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After looking at the "show of hands" thread, here are the results of the voting.
Yes:thumbup:-----------15
No:thumbdn: ------------ 3
Undecided. :looney: ---- 6
The yeses were:
ibenxj-----------Indiana
Less Limited-----Illinois
MN XJ-----------Minnesota
SeanR-----------Illinois
Scott Mac-------Michigan
WalterB---------Missouri
Four Wheeler----Michigan
acard-----------Iowa
Rufies97XJ------Ohio
Dark Pitt--------Indiana
Lawn Cher------Missouri
urban redneck---Illinois
poison----------Missouri
Bones----------Missouri
Tim MN---------Minnesota
bgcntry72
01-31-2004, 19:57
The people who matter know that WI is in, at least my part is.
Jagbag...
:rolleyes:
The Undecideds are:
Intrepd XJ
Gill bullykatz
Rev Den
W_Howey
ILL XJ
All from IL
GI John
KY
The people who are willing to take positions are:
Events Coordinator-----------SeanR
Treasurer or V.P.-------------Lawn Cher
Pimp(a very important pos. :cool: )---Rufies 97 XJ
A few other people have said they are willing to accept positions or help out as needed.
The people who matter know that WI is in, at least my part is.
Jagbag...
:rolleyes:
Why didn't you say that in the 'show of hands' thread?
Why didn't you say that in the 'show of hands' thread?
who cares who is undecided?
who cares who is against?
why do names matter?
illinois-3
indiana-2
michigan-2
ohio-1
minnesota-2
missouri-4
iowa-1
15?
thats it?
Thanks seanR ... even though you spelled my User name wrong ... :laugh3:
Thank You Beezil for clarifying the results ... I had a feeling you'd probably remain involved in some form ;) but you left out Wisconsin-1.
Seems 16 interested is all that have said yes ... that's 3% of the membership (even though not all are members).
Looks like the "Show of Hands" threads indicated the "core" areas to be Illinois and Missouri. With this in mind, should the states included in a new Chapter be within a near proximity to these two states? And, should it lean a little more towards Illinois sense it has (5) undecided from that state? IMO the "undecided" do matter when deciding this issue.
Comments ...
Les
bgcntry72
02-01-2004, 08:03
For verifying my visibility.
I :flipoff2: therefore I am.
Hasta.
who cares who is undecided?
who cares who is against?
why do names matter?
illinois-3
indiana-2
michigan-2
ohio-1
minnesota-2
missouri-4
iowa-1
wisconsin-1
16?
I didn't count wisconsin, cause I didn't think bc was serious.
I still don't.
thats it?
Well, I see we already have complications.
I did not count WI either because I didn't think anyone from there was interested. If BG is, that is great, If he isn't please quit complicating things.
I counted the undecideds because they are interested in a chapter so there voice does count at this point of the formation proces.
I listed every one so the names were on one or two pages so we all knew who each other was with out searching through the show of hands thread.
Now if any one is interseted in doing something like spelling out an actual geographic area with the data that has been collected, that would be great.
I am going to Vegas for a week, I'll see you all at Winterfest.
I think you guys are gonna need waayyy more than 15 guys.....
I'm not trying to be defeatist, I'm just speaking my mind (but yer used to that)
you guys might not need more than 15 guys to start, but if this region doesn't grow QUICKLY and DOUBLE in participation in a few months, you can count on it lasting as long as the texas chapter....
Maybe JNJ would have some constructive input to what happened there....
my wild-ass guess is, like everything else in a club environment, is that you have a bunch of people who say they want something, but NO ONE volunteers to do any of the work......
If you guys are serious about this, I would imagine there would be some talk (perhaps back channel) as to who might be interested in emerging as the leadership of the chapter.....or at least volunteers raising their hands.
Thanks Beezil ... will take your advice ... 15 is a start ... hopefully "quality" is the issue not "quantity".
Thanks seanR ... enjoy Vegas ... don't worry too much about "complications" there is a million of 'em and they are just getting started. I appreciate your interest and involvement! I'll do some work here while your gone ...
Les
you absolutly need quantity....
you are gonna need officers (per bylaws)
you are gonna need people willing to do some work
if you only have 15 members, whats gonna happen to the chapter when the first four officers get sick of doing the work?
Of all the people who have ever been involved with naxja, there have been a number of people who couldn't even finish their "term" before feeling like they've been beaten down and just get sick of shit?
I gotta get JNJ in here to see if he'd be willing to share his experience with the texas chapter....Maybe there are some examples to think about, might increase the chances of the midwest chapter getting off the ground.
I gotta get JNJ in here to see if he'd be willing to share his experience with the texas chapter
I would be interested in hearing what he has to say. It would definately go into me deciding which side of the fence to be on.
I'm here. First for those that don't know me, some background:
I was one of the original founders of NAXJA and pulled the first two tours as the Recorder. NAXJA is very successful.
I was one of the founders and first President of the Mid-Atlantic Jeepers, a successful regional club which is still going strong today.
