View Full Version : What states will the proposed Midwest Chapter cover?
Just like it says..
I am thinking:
IL
IN
MI
WI
OH
IA
MN
MO
KY
Thoughts??
Rev
Rufies97XJ
01-21-2004, 10:41
Those nine seem about right...
Now with this list, is every state included in one chapter or another?
sorry rev.. rough day...
Now will this include ever state inside a chapter now... except those two....lol
Wanna try that again in English?? If i read correctly, what you are trying to say is 'Will a state that is currently in another chapter be included?" I am thinking no.
BUT....
It is up to ALL of us.
Rev
IntrepidXJ
01-21-2004, 11:15
IMO...that area is way too huge for 1 chapter.
I think smaller chapters are better. If the area is that huge, there relly is no point in a chapter, the NAXJA site/club serves the same purpose.
Rufies97XJ
01-21-2004, 11:30
Ok.. my original thoughts were to include the states/people that were about 5-6hrs from Badlands.. since that seems to be the main wheelin spot for the "midwest"... please feel free to correct me if i am wrong.
just throwing out more ideas.
in order to see which states to include, might I suggest asking for a show of hands?
for instance, if no one from minnesota raises their hands, why include the state?
stick with what you have.
I agree that is a big azz area for 1 chapter...meetings would be a PITA. Lets keep it going...whatcha all think? Beezil brings up a good idea (Thanks B), lets hear it...who WANTS to be included?
Rev
for what litle it is worth, I'd like to see mn Included.
Ben
Rufies97XJ
01-21-2004, 12:41
Ohio.
lesslimited
01-21-2004, 12:42
I think the proximity to the Badlands may be a good idea, since it seems to be where most of us discussing this usually wheel. I don't think we need to exclude anyone from farther away, but just realize that they won't be able to participate as much.
Scott Mac.
01-21-2004, 15:55
I think the proximity to the Badlands may be a good idea, since it seems to be where most of us discussing this usually wheel. I don't think we need to exclude anyone from farther away, but just realize that they won't be able to participate as much.
I agree, that would be to big for one chapter. Lets keep at least east of the Mississippi.
How about calling it the Great Lakes chapter and keeping it a bit more regional?
sorry ben, didn't mean to use minnesota as an example!
I'll have you know, I have a place in my heart for "sotans"....
I think indiana should be excluded.
Mac, if you are doing a "lakes thing" your "east of the miss" doesn't work....
it would chop up minnesota, and thats not a nice thing to do to a state, and ben would have to take you down.
lesslimited
01-21-2004, 16:24
How about calling it the Great Lakes chapter and keeping it a bit more regional?
How about KY? At least some of it is close enough to the Badlands. We had KY Chris and GI John from there on the November run and they certainly made that weekend more interesting :D
f u c k those guys....
yer starting to widen the borders again....won't work.
gotta draw the line somewhere.....
everything south of the ohio valley is crap anyway.
IntrepidXJ
01-21-2004, 17:08
how about a Suburban Chapter?
:p
Scott Mac.
01-21-2004, 17:39
how about a Suburban Chapter?
:p
And exclude Beezil. :clap:
My geograph must be gettin' rusty. I thought Minnisota was in Canada :gee:
Ky is cool. They can take Indiana's place.
And exclude Beezil. :clap:
well that would make sense, since I'm not from the burbs.....
Scott Mac.
01-21-2004, 17:46
well that would make sense, since I'm not from the burbs.....
Good thing it wasn't sarcasm. Or you would still be scratchin' your head.
Walter B.
01-21-2004, 21:44
Count Missouri in too
I vote for Missouri also. That's the first state to get TWO {:peace:} votes.
I think anyone EAST of the mighty Miss should go back to England anyway.
Bones :skull1:
How in the heck can y'all all omit Indiana ... One way to find out if border states (those on the edge of a "core" geographical area) should be excluded is to see how many participants we get. If there are but very few, we could allow those individuals to participate since they sre interested in helping us get this going, but exclude their state. Maybe their involvement in the Midwest Chapter could help spawn a new Chapter in another area.
Just a thought ...
Les
PS: I think Rev Den's original suggestion works well.
bgcntry72
01-22-2004, 06:49
Wisconsin politely drops it's pants... :moon:
You can keep the Badlands, even though its only 3 hours and change for me.
If'n I see any of yous guys in Northern WI, I will be toting a shotgun full of rock salt.
Keep yer stinking washing machines and your god-forsaken landfill.
Hasta.
Rufies97XJ
01-22-2004, 08:03
Wisconsin politely drops it's pants... :moon:
You can keep the Badlands, even though its only 3 hours and change for me.
If'n I see any of yous guys in Northern WI, I will be toting a shotgun full of rock salt.
Keep yer stinking washing machines and your god-forsaken landfill.
Hasta.
Hey I'd trade where I live for Northern WIS anyday! Now if I could the little lady to follow me up there..HAHA.
rock salt.... it only stings for a minute...HAHA
how about a Suburban Chapter?
:p
Suburban what? I have owned Suburbans. Isn't there already a "Sub Club"?
