasters ski on frozen mud alongside rednecks in jeans during rainstorms. . . . just about the last thing Utah is known for is mountains

Cruel viewpoint, but, all too true many times. Then again, better skiers come out of Vermont - having experience in all kinds of conditions. (tough transition for the powder boys - "edge? what's an edge?").

As for the mountains - well, as nice as the Wasatchs are - I've got to admit that the San Juans really get my blood pumping. (although Wyoming's Grand Tetons win the big prize) Then again, Utah sure has a better visual vertical drop (i.e. the Manti-La-sals over your shoulder while staring out over Dead Horse Point).

I hate both of you! :D (coming from a state with a High Point of 1180!!!)

Mike in NJ :patriot:

[old_man]

How are the chapters set up? Are the incorporated for liability reasons? I have a lawyer who owes me big time. I can get all the paperwork done for free. By the way, he owns a Cherokee. I helped him swap his tranny on my driveway last year.

By the way did you know that in Loveland, it is illegal to work on anybody elses vehicle on your driveway. You can work on yours, but heaven forbid you want to help out a friend. I got a citation today for helping my future son-in-law do some body work on his 4x4. What is this world comming to?

Tom Houston
Loveland, Colorado (I used to think it was the best town to live in)

[old_man]

I'm willing to hold an informal get together at my place to discuss setting up a chapter. I'll furnish my award winning BBQ. I won first place in the Oklahoma State Fair for my BBQ sauce. You will have to bring your own beer (as long as you behave yourselves). If you want you can park on my neighbor's lawn (see previous post).

I've got my own server and a bunch of IP addresses. I could put up a web page with space for everyone to do a bio and pictures so we could get to know each other. I have a hard time matching faces to rigs to sig names. Its interesting to go on a trail ride and start talking to someone and then find out that you have been conversing on the web for a couple of years.

The only hassle is that I live in Loveland, less an hour north of Denver. And to you guys in Denver, yes....that is north of 120th. The road doesn't stop there.

Tom Houston (aka old_man) (aka thhjr)
Loveland, Colorado

[JohnJohn]

I just sent a PM to Woody to ask him what the next step is. I have compiled a small list of those on the CO-XJ list that would like to join the new chapter and those that would like to join NAXJA if this Chapter happens. I will be sure to post here what Woody has to say.

[Fred]

That's a mighty generous offer for a cantankerous old man. :) The only jeep I have that will make it that far right now is the wife's WJ.
I think we have to get provisional approval of the BOD before we do anything else. I see nothing in the bylaws about how to go about doing that.

Fred

[planefixer]

I just sent a PM to Woody to ask him what the next step is. I have compiled a small list of those on the CO-XJ list that would like to join the new chapter and those that would like to join NAXJA if this Chapter happens. I will be sure to post here what Woody has to say.


Count me in.
Jeff

[old_man]

Cantankerous????? Haven't heard that word in a while. Hard headed, maybe, but thats from my wife, so it doesn't count, cause we've only been married 29 years and she barely knows me.

[JohnJohn]

I got Woody's email back, he is going to rtry to get us a temp chapter in the Forum Chapter section, but that may take a while. Unitl then he said it might be a good idea to compile a list of those NAXJA members that want to join the new Colorado Chapter.

So please forward the following information in an email to john@johnpaulsen.com. In the subject line please put NAXJA-Colorado. If you post here your information will have to be gathered manually and that may not happen. :D

1) full name
2) forum user name
3) location
4) wife's dress size...just kidding

Thanks,

[cagedxj]

If there was a local chapter I would join.

[Fred]

Judging from the location of this thread, it looks like it's up to us to get going on the chapter.
Anyone know the next step?

Fred

[old_man]

I would say we have a get together and see who is interested. I have offered to host a BBQ at my place in Loveland, but the guys from the Springs have a distance to drive. I can set up something in the Denver area, but with no BBQ. I was thinking in a week or 10 days. What evening of the week is best for everybody.

Tom Houston
Loveland, Colorado

[Crunch]

Jeez,
I really need to visit more often. I am totally in for a Colorado Chapter. With my ongoing job search among other things, I haven't had much time to spend on my XJs. This might just be what the doctor ordered.
I also like the idea of a meet and greet.
Count me in,
Crunch

[rj454]

[QUOTE=Grant]This subject has come up a couple times previously. I am keen to see a chapter be formed. Colorado Chapter is fine with me, but what about the WY boys? Cheyenne is a lot closer to Denver than to SLC. QUOTE]

I know it's a little overdone, but how about the Mile-High Chapter :worship: ?
That would identify us as Colorado based, but would not exclude XJers from Wyoming and New Mexico.
Also, a sponsored meeting place would be great, if it can happen, but an empty field would work too. Or even a close-by 'wheeling spot (Hayman Fire Area, Pikes Peak, Kingston Peak, etc.) and plan it for a weekend so we can "meet 'n' wheel"....whaddaya think?

