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Jeep Driver
October 16th, 2017, 06:35
I got my quote this morning for a full 6 gauge cluster from NVU.

This is not cheap.

Gauges will be modern gauges with GPS speedo, analogue, stock arrangement, LED backlit with choice of color. Not a face behind bezel like they are now but a full face cluster. Will remain behind window just as they are now. The idea is to have 2017 gauges that look like they were always there.
There are many other options as well I suppose, graphics, font, needle color.....etc........

I'm just putting this out there, I'm not recruiting you to get one cheaper. I will have to pay for mine regardless.

There has yet to be an option for early MJ/XJ, but there will be one now.

If anyone is interested you can post here.

Kittrell
October 16th, 2017, 07:33
Will be interested to see the end product. At the price point you'll likely have to grab one fast if you want one. I do not imagine the market will be there for them to continue to offer the product.

scottmcneal
October 16th, 2017, 07:50
whats the cost, do we know yet?

RCP Phx
October 16th, 2017, 11:39
That's a expensive and ambitious project. I hope that you do it with the appropriate wire this time and not building wire!

Kittrell
October 16th, 2017, 11:45
whats the cost, do we know yet?

If it's anything like other setups I saw on the site, looking at $800+.

Bent
October 16th, 2017, 13:14
If it's anything like other setups I saw on the site, looking at $800+.
I got my factory gauges for $400- than that and they came with a clean MJ.
YIKES!

Jeep Driver
October 16th, 2017, 17:03
That's a expensive and ambitious project. I hope that you do it with the appropriate wire this time and not building wire!


WTF are you talking about?

Jeep Driver
October 16th, 2017, 17:19
https://www.flickr.com/photos/90719091@N02/with/10624889455/

greg-night and greg-box will be the style that I'm looking for and Perf2night will be the layout.

Jeep Driver
October 16th, 2017, 17:20
If it's anything like other setups I saw on the site, looking at $800+.

Well beyond that.

This is not for everyone.

Jeep Driver
October 16th, 2017, 17:22
Will be interested to see the end product. At the price point you'll likely have to grab one fast if you want one. I do not imagine the market will be there for them to continue to offer the product.

No, they already stated this will not be marketed.

RCP Phx
October 16th, 2017, 21:17
WTF are you talking about?

Half of your wiring is SO cord!!!
http://i.imgur.com/BNLyv87.jpg (http://imgur.com/BNLyv87)
http://i.imgur.com/vWiX50H.jpg (http://imgur.com/vWiX50H)

Jeep Driver
October 16th, 2017, 22:09
Half of your wiring is SO cord!!!
http://i.imgur.com/BNLyv87.jpg (http://imgur.com/BNLyv87)
http://i.imgur.com/vWiX50H.jpg (http://imgur.com/vWiX50H)

It's service cable/cord, I know exactly what it is, I sought it out.

I get 10/4 for $2 a foot, I strip it out. Service cord is more heat resistant, oil resistant, and more flexible. That's 10g wire at $.50 per foot.

There's nothing wrong with it, in fact I think it's better. And it's not 'building wire".

I'm using it for brakes, fan, lights.

You, criticize me? lol

Anak
October 17th, 2017, 08:25
Interesting choice for wire.

Can you show me some information/links showing how it compares to SXL, MXL, TXL and how it meets/exceeds SAE J1128?

I don't think it takes much to improve on primary wire (GPT), but I have been pretty happy with cross-link wire.

ETA: I don't think those service cord conductors are well suited to abrasion. From my experience all the abrasion resistance is in the outer jacket, and that is generally fine because the conductors are never exposed. They are either inside the jacket or only exposed for a fraction of an inch inside the plug where they can't really get into any trouble.

Bent
October 17th, 2017, 09:38
I like to run Romex because I don't need terminations on the wires; I just loop it and screw it down. The jacket is very tough and resistant to abrasion as well.

Jeep Driver
October 17th, 2017, 11:07
Interesting choice for wire.