I thought this was a Jeep only club?
I second OHIO- But I live close enough to Michigan that I could join you all up there if I was welcomed.
I personally think that the original chapter is too big- I would like to see it broken up into maybe areas of three states like Ohio, Michigan, and Indiana for example.
I do not think my Jeep could make it to MN or WI if we ever had a meeting or event there!!! Could someone tow me :spin1:
For what it's worth the Midwest 4 Wheel Drive Association is made up of clubs from Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, N. Dakota, S. Dakota and Wisconsin.
I might be interested in a Midwest Chapter, I'm from MN.
Scott Mac.
01-23-2004, 16:02
I vote for Missouri also. That's the first state to get TWO {:peace:} votes.
I think anyone EAST of the mighty Miss should go back to England anyway.
Bones :skull1:
Now this is one of the reasons why we failed to orgainize a chapter a couple of years ago. We're thinking to big. Here's my thoughts
Great Lakes Chapter:
IL, IN, KY, MI, OH & WI. (WV if they aren't included in one of the eastcoast chapters)
Heartland Chapter:
AR, KS, MO, OK
Midwest Chapter:
IA, MN, NB & the Dakotas
Thats just my opinion, I think a chapter that stretches 1000 or so miles is a bit too big
I agree with scott.
I don't believe anyone from west virginia raised their hand, so fawk em.
I second Scott Mac's opinion on this. Middle America is too huge for one Chapter to encompass. SEC and NAC both have a (too?) huge area though. We share VA, but there are enough Members there for their own Ch. if they want one.
Get together, (here & in person if possible) see how many of you are into it, and what states you're from. Take it from there. :)
I agree that we need to stay on the smaller size. I like the suggestion of IL, IN, KY, MI, OH & WI.
Rev
lesslimited
01-23-2004, 16:49
I agree with Scott also. I also think if we can get a Great Lakes Chapter going, it will make it easier for the others to get going as well, since they then would not be dealing with the "huge area" problem. I imagine there are members in those areas who have not chimed in because they feel they're too far away from the core states that we are talking about.
Scott Mac.
01-23-2004, 17:25
Does anybody disagree?
Speak up or forever hold your peace.
I like the idea of a great lakes chapter, it would define out bounderies. The excluded states could start other chapters. I agree on a smaller geographical area.
Does anybody disagree?
Speak up or forever hold your peace.
Finally someone has made sense about a "mid-American" chapter. Count me in on a Great Lakes chapter. A midwest chapter would be to large and long of a drive for me. Since I can almost pee in to Lake Erie from my house and get to Detroit in 3 hours I will fall into the "Lakes" chapter.
Rufies97XJ
01-23-2004, 19:22
Finally someone has made sense about a "mid-American" chapter. Count me in on a Great Lakes chapter. A midwest chapter would be to large and long of a drive for me. Since I can almost pee in to Lake Erie from my house and get to Detroit in 3 hours I will fall into the "Lakes" chapter.
I still like the Midwest chapter.... but the Lakes chapter seems more reasonable for the purpose we are trying to accomplish.
OK by me .... How do the folks in Kentucky feel about it? They could almost fall into the "Heartland Chapter" as far as proximity.
Are these others really proposed Chapters or are they just geographical areas that have been given names by this group? Does this name change affect what we are trying to do on this particular forum? After all, this is the "Midwest Chapter Formation" forum ...
Les
Scott Mac.
01-23-2004, 19:51
OK by me .... How do the folks in Kentucky feel about it? They could almost fall into the "Heartland Chapter" as far as proximity.
Are these others really proposed Chapters or are they just geographical areas that have been given names by this group? Does this name change affect what we are trying to do on this particular forum? After all, this is the "Midwest Chapter Formation" forum ...
Les
I included Kentucky only becuse they fit on the map geographicly. They could almost fit into any chapter in the east being as centerly located as they are.
All we have to do is ask the FF to change the name of the Forum. Where not stuck with the name.
Well then as far as I am concerned we have an area to begin with ...
Les
The name is arbitrary at the point. Look at the Utah chapter, it is now the Intermountain chapter. To do this right we need to decide on an area and go with that. KY could have just as easily been included in the South east chapter but it was excluded. Lets not get the area so big that is inpractical. BTW, I am not saying we exclude KY, I am just using it as an example.
IntrepidXJ
01-23-2004, 21:13
Now this is one of the reasons why we failed to orgainize a chapter a couple of years ago. We're thinking to big. Here's my thoughts
Great Lakes Chapter:
IL, IN, KY, MI, OH & WI. (WV if they aren't included in one of the eastcoast chapters)
Heartland Chapter:
AR, KS, MO, OK
Midwest Chapter:
IA, MN, NB & the Dakotas
Thats just my opinion, I think a chapter that stretches 1000 or so miles is a bit too big
i like these regions
geography lesson:
minnesota is a great lake state.
dig it.
Scott Mac.
01-23-2004, 21:57
geography lesson:
minnesota is a great lake state.
dig it.
I know that.