I was one of the founders and President of the Texas Chapter of NAXJA, the second chapter in NAXJA, which failed and has since been disbanded.
What went wrong? What was different?
It boils down to having a strong foundation. The originators of NAXJA wheeled together and had a common goals. Also, after the death of the XJ Forum (Where NAXJA grew from) there was a large base of persons to help get NAXJA growing and continue it's growth today.
Mid-Atlantic Jeepers (MAJ) started as an egroup I started to get local wheelers (VA area) together. We developed friendships and a core of wheeling buddies.
TEXJ, I was reassigned to Texas in 2000. I decided I would try and get a group together to form NAXJA's second chapter and we did. Why did we fail? Well in my opinion, we rushed into it and didn't have the bond to stick together and make it happen. We wheeled a few times together, and had some pressure from NAXJA BOD at the time to sh!t or get off the pot. We failed to develop a good core of wheelers to support the chapter. We had plenty of people to come on the chapter forum (Like this one) and say they were all for it, but when it came time to put up, we didn't have enough support to keep it running. I made some good texas friends and still have them, but I do regret rushing into the chapter thing.
So, all you newer guys, get together, do some "install parties" go wheeling, and the chapter will come. Take your time.
thanks jnj....
(I can't believe I am "thankful" for jnj's presence...first for everything)
john, what are the top three most important priorities in order to form a succesful chapter? in your opinion that is, not like it would be right or anything, just humor us if you can.....
lesslimited
02-01-2004, 15:34
Thanks, JnJ , I believe you've got a very good point there about about having a good core group to make a chapter suceed. I was hoping that we'd have at least twice the amount of people in favor, so maybe at this time we'd be a bit premature in forming a chapter. I'm pretty sure there are others besides me who haven't had the chance yet to do many things with NAXJA. I've only done the un-official Badlands trip in November, and met a few other members on GLJT's Toys4Tots run. While this has been enough for me to realize that I want to do a lot more with this group, I think some more shared experiences will help a lot of us newer guys make up our minds as to just how much we want to put into a possible chapter. With that in mind, my suggestion is to not go too far down the path at this time, see how things go at Winterfest, and take it from there. I'm sure there will be plenty of discussions about it there. I'm not backing away from my support of a chapter, but at this point it really looks like we only have borderline support, and that is coming from a very large area that will increase the difficulties of getting together. When the time is right and we figure that we have a good chance of making it work, I will be happy to serve in any capacity I would be qualified for.
:cheers:
Thanks JnJ ... you hit the nail on the head with "good core group". Beezil ... this was my point when I commented about "quality not quantity". I too am new to NAXJA and am probably a bit naive to everything involved in keeping a group, that is spread over a relatively large area, active and involved.
I see a pretty good core group here, but that is just my opinion. I'll continue to be involved as long as forming a Chapter is a possibility.
Les
I can dig it....
too bad we can't get jeep'n'dork up to winterfest.......
MaXJohnson
02-01-2004, 19:03
...probably a bit naive to everything involved in keeping a group, that is spread over a relatively large area, active and involved.
15 would be a potential starter group if they weren't spread out so far. All the states mentioned are way too spread out for this to be beneficial. What you really have is around a 1/2 dozen for a Heartland chapter and a few more than that for a Great Lakes chapter.
I've been to the Badlands twice for NAXJA events and consider that a stretch as a local outing. I've put out feelers twice for a Heartland group to include Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Iowa and Nebraska. The numbers just aren't out there yet.
Thanks John, that is what I have been looking for and was not able to figure out how to say it. Thanks Beezil for bringing Johns information into the discussion. I also would be willing to serve should a chapter eventually form, but I agree that we need to get some bonding time first.
Rev
thanks jnj....
(I can't believe I am "thankful" for jnj's presence...first for everything)
john, what are the top three most important priorities in order to form a succesful chapter? in your opinion that is, not like it would be right or anything, just humor us if you can.....
3? hmmmm, well as most of you have realized already, build relationships, face to face, not just on here.
Get people to travel to meet each other. If they can't/wont travel to have get-togethers, they wont travel to wheel.
Have more then 3 people willing to run for the BOD (Texas failed when elections came and no one wanted to run though lots of folks wanted to have a chapter).
Get together often, and don't let Beezil know when and where the get-togethers are!
I've been to the Badlands twice for events and consider that a stretch as a local outing.
Exactly why do you consider Badlands a "stretch" as a local outing and how does this affect the quality of people getting together and forming friendships?
Just curious ...
Les
... build relationships, face to face, not just on here ...
Get people to travel to meet each other....
Have more then 3 people willing to run for the BOD ...
Get together often, and don't let Beezil know when and where ...
JnJ ... you mentioned four important aspects ... is the fourth the most important? ;)
Les
MaXJohnson
02-02-2004, 19:44
Exactly why do you consider Badlands a "stretch" as a local outing and how does this affect the quality of people getting together and forming friendships?