Can you show me some information/links showing how it compares to SXL, MXL, TXL and how it meets/exceeds SAE J1128?

I don't think it takes much to improve on primary wire (GPT), but I have been pretty happy with cross-link wire.

ETA: I don't think those service cord conductors are well suited to abrasion. From my experience all the abrasion resistance is in the outer jacket, and that is generally fine because the conductors are never exposed. They are either inside the jacket or only exposed for a fraction of an inch inside the plug where they can't really get into any trouble.

LOL.........

I'm not that anal.

RCP Phx
October 17th, 2017, 11:10
(scene)>soundtrack from "Deliverance" playing

It's service cable/cord, I know exactly what it is, I sought it out.

I get 10/4 for $2 a foot, I strip it out. Service cord is more heat resistant, oil resistant, and more flexible. That's 10g wire at $.50 per foot.

There's nothing wrong with it, in fact I think it's better. And it's not 'building wire".

I'm using it for brakes, fan, lights.

Best part of all using extension cords is if you leave the ends on, you can use them for "quick dis-connects"

RCP Phx
October 17th, 2017, 12:11
FWIW...... The NEC and U.L. cover the product with tons of info(as a building/construction product), where as SAE only recognizes it for use to plug in your Tesla !!!

40yrs IBEW Wireman and 20yrs a IAEI Senior Electrical Inspector

I like "SIS" wire a lot, you can't burn with a propane torch but it has limited colors(easily taken care of).
But I like to use marine grade for a lot of choices.
https://www.westmarine.com/primary-wire
On top of that is aviation wiring for interior use but it has limited color choices to..
? https://www.westmarine.com/primary-wire

Bent
October 17th, 2017, 12:59
LOL.........

I'm not that anal.
OCD is for Observing Critical Details.

Green XJ Jeep
October 17th, 2017, 13:10
While i cant speak for the chouve of wire used in the photo I have used sone of this for trailer and drag car wiring
https://www.sherco-auto.com/duplex-triplex-quadraplex-automotive-cable.html?Session_ID=bb9fee3b457c3c0c68bab380cdd3 cb5b

Anak
October 17th, 2017, 15:54
While i cant speak for the chouve of wire used in the photo I have used sone of this for trailer and drag car wiring
https://www.sherco-auto.com/duplex-triplex-quadraplex-automotive-cable.html?Session_ID=bb9fee3b457c3c0c68bab380cdd3 cb5b


That is perfectly fine. It is designed for that purpose.

The OP is claiming that extension cords are a superior product, but thus far, strictly on his own word, not with any objective basis.

His choice of wiring may have the "cheap" advantage, but he has yet to show us how it has any "quality" advantages. Given his response to one set of objective measures I doubt he can provide any useful information on that front.

Anak
October 17th, 2017, 15:55
OCD is for Observing Critical Details.

I prefer "Critical Details Observed", or CDO. That way the letters are in alphabetical order. As they should be.

:D

Green XJ Jeep
October 17th, 2017, 15:59
The OP is claiming that extension cords are a superior product, but thus far, strictly on his own word, not with any objective basis.

His choice of wiring may have the "cheap" advantage, but he has yet to show us how it has any "quality" advantages. Given his response to one set of objective measures I doubt he can provide any useful information on that front.

modus operandi

Jeep Driver
October 17th, 2017, 21:24
FWIW...... The NEC and U.L. cover the product with tons of info(as a building/construction product), where as SAE only recognizes it for use to plug in your Tesla !!!

40yrs IBEW Wireman and 20yrs a IAEI Senior Electrical Inspector

I like "SIS" wire a lot, you can't burn with a propane torch but it has limited colors(easily taken care of).
But I like to use marine grade for a lot of choices.
https://www.westmarine.com/primary-wire
On top of that is aviation wiring for interior use but it has limited color choices to..
? https://www.westmarine.com/primary-wire

Explains everything.