So we should dump Ky and include Jesse's gang? Remember we need to keep this regional.
Actually, even though MN is a lake state, I would vote to keep KY and dump MN. Geographiclly(sp?) MN would make to large an area.
it is nice to see some actual discussion on this topic. All those who are not saying anything, speak up, make yourselfs heard, even the negative comments....bring em on.
Rev
yeah, that makes sense....
lets call it "great lakes"
we'll dump minnesota and throw in KY?????
HUH?
this is too funny, shit I forgot I said I would stay out of it......
later
listen....
its time to bring the map out......
forget fancy area names and all that.....
get on non-tech, call out for one last "raise your hand if you want a chapter" have all interested people list thier city and states, put a mark on the map for each person......
wait a week and see what the area looks like, if there's an average of say five people from each of the states, but only one or two from the states on the fringes, dump them......
THEY CAN STILL BE MEMBERS!
but at least if they hook up with other guys in their locale, it will be easier for them to form some kind of geographical area.....
I think you guys need a show of hands....
yeah, that makes sense....
lets call it "great lakes"
we'll dump minnesota and throw in KY?????
HUH?
this is too funny, shit I forgot I said I would stay out of it......
later
listen....
its time to bring the map out......
forget fancy area names and all that.....
get on non-tech, call out for one last "raise your hand if you want a chapter" have all interested people list thier city and states, put a mark on the map for each person......
wait a week and see what the area looks like, if there's an average of say five people from each of the states, but only one or two from the states on the fringes, dump them......
THEY CAN STILL BE MEMBERS!
but at least if they hook up with other guys in their locale, it will be easier for them to form some kind of geographical area.....
I think you guys need a show of hands....
Again good points....BUT...
A name has not been chosen yet, we are not even remotlly close to that. Hell I am not even sure that a local chapter is needed or wanted. This process at this point is all brainstorming, everyone thoughts put on the table to see how it falls out. Non-tech is a good idea, but then again, if anyone living in a "Midwest" state has not checked out this forum then I would assume they are not interested.
Now, only gonna say this once...it is not "you guys", all of us in the affected areas should have an opinon.....either way. I have seen some that support this chapter idea, and i have seen others that do not support it, as far as myself....I just don't know. I want more info, from both sides, that is why i requested this forum, and that is why I am offering a place to talk at Winterfest.
Beezil you should not "stay out of it", everyone needs to hear BOTH sides to enable them to make a informend desicion. I would ask that those of you opposed to this idea speak up, tell everyone why you do not think we need a local chapter.
Rev
BTW - I know I can't spell, so lets get past that.
[QUOTE=Rev Den] tell everyone why you do not think we need a local chapter.
Rev
QUOTE]
I don't think that kind of discussion is appropriate in a forum that exists to FORM a chapter, not prevent one.....
I think too much time is being spent on boudaries, although at some point it obviously must be decided....
who appears on the list of "interested"?
forget for a moment where everyone is from,
how many people are there in total?
I think that question alone decides if there will be a chapter or not....12 guys/gals is not gonna cut it.
If you don't have people, you don't have a chapter.
next, out of the group, who will step up and do most of the organizing? the real work?
who are the officers?
if you don't have officers, you don't have a chapter......
and at that point, geography discussions are MOOT.
[I don't think that kind of discussion is appropriate in a forum that exists to FORM a chapter, not prevent one.....
We disagree. I think this is EXACTLLY the spot.
Rev
This thread sucks :tears:
Walter,
I guess us "Heartland Chapter" people will just have to mount up the mini-guns and keep the elitists from the "lakes" out of our wheeling spots.
Seriously we need to work on getting some "Heartland" XJ's together. I figure we have some good wheeling not to far from us:
Hot Springs, Disney, Clayton (off and on at least), Joplin, Potawatomi, KSRocks, LBL, Randolph, Pittsfield (private, but if ya got connections...), and Sayers Brook to name the ones I know off the top of my head.
We are adding a third Dr in May, so I hope to have much more time to wheel on the weekends this summer.
There is a wealth of untapped potential in our region. Let's get this thing up and going this spring.
Bones :skull1:
IMO ...
If a Chapter is formed, and we can have 10 "good" members, it will be a good start. The Chapter can easily grow from that. Believe me, there will be a lot of coat tails riders to add numbers ..... if you want numbers.
We have an area of NAXJA members that regularly get together. This is the area we can start with and form the Chapter around. I thought yesterday, this pretty much was decided ; now you guys want to debate it some more. I'd say end the debate, go with Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky, Illinois,and Indiana. This is a good starting point and we have enough interested individuals.
What is the next Topic ..............
Is tha name of the Chapter now appropriate? It seems this is "part" of the debate going on through the past several posts. We have "Great Lakes" and "Midwest" so far .... is there any other suggestions? How about "NE Central" Chapter?
This forum need to be kept on track and positive. Bones ... you are right. You guys have a lot of areas to get together and Wheel in. I'm sure there are a lot of NAXJA member within a region surrounding Missouri that may be able to get a Chapter formed. If not, I'm sure this Chapter (if formed) would be happy to include you and any others.
