Amend a by-law.......LET THE VOTING BEGIN.....

[WesternXJ]

As most of you know, we have a $5 per Sierra Chapter run due that we voted in. It's been brought to my attention that we could have more than one run per month and paying for each run seems unfair. I would like to talk about this and maybe someone could make a motion to limit the due to ONLY ONE run per month. Anyone?

I'll let this run for a week and then we can vote.

[ChuckD]

Hi Keven,

When we talked last you said SC had adopted NAXJA bylaws. Reading the bylaws there is no mention of the $5.00 event fee. I agree with the fee, but I would also want to know what qualifies as a SC event/run. For example, if you post a run and only you and 2 members show up, your to collect $15. Then the $15 is sent to the Chapter treasurer. We need to do this even if it is just a short day run? Like I had mentioned to you earlier, I suggest we publish our all our chapter bylaws, before we do any voting.

Thanks

[WesternXJ]

The SC uses the national bylaws. In the national bylaws it says chapters can charge fees/dues. We voted in a $5 fee/due/donation per run (up to 6 per year) to be paid to the trip leader then given to the SC treasurer as a way to generate monies for the club. This money can only be used after a vote.

Any trip/run using this forum (bandwith) is considered a SC run. Limiting this fee to only one run a month [i:9f5041a5e3]might[/i:9f5041a5e3]
remove some anxiety from using this board and seems fair (to me). :?

Once this is voted on I'll post our amendments as a sticky. :wink:

[ChuckD]

Cool, Thanks Keven.

[WesternXJ]

Welcome.

[Kernel]

I don't see myself doing 6 runs with you guys this year but you never know. Will there be anywhere or anyplace to see how much you've contributed over the year? I know some people don't like to see stuff like that but we do drive Jeeps and they do break. What if you pay for those first 6 and all the runs are in the month of nebuary, are you all paid up for the year? Like we we would have 6 runs in one month. Maybe you just drop 30 bucks (if that's the max amount) on the first run are you clear for the year? Questions ?'s, ?'s,.... :?

[WesternXJ]

Yes, if you wanted to give the treasurer $30 in January, you'd be covered for the year, no matter how many runs you make. If a member doesn't think they'll make more than 6 runs per year, I reccomend paying as you go.

[ChuckD]

Does the treasurer have paypal or something set up to collect the monies. Who is the treasurer anyway? :shock: I think I'll just pay the 30, less hassle.

[Maximus]

The treasurer having paypal or something works out great. I think those that know they will hit six runs a year paying p front is very beneficial. The money that is collected can be used for things that maybe we each want but cannot afford such as onboard welder or pnuematic blender. Regardless we will all benefit from the fees. It may also help us when we fight to keep our favorite trails open. This is all just a thought.
:)

[WesternXJ]

SeanP. is our treasurer and he doesn't have pay-pal. You can mail me or SeanP. the money or give it to the trail leader of the next run you attend.


PS. I can't make the motion. :wink:

[Gary E]

Ok so I am not really a member but I will give my input, even though it doesn't really matter.

I personally don't care for the if you use the bandwidth its a Naxja chapter run and requires a $5 dollar donation. What if we do a last minute run and invite a few people, I don't consider it an official run. Or if Sean and I go to Praire city to see how badly our new homemade additions are gonna break :) and we invite other to come and :lol: I don't think $5 needs to be collected.

On the other hand planned and organized runs, such as what Chuck organized for Hollister (thanks for your efforts by the way, even though I did not make it.) And the JV run Richard is organizing, are diffrent and I think the $5 should be donated/collected.

The Naxja president asked us to organize a few runs this year, and so far we really haven't, Chuck took on the Hollister one but other than that we haven't really planned anything. I don't think it would be too big of a deal to plan out our summers runs now and have a calender.

for instance set a weekend late june to run the con (assuming its open)
another weekend for barrett in July
another weekend in aug for fordyce.

and some other weekend for rescue, mushroom rock or somewhere else.