Union, upper midwest or north east. Daddy didn't love you and you spent your entire life busting someones balls.
32 years in the trades and I've come across many of you.


My lights and fans will still be running long after they chuck you in a box.

Jeep Driver
October 17th, 2017, 21:26
That is perfectly fine. It is designed for that purpose.

The OP is claiming that extension cords are a superior product, but thus far, strictly on his own word, not with any objective basis.

His choice of wiring may have the "cheap" advantage, but he has yet to show us how it has any "quality" advantages. Given his response to one set of objective measures I doubt he can provide any useful information on that front.

I didn't claim anything, I didn't even bring this shit up.

This thread is about a cluster..........not the shit cluster you turned it into.

Jeep Driver
October 17th, 2017, 21:28
While i cant speak for the chouve of wire used in the photo I have used sone of this for trailer and drag car wiring
https://www.sherco-auto.com/duplex-triplex-quadraplex-automotive-cable.html?Session_ID=bb9fee3b457c3c0c68bab380cdd3 cb5b

Yep, same shit packaged 6 different ways.

JohnX
October 17th, 2017, 22:04
So how much is the cluster gonna be?

Jeep Driver
October 17th, 2017, 22:10
So how much is the cluster gonna be?

Mine will be $2,536.67

If you guys put a group together it will be cheaper for you.

Anak
October 17th, 2017, 23:18
Yep, same shit packaged 6 different ways.

One of the things that makes NAXJA a great place is the accuracy of information. To that end I would like to make it clear that the wire that Jeep Driver has used in his application is not the same wire that Geen XJ Jeep has linked.

What is in Jeep Driver's install is not clearly identified, but it is the sort of wire you would find in an extension cord or a power tool cord. It might be SO, SOO, SJO, or one of the many others on this list:

https://www.multicable.com/resources/reference-data/wire-abbreviations-and-descriptions/

You may note that nowhere on that list is "Primary" wire.

The wire linked to by Green XJ Jeep is clearly identified as primary wire, and as such is intended for automotive application.

If you were to handle samples of each type you would find that they feel noticeably different. That is because they are different.

The SO/SOO/SJO etc wires probably have a thermoset insulation while the primary wire probably has a thermoplastic insulation. A brief comparison of those two may be found here: http://www.awcwire.com/thermoset-thermoplastic

The wiring which I prefer for automotive applications is SXL/TXL/GXL which are thermoset insulated wires engineered for the automotive realm. I have these wires on hand and they do not feel at all the same as do the conductors in my extension cords or power tool cords. They are not the same. This is why I asked for a comparison to a known and established standard.

I would much rather work with facts than hearsay.

A quick skim through the multicable link should give anyone a sense of the range of wire types available, the variables and the specialized nature of many of the products. And none of those wires are automotive grade. That is yet another world, a list of which can be found here: http://www.awcwire.com/faq-automotive-wire

I am not aware of any crossover between the two worlds.

Jeep Driver
October 17th, 2017, 23:28
One of the things that makes NAXJA a great place is the accuracy of information. To that end I would like to make it clear that the wire that Jeep Driver has used in his application is not the same wire that Geen XJ Jeep has linked.

What is in Jeep Driver's install is not clearly identified, but it is the sort of wire you would find in an extension cord or a power tool cord. It might be SO, SOO, SJO, or one of the many others on this list:

https://www.multicable.com/resources/reference-data/wire-abbreviations-and-descriptions/

You may note that nowhere on that list is "Primary" wire.

The wire linked to by Green XJ Jeep is clearly identified as primary wire, and as such is intended for automotive application.

If you were to handle samples of each type you would find that they feel noticeably different. That is because they are different.

The SO/SOO/SJO etc wires probably have a thermoset insulation while the primary wire probably has a thermoplastic insulation. A brief comparison of those two may be found here: http://www.awcwire.com/thermoset-thermoplastic

The wiring which I prefer for automotive applications is SXL/TXL/GXL which are thermoset insulated wires engineered for the automotive realm. I have these wires on hand and they do not feel at all the same as do the conductors in my extension cords or power tool cords. They are not the same. This is why I asked for a comparison to a known and established standard.