Les
Scott Mac.
01-24-2004, 08:32
This thread sucks :tears:
Walter,
I guess us "Heartland Chapter" people will just have to mount up the mini-guns and keep the elitists from the "lakes" out of our wheeling spots.
Seriously we need to work on getting some "Heartland" XJ's together. I figure we have some good wheeling not to far from us:
Hot Springs, Disney, Clayton (off and on at least), Joplin, Potawatomi, KSRocks, LBL, Randolph, Pittsfield (private, but if ya got connections...), and Sayers Brook to name the ones I know off the top of my head.
We are adding a third Dr in May, so I hope to have much more time to wheel on the weekends this summer.
There is a wealth of untapped potential in our region. Let's get this thing up and going this spring.
Bones :skull1:
There's on reason to man the borders, I'd love to wheel Disney and Clayton sometime. and I'd be happy to have you come up to the UP some and wheel up there as well. But I think that the geography sould be hacked out in the early stages so we know who to nominate for officers. I wouldn't do anybody any good to nominate Bones for a bod posisition and then kick MO to the curb.
List of names guys.....
concentrate on that.
do you guys need a secretary?
I will play one for one week, and then I am out.
Scott Mac.
01-24-2004, 13:11
List of names guys.....
concentrate on that.
do you guys need a secretary?
I will play one for one week, and then I am out.
Wrong, I say hash out the geography first and then we'll be able to pull the best people within those borders for officers.
Should we set up a vote to see if Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky, Illinois, and Indiana is acceptable? This can be going on while Beezil takes roll and so we can get closure on this subject and move on ... If it is not acceptable, then we can discuss again.
Les
I'm gonna take roll.
I will tally the head count at the end....
does anyone think it makes sense to see if the formation of TWO chapters should take place?
bones?
heartland?
the area is so huge....
I think the headcount will help determine this.
bgcntry72
01-24-2004, 14:04
Define 'head' count.
WI is off limits to you breeders.
How about the 'We like Jerky' chapter?
This is truly humorous.
On tha serious tip fo' rizzle...
If you guys need a hand, I would gladly do whatever I can.
Hasta.
Here's the only point that I'm going to poke in your folks direction. Ok, probably one main point with interelating points woven in.
The talk for the whole time has been that there's a good group that frequently gets together to wheel at the badlands. With that in mind, why would you want to exclude any states of the folks that regularly attend? Yeah, one end of the region to the other end of the region may be a haul. Who says you have to attend that ride? There are several people who like to take off a day or 2 around the weekends/holidays that would make some of those longer trips. I've been known to haul my junk for 8+ hrs. so that I can wheel all day sat and part of sun(pretty soon I won't be haulin' it, I'll be toolin' down the highway in it). I'm still home on sun night and didn't miss any work on fri.
There's more I was gonna say, but I gotta run.
Walter B.
01-24-2004, 19:25
I think calling this forum "Midwest Chapter formation" can be misleading to some. The "Midwest" is a HUGE area that includes 12 states from North Dakota to Ohio. Also the "Midwest" doesn't include states like AR, KY, and OK. I like Bj's idea we need a show of hand to determine where the most people who are interested in forming a chapter are and go from there.
You need Adobe Acrobat reader http://www.eduplace.com/ss/maps/pdf/midwestus.pdf (http://www.eduplace.com/ss/maps/pdf/midwestus.pdf)
Bones we defiantly need to get some runs going this spring here in MO. and I would love to get back down to Hot Springs, AR again. Maybe when this new Nissan line settles down and you get your extra Vet we could get a group together for a run.
Walter B.
i wanna get a group going in disney arounf late march....
hint
You need Adobe Acrobat reader [/size]http://www.eduplace.com/ss/maps/pdf/midwestus.pdf (http://www.eduplace.com/ss/maps/pdf/midwestus.pdf)[/size]
Way too big of an area IMHO.
Scott Mac.
01-25-2004, 11:18
Way too big of an area IMHO.
That's my opinion as well, but we wouldn't be able to call it the Midwest Chapter if we exclude any of those states? :lecture:
we need a sarcasm smiley
That is a large area. Guess we will see what we need to with the role call ...
Scott Mac.
01-25-2004, 13:09
That is a large area. Guess we will see what we need to with the role call ...
Good idea, how long should we give people to respond to that thread?
Don't know how others feel, but most people visit the forums through the week ... I'd say Wednesday or so. I'm not sure just how big a hurry everyone is to settle this aspect of it. So it doesn't matter to me how long ....
It would be handy to have some sort of agenda outlining what needs to be decided. Is any of this in the info Rev received the other day?
Opinions?
Les
Is any of this in the info Rev received the other day?
Les
I did not recieve any information as of yet.
Rev
bgcntry72
01-25-2004, 18:38
I did not recieve any information as of yet.
Rev
We are putting something together down at 'HQ' just for you.
Real special-like.
Don't leave it on the porch too long, bring it right in the house.
The cold weather may lessen the effect.
Make sure you are near no open flames.