RJ
'93- 3" lift- 32" tires
Englewood CO

[JohnJohn]

Boy I sure do like the sound of that. Mile High Chapter. I'm sure some UT dudes will gripe. I can hear the Intermountain Chapter already..."We're at 6,000 ft...heck with you 5,280ft'ers."

Anyone else for Mile High Chapter?

[rj454]

Hey John- :confused: I really wanna know what you think about a 'meet-n-wheel' gathering?

[Led]

Mile High chapter sounds cool!! I think this first meeting should be centered on getting eveything in motion not wheelin just my 2 cents
Led

[Kejtar]

Mile High chapter sounds cool!! I think this first meeting should be centered on getting eveything in motion not wheelin just my 2 cents
Led

With a name like that good luck attracting female members http://home.socal.rr.com/remi/pics/ha.gif

[JohnJohn]

Hey John- :confused: I really wanna know what you think about a 'meet-n-wheel' gathering?

<CAUTION OPINIONS BELOW, PROCEED WITH CAUTION>
I think as a group we need to have some sit down discuss about what we want to do, accomplish, and what goals each of us have. I don't want anyone to feel rushed and us miss some good input because some are trying to get out to the trail. I think this can happen sometimes when we meet at a trail head.

We all have wheeling buddies we go with, but forming a NAXAJ Chapter is MUCH more than that. There are really some "paperwork/sit down discuss" things that have to be covered before NAXJA will approve us a Chapter. These things are not going to take all day, and probably at the most 30-45 minutes. However some items may need to be covered before we hit the trail. (For example. Should all Chapter trail runs accommodate all rigs from stock to lock?) I think things like this need to be discussed before we all meet at a trailhead.

With that said, if you want to put together a trail run after the Meet and Greet, have at it. I personally think the first meeting should be more of a "poser/pavement" meeting, meet and greet. If the 6th looks like the go date, I will make sure that we have an agenda and a time line for the meeting itself. This should leave plenty of time for a Non-NAXJA Chapter ;) trail run. After all we have to be a Chapter before we can have Chapter runs. :)

[Tom R.]

Boy I sure do like the sound of that. Mile High Chapter. I'm sure some UT dudes will gripe. I can hear the Intermountain Chapter already..."We're at 6,000 ft...heck with you 5,280ft'ers."


I don't think anyone from Intermountain Chapter will gripe. :rattle: Besides, most of us here in Yewtah are below 5280' anyway. :)

Hey John- :confused: I really wanna know what you think about a 'meet-n-wheel' gathering?
Careful, he might mistake this for a group appetizer sampler! :lickout: :roflmao:

[JohnJohn]

I don't think anyone from Intermountain Chapter will gripe. :rattle: Besides, most of us here in Yewtah are below 5280' anyway. :)

You guys have been know to lie about measurements before. :moon: :clap:

[Static-XJ]

Sounds good to me.

[YELLAHEEP]

JohnJohn,

I totally agree with you. Let's keep the first meeting off the trail so that we can all concentrate on the important points. There will be plenty of time to meet-n-wheel after the Chapter gets off the ground.

[XJEEPER]

You guys have been know to lie about measurements before. :moon: :clap:

Easy there Fluffyface, or I'll be forced to out you to your constituants...........you can name it the "We think our mtns, snow and rocks are better than everyones" Chapter for all I care, just do it already!!
:smootch:

[old_man]

Just another name idea....Mountain States Chapter.

Before anyone goes off calling a run after the meeting a sanctioned run, let me remind you that there is no Chapter and won't be until the incorporation papers are filed. Also remember if you call it a sanctioned run, before we get insurance in effect, everyone on the run could be held liable for an accident.

I hate to be a wet blanket, but there are plusses and minuses of a club/chapter. The plus is we are going to have some good times, one of negative aspects is that we have to start thinking about the legal aspects. Not to protect NAXJA only but to protect ourselves. Personally I have a lot I don't want to lose. Once a decisioin to form a chapter has been made and approved I can have the incorporation paperwork done and filed within a week or so. Next comes insurance. I am looking into it as we speak. It seems that we will need to have another Chapter fee above and beyond the national fee in order to cover the costs. I need to check with a few people on the best way to handle this.

[JohnJohn]

Just another name idea....Mountain States Chapter.