[ChuckD]

I second Gary's non-motion :lol: , But i like where's he's going with this. Not because he used my name 2 or 3 times. :P

[Maximus]

I will second the motion for the $5. I see Garys point and that it is is just a point. There is a maximum that can collected through the year and the idea of paying ahead of time is cover the fact that we may have more than one run a month. I feel that a "run" should be something that the SC plans and is done in advance and not last minute. That means that if ten of us decide to go testing at PC that is not considered a "run". I may be way off base here but that is how I see it.

I'm for kicking down the 30.00 and being done with it...... :)

[crazy4mopar]

[quote:23ad0731cf="Anonymous"]I'm for kicking down the 30.00 and being done with it...... :)[/quote:23ad0731cf]

DOH!!! forgot to log in.

[WesternXJ]

Rob, someone (hint,hint) has to make a motion first before it can be seconded. :wink:

[Bronco]

I’m not an official member here yet ether but I will throw in my 2cents, The NAXJA bylaws have some fairly strict rules regarding what constitutes an event, and I quote…

SPONSORED EVENTS AND TRIP RULES
A Sponsored event is by definition an event in which NAXJA formally recognizes the Event as a NAXJA Event, and the Event is attended by at least one Director. Chapter Events must meet the same criteria. Formal recognition of an Event will be established by Board of Director voting procedures, and subsequent publication on the NAXJA website.

There are also other requirements that must be met to qualify. How bout having another read of the bylaws. It seams clear to me.
As for the money why not just ask for the full thirty dollars on the first run and make an exception if someone can’t come up with the cash right away. I just figure that this will save a lot of unnecessary five-dollar bill transactions. It’s all about wheelin not banking.

[Maximus]

I think that there is a difference between a sponsered event and a run. I also feel that for it to be posted as a SC run or event you would have to be a memeber of Naxja which then makes you a member of the SC. There is also nothing wrong with planning something back-channel if you want to do something last minute and maybe not organize a full run with a trail leader and so forth. In my opinion I think that paying $30 up front is not a big deal and if you cannot afford it all at once then arrangements can be made. I think that we are just trying to find a way to generate moneys that we all can benefit from and to help the chapter grow.

We can als go away from the whole $5 a run thing and get set up more as a normal club and just charge a flat fee of $30 whether you come out and participate or not. It is up to us to decide.

I will put in the first motion for the $5 a run or just pay the maximun of $30 a year in one shot. This is really only an interpretation issue and we cant seem to find the common ground that is needed.

[ChuckD]

I second Rob's motion to just pay the $30 max per year

[WesternXJ]

Bronco, you're confusing a "sponsered event" and a "run". :wink: You try rereading the bylaws. 8)

I vote aye.

[ChuckD]

[quote:fc534468e8="SactoXJ"]Bronco, you're confusing a "sponsered event" and a "run". :wink: You try rereading the bylaws. 8)

[/quote:fc534468e8]

Keven can you show me where the Bylaws define a run and where they define an event?

[Bronco]

Ok I had another read off the bylaws. The definition is for a “sponsored event or a trip” if a run is not a trip than I am indeed confused, and you will need to explain it more clearly. The bylaws were no doubt written for the lawyers in order for NAXJA to incorporate and I am no lawyer. However it dose seam to me that you are mistaken in your assertion that a “SC run” would not fall under the NAXJA definition (Event: A NAXJA sponsored activity as defined by the requirements of these bylaws)of an event. If not a “sponsored event or a trip” than what? And, if it is not a sponsored event than why would the SC feel it could collect any dues? It’s not sponsoring the event? Help me out here.

[Gary E]

:oops: As I reread my post, I realized I could be taken as a bit harsh on the orginization and perhaps officers, That is not how I wanted to come across. I think they are doing an excellent job, and are not getting the credit or appreciation they deserve.

I will offer to take on one of the runs I and others have suggested and organize/lead it. I don't want to overstep my authority though so I would appreciate it if one of the officers would asign me one. I am certainly not very experienced, but I have run fordyce a couple of times. So maybe that would be a good one for me. Give me a trail and a month, and I will take it from there.