If Beezil is visiting, that counts.
Have a nice day, someplace else.
Aasta.
:D
Dirk Pitt
01-25-2004, 20:30
if a chapter led to more wheeling (and indiana was included), i can only see it as a benefit to me. right now i do 100% of my wheeling on the family farm in southern indiana. i'm trying to get up to winterfest to meet you guys i so far only know as a screen name. if this does lead to more wheeling in new places then i am pro-new chapter, because it would be nice to be able to wheel with familiar faces in different places (no rhyme intended).
Lawn Cher'
01-26-2004, 11:31
I'm usually not outspoken about these matters, but I feel I have experience that may prove valuable in the formation of a chapter (or chapters.) I recently moved to St Louis, MO from NJ, where I was actively involved in the NAC chapter. As one of the early members, I witnessed the growth of the group from a handful to what is now a veritable XJ army.
Encompassing an area from VA to ME (and eastern Canada, supposedly,) the NAC unofficially split into two sub-groups, the New England and Mid-Atlantic factions. This occurred purely out of geographic convenience for attending wheeling and wrenching get-togethers. This same geographic separation also made it difficult to organize official chapter-wide events due to low attendance from long travel times required to reach various destinations within the vast chapter boundary. There are only a few within the chapter who have met people from both the northern and southern extremes of the region.
The MidWest Chapter obviously presents an even larger problem, which can only be better served by the formation of several smaller chapters. Based on my observations and experiences, I agree with those that say we should form 3 or 4 chapters. This will allow better organization for face-to-face meetings, wheeling jaunts, wrenching sessions, etc. It also will boost membership from increased club visibility and outreach to potential members.
Perhaps the breakup should be as follows:
GREAT LAKES: OH, IN, MI, IL, WI
UPPER MIDWEST: MN, ND, SD, NE, IA
HEARTLAND: MO, KS, OK, AR
(TN, KY as a potential 4th or included in Heartland?)
Having a greater number of chapters allows NAXJA to better provide a variety of national events with more groups of dedicated locals available to plan outings to many more locations. Personally, being as centrally located in STL as I was in NJ, I would easily travel several hours in any direction to attend.
Rufies97XJ
01-26-2004, 11:43
Perhaps the breakup should be as follows:
GREAT LAKES: OH, IN, MI, IL, WI
UPPER MIDWEST: MN, ND, SD, NE, IA
HEARTLAND: MO, KS, OK, AR
(TN, KY as a potential 4th or included in Heartland?)
Having a greater number of chapters allows NAXJA to better provide a variety of national events with more groups of dedicated locals available to plan outings to many more locations. .
werd! :skull1:
I like what he is sayin.. makes good sense to me!
werd! :skull1:
I like what he is sayin.. makes good sense to me!
Me too!!
there is no question about it.....
NAC chapter is a REAL chapter.
go awn lawncher, I'm sure anything you have to suggest would be beneficial.
you goin' to winterfest?
lesslimited
01-26-2004, 18:02
Thanks, Lawn Cher', you make some good points about the benefits of chapters, and the difficulties of too large an area, all from direct experience. I was hoping to hear from some of those involved in the forming and running of other chapters, as to the benefits and drawbacks. How would we get some more input like this? Post on other chapter forums? PM some of the people directly?
We're thinking to big. Here's my thoughts
Great Lakes Chapter:
IL, IN, KY, MI, OH & WI. (WV if they aren't included in one of the eastcoast chapters)
Heartland Chapter:
AR, KS, MO, OK
Midwest Chapter:
IA, MN, NB & the Dakotas
Thats just my opinion, I think a chapter that stretches 1000 or so miles is a bit too big
Perhaps the breakup should be as follows:
GREAT LAKES: OH, IN, MI, IL, WI
UPPER MIDWEST: MN, ND, SD, NE, IA
HEARTLAND: MO, KS, OK, AR
(TN, KY as a potential 4th or included in Heartland?)
We have two reputable opinions here that are pretty darned close.
Beezil, how is the "Show of Hands" looking?
Les
As it stand at this time here are the results of "the show of hands".
Yes----11
No-----2
Undec.-5
The yes states are, IN,2 IL,2 MN,1 MI,2 MO,2 IA,1 OH,1
The no States are, IL,2
The undec. states are, IL,3 KY,1
As it stands right now, this is a nice tidy geographical area.
Just thought I would put this up.
Thanks B for starting that thread, excellent idea,
bgcntry72
01-27-2004, 10:46
SeanR forgot WI, but his thumb is far from the pulse, so who cares?
I will manage my area of the Great Lakes.
WI is under the Steel_Toe of Justice.
Hasta.
Lawn Cher'
01-27-2004, 15:11
I think some advice from existing and past chapter BOD members (Eagle, CHW, Mike-in-NJ, Andy-in-PA, Woody, Kudzu, etc.) would be good to get.
I also think there are 4 "aye's" from MO, BTW.
And unfortunately, I can't make it to Winterfest. I'd drive out even though my XJ is far from ready just to meet everyone, but my wife and I have a scheduling conflict.
