I'm going up to Carefree, AZ on Saturday 1/9/04 to do Telegraph Line road. Any one want to go. You probably need a real locker or lots of studid pedal. Lots of big holes to flex in and nice soft dirt/sand. The trail is next to Bartlett lake. I'll be there around 10am. Give me a call 480.220.5821 or write back before 5pm.