[ChuckD]

I think the proposal of the flat $30 fee clears it all up. I know $35 for Naxja, then another $30 for SC. We just have to trust our officers to spend the money wisely with our best interests. I like Rob's idea of emergency/repair equipment, that's something we can all benefit from.

[Maximus]

Thanks Chuck! I agree with the $30 a year and then we dont have this disagreement about what is a run and what is a sponsered event. The bottom line is that the SC needs some sort of fees or something so we can operate. There are things such as chapter sickers that are being paid for out of an individuals pocket which the club should have the ability to reimburse the funds. No matter what we will all benefit!!! I think that we should start another thread and push the calender of events and really keep up on it. If we want to do just the $30 a yaer we will need another motion for it and I am not sure how that all works. So I will start the run thread and I would appreciate the support and ideas to flow. Thanks!!!

[WesternXJ]

Ooops, I realized I voted too soon. :oops: Voting will start on Monday.

[WesternXJ]

It's Monday and I vote aye.

I'll let this go another week.

[ChuckD]

I vote aye.

[Stoney]

ok well i have a question? do u have to be a member of naxja to be a member of the seirra chapter?? because i don't want to be a member of naxja? y would i be?

i know i have an xj but i also live in cali so that means i should joins cal 4 wheel too?!?!?! ok so look at that that means thats like $110 for the year?!?!? i don't have that kind of money 4 wheeling is expensive anyways. (magizines, brakening down, GAS, and everyhting).

i do understand paying money to be in a club. don't get me wrong!! but i don't think that $60 to be in a club is worth it?!?! i mean i like the seirra chapter and naxja, but i mean what is naxja i understand it supports the blue ribbon thing but it is not like cal 4 where it accually supports cali.

i know all this stuff is opinatiol so i am not trying to camplain just state where i am coming from. and i really don't have anyother suggestion so if anyone has them i would be glad to hear them.

and i know other people feel the same way cuz it is tru (expensive). so i still want to be with the club i just don't know if i want to joind naxja.(i'll pay the $30 for the runs thats cool). just letting u guys here my point!!!


thanx
stoney

[ChuckD]

Well Stoney,

Nobody can make you becaome a NAXJA member, I didn't do it until after the Swamp run last summer. I wanted to find out what this was all about before I sent in my $35. What can I say, I benefit from the web site, I receive correct information from XJer's all over the world. You have to ask yourself, is your XJ better because you have used the bandwidth on this site or not. If your answer is yes then you should become a member of NAXJA to at least support all the hard working web programers and such.

Keven and I talked about the member/nonmember thing going on in SC. This is one idea I had, but you need to be voted in. This idea doesn't give you voting rights, but alows you to go on runs with out being a guest by an actual NAXJA member.

Honorary membership may be elected by majority vote of the board of directors. The honorary member is not obligated to pay dues and this membership expires one year from the date of the BOD vote, unless renewed by the BOD with an additional vote. Honorary members shall not be entitled to vote, nor hold any office or committee chair position in NAXJA. Honorary members who apply and are accepted for full membership shall immediately be eligible for all voting and office privileges.

[Stoney]

i like that idea, cuz seriuosly i don't have th money for that, when i am planning on moving out and stuff but i still want to hang out with the crew

really i don't mind paying the $30 bucks! just when it all adds up it gets $$$! and i do support the SC but i really don't know bout naxja just not really a piroty.(not to sound mean)

but thanx for explaining it for me XJ i really apperciated it!!

stoney

[WesternXJ]

Yes, if you live in the geographical area and belong to NAXJA, you're automaticaly a member of the Sierra Chapter.

What's wrong with paying NAXJA for what you're using and paying the chapter $5 for each run?

[Jes]

Okay, I've read throught the entire thread and am rather confused. What exactly are we voting on?

Jes

[ChuckD]

Here it is Jes.