Before anyone goes off calling a run after the meeting a sanctioned run, let me remind you that there is no Chapter and won't be until the incorporation papers are filed. Also remember if you call it a sanctioned run, before we get insurance in effect, everyone on the run could be held liable for an accident.

I hate to be a wet blanket, but there are plusses and minuses of a club/chapter. The plus is we are going to have some good times, one of negative aspects is that we have to start thinking about the legal aspects. Not to protect NAXJA only but to protect ourselves. Personally I have a lot I don't want to lose. Once a decisioin to form a chapter has been made and approved I can have the incorporation paperwork done and filed within a week or so. Next comes insurance. I am looking into it as we speak. It seems that we will need to have another Chapter fee above and beyond the national fee in order to cover the costs. I need to check with a few people on the best way to handle this.

Tom, I beleive our potential Chapter 's legal issues are handled through NAXJA. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

I am totally with you on a run after the "potential Chapter" meeting being a NON NAXJA event. If that run every happens, that is still up in the air. "That's a rock garden we can crawl over when we get to it." :D

[Fred]

That's the whole idea of being a chapter, that wheeling trips are covered by the NAXJA insurance, or so I thought. In the old days, we were told that a BOD member had to be along for it to be an official trip, but I doubt that is true.

Fred

I think I like the Mile High Chapter. party1:

[old_man]

We need to be careful on the insurance thing. If we incorporate as a non-profit, we need to basicly a subsidiary corp of NAXJA for the liability thing to work unless there is something especially written into the insurance contract. Even as a subsidiary, we would probably need a written waiver from the insurance company to make sure. I would like to be sure on this.

I'm not trying to be a pain, just cover all the bases. I would hate to start something up and everyone have the best of intentions, then all of us get hurt by an accident we thought we were covered for. Heck, I personally carry a $5 million personal liability policy just for potential problems.

[Yucca-Man]

Count me in

[jdogg4]

WOW I don't get on here much but how did I miss this whole setup. Rock on This has my support.

[crjeeper]

You guys have been know to lie about measurements before. :moon: :clap:
Hey johnjohn;
Speaking of measurements.....what was that you were so proudly pointing at this morning? (Not the bird you flew my way) but the "other" thing? New Samuri? So...uhhh, which one are you gonna drive to the M&G?
:moon:

[JohnJohn]

Hey johnjohn;
Speaking of measurements.....what was that you were so proudly pointing at this morning? (Not the bird you flew my way) but the "other" thing? New Samuri? So...uhhh, which one are you gonna drive to the M&G?
:moon:

I'm sure you have seen that gesture before. Probably on your two wheeled street rod. :finger: <-- Where is the little green finger guy on this forum anyway?

As for bashing my wife’s new TJ...all that smack from a guy whose wife made him sell his built CJ. sad...very sad. :D I'm just glad my bride knows what a TJ Rubicon is and even wanted one. :smootch:

Samuri...HA :D

[utahxjer]

[QUOTE=XJEEPER]
Actually, besides memories of the Olympics, I don't think anybody knows that Utah has mountains. Lest you forget, just about the last thing Utah is known for is mountains :helpme: or skiing :eyes: .

On the bright side, that is why the purists love Utah (generally more snow than Colorado and fewer crowds).

Nay
way to redeem yourself there! And generally?!? The resort I used to work at gets an average of 500" per year, while Vail gets an annual average of 300"

I actually like the "Mile High Chapter," sounds abit better than our Intermountain, oopppsss don't tell my Chapter I said that :anon:

[crjeeper]

I'm sure you have seen that gesture before. Probably on your two wheeled street rod. :finger: <-- Where is the little green finger guy on this forum anyway?
As for bashing my wife’s new TJ...all that smack from a guy whose wife made him sell his built CJ. sad...very sad.
Samuri...HA :D

Hmmmmm. Nope, never seen that finger on my cycle. Although anything is hard to see in those tiny rear views...ntm at passing speed
As for the CJ...... :tear: . "I wanted to sell it" errr(dude, the wife reads this stuff come on :shhh: )
Seriously, nice ride. Before I realized it was your wife, I moved over to let the ride pass so's I could get a better look(at the ride). looks like Jeep finally listened.

[JohnJohn]

Hmmmmm. Nope, never seen that finger on my cycle. Although anything is hard to see in those tiny rear views...ntm at passing speed
As for the CJ...... :tear: . "I wanted to sell it" errr(dude, the wife reads this stuff come on :shhh: )
Seriously, nice ride. Before I realized it was your wife, I moved over to let the ride pass so's I could get a better look(at the ride). looks like Jeep finally listened.

:D too funny. I'm trying to talk her :kissyou: into letting me drive it today.