If memory serves me correctly, the NAC got off the ground with an inaugural event; a meet & greet BBQ campout at one of the member's homes (thanks CHW!) and a wheeling trip the following day (NJ Pine Barrens.) Should we perhaps organize something similar for each of the proposed chapters in this region? Sometime in the spring, I would think. This allows for faces & personalities to be put to names, spurring the camaraderie that will be needed for the core groups that start the fledgling chapters.
SeanR forgot WI, but his thumb is far from the pulse, so who cares?
I will manage my area of the Great Lakes.
WI is under the Steel_Toe of Justice.
Hasta.
That list was as of Monday night, more people may have added since then.
I did not see WI in the list of "hands" when I tallied up this list, if it was there I appologize for missing it, if it wasn't there you can manage the Milwaukee Chapter. :)
BTW, I do not have a pulse, I am a bot, you will be assimalated.
IntrepidXJ
01-27-2004, 19:07
Wisconsin :)
still no wisconsin in this thread though:
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=18586
i wanna get a group going in disney arounf late march....
hint
If this was the den...... :scared:
Ya just keep your city :moon: north of the Mason Dixon Line.
Damn elitist northern folk with their "Great Lakes" Shizit.
We in the Heartland intend to protect our environment from the yuppie scum that is the "North".
By the way, I would be up for a trip that way also. :D
Bones :skull1:
Not sure I'd use the Badlands as the "greenwich mean Time" (or "Rose Line") for a chapter in anarea that big. I'd stick to the middle soemwhere. A "MW Chapter Seat." I nominate Mpls/St. Paul. Lots of cool places w/in a few hours. And I'm in Wisconsin.
Just a thought.
I'm in southern AR.... Actually 3 city blocks from Texas....I know for a fact that there are quite a few XJ's that frequent Barnwell Mtn. in Gilmer, TX...I believe that they are mostly from the Dallas Area... Are we too "redneck" to be included ???...
Hey Bones... We are planning a trip to Hot Springs in April... I "may" be ready to go by then... If not I'll be spottin' in a '75 Bronco...
I'm not entire positive about it, but I do not think Badlands ORP was intended as any kind of strict point of reference, although several people who have regularly gotten together at Badlands have started this thread to try and form a Chapter.
The "Show of Hands" thread is intended to see where most of the "Chapter Membership" interest is.
Les
Are we still waiting for people to "show hands" or was a decision reached, that I missed? :huh:
I really don't think so .... the thread has just kinda settled down for the time being. There really hasn't been too many "hands raised" lately either. Maybe everyone who is interested, or at least thinking about it, has done so.
Beezil is the "temporary" secretary for this thread and is supposedly tracking the results. Several have made attempts to post results ... but it brought on some controversy over the results. :twak:
Les
I will add up the final count tonight.
sean has hereby taken over as secretary....
it wouold probably be good if someone got involved who actually wants a chapter....
count it up sean.
Thanks seanR ...
Sounds like your no longer "undecided" Beezil ... sorry to hear about that.
Les
JP_in_STL
02-03-2004, 13:33
I just stumbled across this thread since I've been a paying member for less than a month :-) I'm in for a chapter as I'd like to get involved with the local Jeep community. Being in STL I'm fairly central for getting to most places.
The only NAXJA face I've met is Lawn'Chero (Mark Seidman) and would like to meet more.
All my stuff is stock, but I've got tools and an MJ :-)
- JP
Thanks seanR ...
Sounds like your no longer "undecided" Beezil ... sorry to hear about that.
Les
I was never "undecided"....
I've been a "no" vote ever since the idea of "chapters" was discussed even beofre we officially incorporated naxja....
I never thought they would be successful, I figured it would be a major distraction in the goings-on of the mother org......
Obviously, I was wrong, NAC proved it first.
I am still totally disinterested, but if you guys can pull it off, that would be cool.
and I'm not interested in preventing a chapter from happening....it'll be interesting to see what happens.
I guess I should pay attention more ... "respectfully decline" is not interested. I appreciate your help, and I'm sure everyone else does too.
Les
MaXJohnson
02-03-2004, 17:02
All my stuff is stock, but I've got tools and an MJ :-)
- JP
stock is OK, if any of this gets going, we'd need someone to buy the beer. Usually, the stock MJ guys do that...
MaXJohnson
02-03-2004, 17:07
That's my opinion as well, but we wouldn't be able to call it the Midwest Chapter if we exclude any of those states? :lecture:
we need a sarcasm smiley
You IL, IN & MI guys can call it the "Great Licks" chapter.
how bout dat...
Scott Mac.
02-03-2004, 17:17
You IL, IN & MI guys can call it the "Great Licks" chapter.
how bout dat...
Oh yea????? You're all just jealous because we have fresh water.
how bout' change that "L" on licks to a "D" ;)
Steelerfan
02-04-2004, 11:11
Why not divide it into two chapters Northern Midwestern Chapter and Southern Midwestern Chapter.
Why not divide it into two chapters Northern Midwestern Chapter and Southern Midwestern Chapter.