[quote:580fba031c="Riley Salida, CA"]I think that there is a difference between a sponsered event and a run. I also feel that for it to be posted as a SC run or event you would have to be a memeber of Naxja which then makes you a member of the SC. There is also nothing wrong with planning something back-channel if you want to do something last minute and maybe not organize a full run with a trail leader and so forth. In my opinion I think that paying $30 up front is not a big deal and if you cannot afford it all at once then arrangements can be made. I think that we are just trying to find a way to generate moneys that we all can benefit from and to help the chapter grow.

We can als go away from the whole $5 a run thing and get set up more as a normal club and just charge a flat fee of $30 whether you come out and participate or not. It is up to us to decide.

I will put in the first motion for the $5 a run or just pay the maximun of $30 a year in one shot. This is really only an interpretation issue and we cant seem to find the common ground that is needed.[/quote:580fba031c]

[Jes]

So this is just a vote to make it a maximum of $30 a year for runs?

Jes

[ChuckD]

That's what I'm voting for, the members still have to choice of paying it in $5.00 increments or all at once.

I hope after this vote we will have our chapter bylaws posted.

[Kernel]

Chuck on your last post. With all said I'm a little confused. I'll agree on the $5 a SC run, I'll agree on a max $30 a year. What if you go on only 3 runs this year. Do you still need to caugh up another $15 bucks because your a SC member? :?

[ChuckD]

[quote:be40312719="Kernel"]Chuck on your last post. With all said I'm a little confused. I'll agree on the $5 a SC run, I'll agree on a max $30 a year. What if you go on only 3 runs this year. Do you still need to caugh up another $15 bucks because your a SC member? :?[/quote:be40312719]

Now rereading it, it is confusing. when I gave the 2nd motion, it was for the flat $30 fee per year. I emailed Rob, so he should be posting soon to clarify.

[Kernel]

cool.

I know last year I didn't make one run. In my case it would have been a waste of money. Good for the SC but not for me. :D I know just thinking of myself. :roll:

[Goatman]

I know I'm not officially in the SC, but I'm close and I have some ideas about what works and what doesn't work. What you all are attempting to do is WAY too complicated, and over time you will regret doing it. I see no practical way to keep track of how many runs any particular individual has run during the year, and whether they owe the $5 or not. Also, you'll have guests on the run who won't understand forking over $5, and you also will have people who just miss paying it, or the leader misses getting it from someone, and it would be unmanageable over time. Also, I don't think it's fair to a trip leader to have to deal with collecting money from everyone on every run. The isssue of what constitutes a club run is another unclear issue. Since we have insurance coverage with NAXJA it's necessary to make a determination on what is and what isn't a club sponsored run. Just talking about going someplace with friends on the forum does not constitute a club run, one of the purposes of the forum is to allow friends to communicate and put trips together....they are not all club runs. A club run has to be announced as a club run, i.e. "the run this month is to Fordyce", etc. So, you cannot just say that every trip that is talked about on the forums is a club run, it just doesn't work that way.

The idea about collecting $30 from everyone has more merit, but you really have no way to enforce it. Because of the way the chapter is set up, anyone who is a NAXJA member who lives in your geographical area is already a member of the Sierra Chaprter. Paying the $30 would be a voluntary contribution, and there's nothing wrong with that, but it would be difficult to enforce. Besides, to pass that kind of motion you will need a quorum of votes from a majority of all the NAXJA members that live in your geographical area.....not very likely.

It's necessary to raise a little money for the chapter to operate on, plus it's nice to be able to make a donation to a worthy land use cause now and then. My opinion is that it would be much easier to set aside one event a year, or more, as a fundraising run, and charge for that particular run. Those who want to support the chapter can attend the run and pay the fee, plus any guests would also pay the event fee. This would limit the "pain" of dealing with money to only once a year, and those who choose to not participate have nothing to complain about. Also, if stickers or t-shirts are ever made for the chapter, these should be sold for a profit as fund raisers rather than just covering the cost, which is much easier to deal with and accept than trying to collect membership or run money.