I would much rather work with facts than hearsay.

A quick skim through the multicable link should give anyone a sense of the range of wire types available, the variables and the specialized nature of many of the products. And none of those wires are automotive grade. That is yet another world, a list of which can be found here: http://www.awcwire.com/faq-automotive-wire

I am not aware of any crossover between the two worlds.



Goddamn! WTF is wrong with you?

Most of you own $500 rustbucket POS and you are worried about the scientific makeup of wire insulation?

And you are going to blame me for false information about my own ****ing truck?????????


You people need to mind your own ****ing business.


jesus christ..........what a ****ing asshole.

Jeep Driver
October 17th, 2017, 23:37
And don't worry, I already requested my own thread be deleted.

GSequoia
October 18th, 2017, 00:35
We don't typically kill threads because you don't like where it has gone. No rules were broken here, yeah it's spiraled a bit but it's spiraled in a way that has good tech.

Bent
October 18th, 2017, 07:13
Mine will be $2,536.67

If you guys put a group together it will be cheaper for you.

Nominated.

Green XJ Jeep
October 18th, 2017, 07:14
Goddamn! WTF is wrong with you?

Most of you own $500 rustbucket POS and you are worried about the scientific makeup of wire insulation?

And you are going to blame me for false information about my own ****ing truck?????????


You people need to mind your own ****ing business.


jesus christ..........what a ****ing asshole.

To make it even easier . The wire in the link I provided does not have paper wrapped around the wires.
What you have essentially done is wired your truck with wire that will absord oil and cause a fire hazard.
Which is perfectly fine for what you are building. A money is no object show build that will never get daily driven or offroaded..

csailors
October 18th, 2017, 08:14
Nominated.

2nd

cracker
October 18th, 2017, 08:42
We don't typically kill threads because you don't like where it has gone. No rules were broken here, yeah it's spiraled a bit but it's spiraled in a way that has good tech.

Bingo.....thread stays.

It provides tech.....maybe of what not to do.....

RCP Phx
October 18th, 2017, 10:24
And don't worry, I already requested my own thread be deleted.

"The biggest communication problem is you don't listen to understand, you listen to reply"

Jeep Driver
October 18th, 2017, 15:39
"The biggest communication problem is you don't listen to understand, you listen to reply"

I know how to listen, I listen extremely well.

This thread was not, is not, about how I wired my truck, nor you opinion of it.

Had you stated your case without being a smartass, an unsolicited smartass, I may have listened to you.

You are not entirely right nor am I entirely wrong.

I'm not rewiring MY truck to suit you, anyway.

And no, I really don't give a **** what you think.

Bent
October 18th, 2017, 15:51
To the OP: what advantages will the new cluster provide? Is this a "look at me" modification or are you out to correct a deficiency(s) in your existing unit? What upgrades have you/are you making to the reporting/sending apparatus?

Jeep Driver
October 18th, 2017, 16:05
To the OP: what advantages will the new cluster provide? Is this a "look at me" modification or are you out to correct a deficiency(s) in your existing unit? What upgrades have you/are you making to the reporting/sending apparatus?

The short answer- there will be nothing original to my MJ, other than the cab, two front fenders, and the bed.........even then, the tail lights are going away, and of course, the dash.

It will not be a show truck, I'm not that good, but it will be a very nice driver.

Blown and injected SBC next year. I'm currently in the process of paint.

Coach Bruce
October 18th, 2017, 16:20
I got my factory gauges for $400- than that and they came with a clean MJ.
YIKES!

I don't care who you are. That's funny!

Johnnie Walker
October 19th, 2017, 14:24
2ndDo we need a ... 3rd?
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171019/deb2d7ec75ce64ce29bd98993fbf407d.jpg