I like this Idea.....
Jeepin_rebel
02-22-2004, 23:51
Now this is one of the reasons why we failed to orgainize a chapter a couple of years ago. We're thinking to big. Here's my thoughts
Great Lakes Chapter:
IL, IN, KY, MI, OH & WI. (WV if they aren't included in one of the eastcoast chapters)
Heartland Chapter:
AR, KS, MO, OK
Midwest Chapter:
IA, MN, NB & the Dakotas
Thats just my opinion, I think a chapter that stretches 1000 or so miles is a bit too big
I think he is on the right track im in for MO/KS
Ryan
Garthbmn7
02-25-2004, 12:19
Sorry been away from the computer for awhile
I like these breakdowns
GREAT LAKES: OH, IN, MI, IL, WI
UPPER MIDWEST: MN, ND, SD, NE, IA
HEARTLAND: MO, KS, OK, AR
(TN, KY as a potential 4th or included in Heartland?)
I'm in MN. Can't remember how far it is too the Badlands from my place but its 8 hours to Chicago. So would have to say all the states together would be rather huge.
Sorry been away from the computer for awhile
I like these breakdowns
GREAT LAKES: OH, IN, MI, IL, WI
UPPER MIDWEST: MN, ND, SD, NE, IA
HEARTLAND: MO, KS, OK, AR
(TN, KY as a potential 4th or included in Heartland?)
I'm in MN. Can't remember how far it is too the Badlands from my place but its 8 hours to Chicago. So would have to say all the states together would be rather huge.
Thats great, but as it stands right now, we don't have enough people for ONE chapter.
BTW why are we judging the chapter formation around the Badlands? There are a dozen places to go 'wheeling in the midwest. Lets try to keep an open mind about this.
MaXJohnson
02-25-2004, 22:46
Oh yea????? You're all just jealous because we have fish water.
huh???
what's "fish water"?
are you talking about where fish poop ???
Scott Mac.
02-26-2004, 16:12
huh???
what's "fish water"?
are you talking about where fish poop ???
I'm sorry, you'll have to go to Chicago and pay and arm and a leg if you want that yuppy water here in the Midwest.
Sorry I havn't spoken up sooner. I've read the first 3 pages here and skipped the rest. I heard a little rumbling about chapters at Winterfest but didn't even know this forum was here. Put another hand up for WI. I'm willing to help out in whatever capacity I can. I'm an hour north of Milwaukee but would be willing to meet in the Chicago area for non wheeling meeting every so often. Sorry this post doesn't deal with which states go with which chapter but I wanted all to know I am interested and will help however I can (including holding a position on the chapter BOD if needed).
B-loose
Lawn Cher'
03-02-2004, 07:45
RE: TN & KY
Apparently these states are officially included in the SEC, so that's one issue resolved. Now all we gotta do is start getting together!
RE: TN & KY
Apparently these states are officially included in the SEC, so that's one issue resolved. Now all we gotta do is start getting together!
IMHO let folks decide where they want to participate if they do at all...
KY, WV folks may be more active in the SE or the Midwest :dunno: same for TN or folks in other "border" states. It's great to set boundaries, but don't let them overrule common sense and keep the intent focused on letting folks participate & have fun.
Lawn Cher'
03-03-2004, 07:31
Oh, by no means did I intend to establish borders to limit participation... that would be completely opposite of the idea of establishing chapters to foster participation and membership growth. I was just providing information to answer a question from earlier in the discussion.
The chapter boundaries, IMHO, don't limit participation; rather they merely establish LOOSE organizational guides for getting more involved in NAXJA on a local level.
IMHO let folks decide where they want to participate if they do at all...
KY, WV folks may be more active in the SE or the Midwest :dunno: same for TN or folks in other "border" states. It's great to set boundaries, but don't let them overrule common sense and keep the intent focused on letting folks participate & have fun.
Woody & Lawn Cher ... This is pretty much what we (at Winterfest) decided, so to speak. We really did not decide anything other than we would continue to get together as much as we could and just let the Chapter form from that. We had people from several states there. Many may just want to join a particular group solely because of friendship, not geographic location.
Les
Jeepin_rebel
06-15-2004, 13:39
So what is the current break down. Im an xj'er without a chapter.lol In the Ft Riley KS area.
Ryan
Scott Mac.
06-15-2004, 13:58
We in the Midwest have collectively decided that we'll let the Chapter idea evolve over time. We're a close nit bunch and really govern ourselves well enough without the organization of a chapter.
On a side note, I'm surprised this board is still here.
ladywolf
06-15-2004, 14:15
i was gonna say the midwest guys sounded like a bunch of great individuals, and i'd definitely road trip to go to some of the gatherings, being as i'm gonna be on the tn/ky border
kris
Rocketman
06-15-2004, 16:12
Have a Midwest Chapter, but smaller contingent's or sub-chapters covering each State for Meet & Greets and such. The "Illinois" sub-chapter, or the "Great Lakes" contingent would cover all states which touch the GL's. Other States would make up the rest.