You all are making a good effort on this subject, and raising a little money for the chapter is needed. I encourage you to keep it real simple, and to look from the perspective of someone who you are trying to bring into the club. The comment was made about having some recources to make the chapter grow, which is a good thing. Please don't muddy the water by adding things into the equation that might actually keep some people away. A run that is clearly designated as a fund raising run is easy to do and should be universally accepted. The rest of the time you all can go wheeling and not be concerned about money issues.

Food for thought........

Richard G
past NAXJA president

[JR]

Just curious to where this money goes?? It just sits in some piggy bank?? It goes straight to NAXJA itself?

I'm not for having to pay money to go wheeling with a bunch of guys. That's not what a "club" is about to me.

Now if NAXJA or the Sierra Chapter will provide food, spare parts, etc. then it is well worth the money for the run. I know it's only $30 but it does not make sense if the money does not go anywhere.

When I think of a "club" I think it as a group of guys who love wheeling and participate in the sport quite a lot. Does it make sense to pay for the runs themselves?

Is it costing Sierra Chapter anything to keep this board up and running. If it is I agree with a fee there, but actually going on runs I don't believe there should be a fee.

Anybody seeing what I am? :?:

[WesternXJ]

First off, if your not a member of NAXJA, please keep your comments to yourself.

This motion was started to ammend the by-law WE ALL READY VOTED ON AND PASSED LAST YEAR. We agreed that ANY use of the forum to setup a run constituted an SC run.

THE ONLY THING WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS VOTE IS MAKE IT SO A PERSON ONLY HAS TO PAY FOR ONE RUN A MONTH (UP TO $30 PER YEAR).

Make sense now? :shock:

[ChuckD]

I thought Rob might have shot in here by now. Anyway, The vote is really simple,

[b:e62be37bdb]$30 per year period, whether or not you make it to a run or meeting. [/b:e62be37bdb]

[b:e62be37bdb]You still have the choice to pay in increments of $5.00. (whether is is per month or run is up to you). [/b:e62be37bdb]


The money goes into the chapter pot for such things:

T-shirts, stickers, hats (which will be reimbursed when sold)

Spare parts(for those with D35's), portable welder, emergency gear ect..

To help out a fellow SC member: death in the family, broken XJ(small loan), flowers :D

[b:e62be37bdb]The last thing is if you don't understand it or don't like it, then vote NAY so we can move on. And the next time we vote, probably should start another thread[/b:e62be37bdb]

[JP]

[quote:ed0fc44d5b]Just talking about going someplace with friends on the forum does not constitute a club run, one of the purposes of the forum is to allow friends to communicate and put trips together....they are not all club runs. A club run has to be announced as a club run, i.e. "the run this month is to Fordyce", etc. So, you cannot just say that every trip that is talked about on the forums is a club run, it just doesn't work that way.
[/quote:ed0fc44d5b]

This is what has always been confusing to me. I think the by-law was amended the way it was because we ASSUMED that since we were using NAXJA bandwith it had to be a sponsered run.

Goatman has some good points about not turning away potential members. Sticking a $5 fee in someones face before getting to know people and seeing if NAXJA is for them doesn't make sense if we want to increase membership. I voted for the $5 because it made sense to give a little back. But I was giving back because I had been around for a while and I had already gotten something out of NAXJA and SC. If I was new coming into the group I would probably ? the $$ too. I am all for raising $$ to support the chapter and 4x4 issues, but maybe we are overcomplicating things a bit. Before we go amending the by-laws again we should consider some of Goat's suggestions.

A fundraising run once or twice a year with maybe a larger $$ amount per person or rig is a pretty good option. Use some of the $$ to host a big BBQ one nite, but still be able to turn a profit. Then people may feel like they are getting some immediate return on their $$ and still helping the chapter.

[ChuckD]

Rob, Keven and I understand that there are many ways to bring money into the chapter. This is just our take on it. We are asking the the chapter to vote on it. Like I said, if you don't agree or simply just don't understand what's up for vote, then vote NAY. If the vote does not pass, we then can try agian.