Just curious ...
Les
The Badlands is roughly 500 miles one-way from Kansas City. That means to spend a day or two in the Bandlads will cost another two days of driving. I consider that a stretch. 250 miles can be done in a weekend. 500 miles requires a couple of days off. How often do you think the average working guy can do that in a year?
That has nothing to do with the quality of people getting together. I thoroughly enjoyed meeting everyone at the Badlands with no exceptions. Had a great time, too.
JNJ hits it on the head when he says a chapter starts with a core group of guys that are already wheelin' together. The chapter comes when and if the core group hits critical mass. There's a core group in the Great Lakes area, but they haven't hit critical mass yet. The area I'm in (Kansas & Missouri) doesn't even have the core group. Put your ear to the ground and you can hear the rumblings, but that's about it.
If I lived where max does, I'd have a hard time getting excited about driving all day just to wheel in a gravel pit.
Thanks MaXJohnson ... I understand now what you meant... and I agree ..
Les
JnJ ... you mentioned four important aspects ... is the fourth the most important? ;)
Les
Yes, it is. :D
Rockhopper
02-17-2004, 21:04
I agree with MaXJohnson, I live in Nebraska and although I have a few friends that wheel, we dont have the time to go as often as we need to, Ive seen very few people on the board in my area, couple from Kansas..other than that...? It would be very cool to have a Heartland Chapter but the people just arent there. Not to mention for any 'good' wheeling you have to go to Colorado, which cant be done for over a weekend from Lincoln.
my.02cents
Rockhopper
(newbie from Charger.com after selling my other toy)
Good advice, John. I am very pro chapters, but I believe in letting a chapter's formation move along at it's own natural pace. No need to rush it...at all. The basis needs to be actual wheeling, and not Internent, activity. Work on getting together, then let the chapter come out of that, rather than the other way around.
Good luck to you all.........and I know you all know what to do with Beezil. :)
it might not make much sense, but even thoug I don't dig chapters, it'd be cool if these guy can pull it off.
I think this upcoming event will be a make or break deal......
it'll be a good group, and they;ll get a chance to talk serious (so to speak)
goatcoat, you never know, maybe if i kiss some ass they'll let me wheel with them once they are a chapter?
goatcoat, you never know, maybe if i kiss some ass they'll let me wheel with them once they are a chapter?
The Anti-Chapter Pres is always welcome on Any NAXJA Chapter run!
P.S. I like the goatcoat phrase, that was good!
Speaking of Goatcoat, that Ford PSD I was talking about is still on that guys lot. You were right about the price. Thanks.
Jeepin_rebel
02-23-2004, 00:00
After looking at the "show of hands" thread, here are the results of the voting.
Yes:thumbup:-----------15
No:thumbdn: ------------ 3
Undecided. :looney: ---- 6
The yeses were:
ibenxj-----------Indiana
Less Limited-----Illinois
MN XJ-----------Minnesota
SeanR-----------Illinois
Scott Mac-------Michigan
WalterB---------Missouri
Four Wheeler----Michigan
acard-----------Iowa
Rufies97XJ------Ohio
Dark Pitt--------Indiana
Lawn Cher------Missouri
urban redneck---Illinois
poison----------Missouri
Bones----------Missouri
Tim MN---------Minnesota
I know my vote dosent really count but put me down for MO/KS. Im stationed in KS but my house is in mo. Right now im in iraq and just waiting for my wife to send in my membership info.Dont I kinda need a chapter to attach my self to frst?
Thx Ryan ><
Right now im in iraq and just waiting for my wife to send in my membership info. Dont I kinda need a chapter to attach my self to frst?
Thx Ryan ><
Ryan ... you do not need a Chapter to attach yourself to ... you are welcome at any NAXJA function as a member. Get that membership info in ,,,
Les
Well Since the "Show of Hands" thread hs grown, I thought I would Up date everyone...
Indiana-6
Illinois-12
Minnisota-3
Michigan-5
Missouri-7
kentucky-1
Iowa-1
Ohio-2
and yes
wisconsin-1
38 yeses and maybes
mostly in Illinois, Indiana, Micigan, and Missouri.
I did see some Non-Members in the list, pay up!
The local chapter is secondary to NAXJA!
Scott Mac.
04-12-2004, 15:50
How many of those are willing to participate on the political end?
Lawn Cher'
04-12-2004, 16:02
Are you asking SeanR or the yesses themselves? Because I am willing to take a leadership position. I'm chomping at the bit to host a meet and greet, BTW, but my yard isn't grown in (new construction) and wouldn't make too great of a BBQ location yet. I'm 70 miles from Rockport, IL, which might be a reasonable drive for a group from my place, and there is a campground 5 minutes from my house. Sound like a fun weekend? Maybe in a few months... I should have a job by then and would feel better about spending some money.
lesslimited
04-12-2004, 16:58
How many of those are willing to participate on the political end?
I'm still willing to do whatever needs doing.
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