Better yet would break the chapter. A "Great Lakes" Chapter and a "Midwest Chapter" (Iowa to South and West)
We wouldn't meet that much and the internet is what brought us ALL together in the first place. Why haggle... we are all here for the same thing. Let's leave KY out though... I hear they marry their vehicles down there! :roll: Besides... look at the abbreviation, KY (just bustin' balls)
ladywolf
06-15-2004, 16:40
yea yea, rocket, i know, i've laughed at that a time or two myself.....but i think i'd rather be stationed with 101st rather than 10th mtn.......i'd kill to be stationed at home in lewis or at carson, but the army wont let me:(
Kris
KY is the bastard state...too far south for Midwest, too far north for southern, and the Natives are all related!
Ladywolf, you should fit in just fine with the midwest mob...most of us have wheeled together, and are actually pretty nice people regardless of what you hear :D You will be pretty close to Land Between the Lakes, and the Badlands arent too far either!
ladywolf
06-15-2004, 17:31
well then i guess yr gonna haveta pony up and take me then, huh?;) hopefully when i get back to campbell i'll already have my CJ waitin on me, and the XJ will be almost over from germany on da boat, then i gotta lift it, put some new treads on it, and hack'ntap it, and we'll be good for starter stuff!
Gil BullyKatz
06-15-2004, 17:35
When the East and West Coasts finally sink into the their respective oceans due to mother nature's wrath, the Midwest will be the only one!
"When the rapture comes....Can I have your stuff?"
well then i guess yr gonna haveta pony up and take me then, huh?;)
Absolutely! Sometime this summer I'm doing a weekend at LBL/ Turkey Bay ORV park and gonna drag the whole fam damily and the Jetski. I'll let y'all know when if anyone wants to come with.
Ok so who wants this bastard child???
Jeepin_rebel
06-16-2004, 02:06
So then i should just give yall a shout when i get back from "OIF Sand fest 2004"? Is there anyone currently running in the Ks/Mo area?
mountaindrew
06-19-2004, 17:28
Sorry for the late voice-in, but I am definately in for the heartland ( MO )
Jeepin_rebel
06-20-2004, 06:22
What part of Mo are ya from?.....or do ya wheel?
Ryan
I am gonna start a new thread in offtopic about the interest in the heartland chapter.
DIG IT!
Scott Mac.
06-20-2004, 07:19
I am gonna start a new thread in offtopic about the interest in the heartland chapter.
DIG IT!
Get 'er done.
mountaindrew
06-21-2004, 15:35
I am in St. Louis. I am almost done with My letest set of mods and will be looking for wheeling opportunities soon ( maybe a couple of weeks )
BigRedJeepster0381
06-26-2004, 23:50
Perhaps the breakup should be as follows:
GREAT LAKES: OH, IN, MI, IL, WI
UPPER MIDWEST: MN, ND, SD, NE, IA
HEARTLAND: MO, KS, OK, AR
(TN, KY as a potential 4th or included in Heartland?)
Having a greater number of chapters allows NAXJA to better provide a variety of national events with more groups of dedicated locals available to plan outings to many more locations. Personally, being as centrally located in STL as I was in NJ, I would easily travel several hours in any direction to attend.
I agree with Lawn Cher's proposal. Being an Iowan, I would much rather participate in NAXJA events than join a local club and not do half the things that NAXJA members seem to get involved in. See the world and meet new and interesting people!! :rof:
Incidentally, when you hit the "trails," do you have any members that have stock XJ's going through the mud? Do you have certain requirements for equipment on XJ's when off-roading in NAXJA events? I'm not putting a lift in my XJ for a while but I'd like to have the experience so I know what I'm getting into. (I'm not a member of NAXJA yet; I'm still weighing my options as far as joining. Feel free to chime in if you have any suggestions for me.)
Scott Mac.
06-27-2004, 11:46
I agree with Lawn Cher's proposal. Being an Iowan, I would much rather participate in NAXJA events than join a local club and not do half the things that NAXJA members seem to get involved in. See the world and meet new and interesting people!! :rof:
There are both pro's and con's to national and local clubs. Get the best of both.
Incidentally, when you hit the "trails," do you have any members that have stock XJ's going through the mud? Do you have certain requirements for equipment on XJ's when off-roading in NAXJA events? I'm not putting a lift in my XJ for a while but I'd like to have the experience so I know what I'm getting into. (I'm not a member of NAXJA yet; I'm still weighing my options as far as joining. Feel free to chime in if you have any suggestions for me.)
Here are the requirements copied right out of the bylaws:
All vehicles must have the following equipment to attend the off road portion NAXJA sponsored Events
Legally required automobile insurance and registration;
Fire extinguisher;
First Aid Kit;
Tow Rope (no metal hooks allowed), Tow Chain, or Winch;
Safety belts;
Spare tire, jack, and lug wrench;
Hooks both front and rear (or suitable attaching point)
CB (HIGHLY recommended, but not mandatory)
Now as for recommendations, (in my opinion) Skid plates and rocker guards. Good tires designed for the terrain you intend to run.
Everything else is optional.
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