Goatman does have some good points, but he is not a member of SC anymore.

THE THING THE REALLY GETS ME IS THAT THE CURRENT SC BYLAWS ARE UP IN THE AIR OR SOMETHING. I REALLY DON"T KNOW WHAT WE ARE CHANGING. SO BEFORE WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AGAIN, WE NEED OUR BYLAWS PUBLISHED.

Otherwise if it isn't published, whats the point in following it or abiding by it.

[JP]

Ok, Nay. I think we need to consider all the options available for fundraising and look at what has already passed as by-laws. Then we can have and educated proposal and vote that either amends the per run fee to include a cap $$ paid per year OR changed to a different style of raising $$.

Jeff

Goatman may not be a member of SC, but it seems he has some experience on organizing a club, which I do not. I was just agreeing with some of his suggestions.

[Maximus]

Ok I just back from Canada and read the thread. It seems we are all not sure of what we are even doing here. The main thing that we are trying to do is to raise some funds for SC. Yes having a big event to raise money for the club is great but where does the money come from to even organize the thing before we start collecting registration fees? The SC is like any business it needs money to operate and benefit each of its memebers. If we have an event and no money to organize it it then falls upon those who can afford it and want to do the event anyways and that is not fair.

As for new members coming to a club it is given knowledge that there will be some kind of dues or fees to pay. When was the last time joined something and didnt have to pay to use its resources? So I think that anyone looking at our club will cough up the dough.

For the record I vote AYE.

We need to look towrd the future of the cluband not just what today is. Like what Chuck said, If you done agree or dont understand then vote Nay. That is the beauty of the club we do what we want through a voting system.

[crazy4mopar]

[quote:04ae79931e="Riley Salida, CA"]
As for new members coming to a club it is given knowledge that there will be some kind of dues or fees to pay. When was the last time joined something and didnt have to pay to use its resources? So I think that anyone looking at our club will cough up the dough.[/quote:04ae79931e]

I've gotten WELL over 30.00 worth of knowledge from this forum, So I vote(if I'm allowed) Yea

[Kernel]

nay. I like the $5 a run when it's an offical SC run. but what's an offical SC run.

[Ivan]

I would have to vote for the $5 per run idea myself. Even though I'm part of the SC; being in Eureka, I'm too far away to make it to many of the runs closer to the Sacto area where most are held. Wish I had the time and money to make some inland runs.

Speaking of runs... I'd be willing to coordinate another Usal Ridge trail run like I did last year. It's a realtively mild run, but very scenic along the coastal Usal range. Depending on weather, some good mud sections can be fun to deal with :twisted:

The run begins in Garberville, and ends up at Usal Beach (about 1/2 north of Fort Bragg. There's a nice camping / picnic area at Usal beach at the end of the run that was a lot of fun last year.

I wasn't quite sure how many folks would be interested in another run this year since it's one of those "been there, done that" kind of things. If there's enough interest, perhaps we can look into this further....

Ivan

[Maximus]

I think many are confused on the whole fees thing. A while ago the by laws were ammended to charge a $5 fee for each run. This vote is essentially to limit the amount an individual would have to pay per year to just $30. This being that if you attened 2 runs a month you wouldnt spend a bunch of money but hit a maximum of $30. This is out there to protect you not rip you off. Some feel the flat fee is the way to go because there is disagreement on what constitutes an official SC run. Those who are concerned with what the money will be for have already answered your own questions and we dont need to dig deeper into that. I have a feeling this wont ever get anywhere and some peoples feelings are getting hurt and I for one do not want that. Remember we are a club of friends and should help each other and not bring each other down for any reason. Thanks!!! :D

[ChuckD]

Is this vote over yet? :confused:

[Kejtar]

OK, for starters... yeah I am not a member of SC but... I will shortly be a member of SoCal chapter. We are goign to through the same growing pains and even though we are still in the process of electing BOD some of us are already thinking (I hope more then just me :) )as to where we will get $$ for tshirts and goodies and such.....

Keep in mind that this is just my opinion so take it for what it's worth and please refrain from flaming me for posting suggestions as I have seen done to others.

Well, things are not as simple as a fee for runs. For starters if you take on the fee thing well....
1. THere will have to be an official trail master. That trail master will be responsible for safety inspections (unless a safety inspection person gets elected).
2. If any vehicle fails safety inspection, it will HAVE to be turned away. Here in SoCal we just had our annual Jamboree where 2 people (at least 2 on the second day) didn't meet the rules. But since it was the SoCalXJ run where we don't have safety inspections, just recomendations, it was decided that with care we can take someone that has no front towpoints for example (he ended up being dragged ass first up a hill, but that's a different story).
3. You are talking about voting in people for the benefit of being a SC member while not being a NAXJA member. Well, last time I checked, the chapters are there to benefit the overall club. I am not saying that the chapter should not generate an income, but the chapter should have the overall well being in mind first. The servers and the software that they are running on are not free. Neither is the hosting. So the way you're doing it, people who use and benefit from NAXJA will end up paying SC for the general benefit. that's kind of...... selfish.
4. Also I think that the by-laws ammendment will have to be voted in by the national BOD as they have to approve the chapter by-laws (but I am not 100% sure on that...)

Anyways, also look at it this way: a chapter is there to raise people's interest in the NAXJA as a whole. So why turn them away and make them go behind and backchannel to organize the runs just to avoid the fees and so on? Also as it was brought up: how are you going to take care of hte logistics of who's current, who's not?

I don't want to sound harsh or rude or anything like that but things are becoming here complicated. This is the same thing that the SoCal people are afraid of happening so we decided (in SoCal) that the only annual recurring fee that there will be is the national fee. The runs where peopel get together will be free, and we are thinking (again some of us already are) about organizing an annual event that would be generating $$ for the chapter: look at NAC. I think that they are the most active chapter when it comes to making official runs/events.

Btw, at the events ussually there is something for something :) WHen a fee is being paid the participants get raffle tickets, or a free meal or something.

Kejtar
P.S. As I said... consider this for what it is... a view from an outsider (in a way) that understands the problems as he's been faced and will be faced with a similar situation.

[ChuckD]

We have addressed other avenues for fund raising (thansk to Goatman and others sugestions). They are in other threads. This one however started as a discssion then turned into an official vote, then back to a discussion. :confused:

We didn't want to discourage membership but simplify the debate over an official Chapter run or not. Maybe a flat fee will work, but not $30, maybe 10 or 15.

Lastly I agree with this:

3. You are talking about voting in people for the benefit of being a SC member while not being a member. Well, last time I checked, the chapters are there to benefit the overall club. I am not saying that the chapter should not generate an income, but the chapter should have the overall well being in mind first. The servers and the software that they are running on are not free. Neither is the hosting. So the way you're doing it, people who use and benefit from will end up paying SC for the general benefit. that's kind of...... selfish.

Kejtar

[Kejtar]

I just went through the other threads (waiting on something at work so I got couple minutes to kill and normal forums have no activity today :( ) and I like what I'm seeing :) :) (not that you guys need my approval LOL ).

Anyways, thanks for taking looking at my post objectively :) . I still think that for that $$ that will be charged there has to be something else given except just a right to ride the trails, but that's just my opinion (maybe a hot dog fund or something like that? ).

One of these days when we get SoCal chapter up and running we will have to do an official combined event.....

Kejtar

[WesternXJ]

Amendment failed.

THE VOTE FOR THE $5 PER RUN (UP TO $30 PER YEAR) PASSED LAST YEAR AND ONLY APPLIES TO NAXJA/SC MEMBERS.

IT WAS DECIDED THAT ANY RUN POSTED ON THE SC FORUM WAS CONSIDERED AN OFFICIAL SC RUN.

THE VOTING IS FINAL, UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO START ANOTHER TREAD AND MAKE A MOTION.