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Rough idle and running when started hot.

LYKOS

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My 2001 XJ refuses to idle well or run well whenit's started in hot weather and is at 200 degrees or above. I generally only blasts a few seconds, 30 at the most, but it absolutely feels like it's going to choke to death when it dfoes it.


Any thoughts on possible causes?
 
Probably a failed check valve combined with heat soak and vapor lock Make sure your spark plugs are fresh and use AutoLite APP-985's. Sometimes some fuel injector cleaner will also help.

SYMPTOMS

• Longer than normal cranking times
• Never starts on first try, almost always starts on the second try
• Rough idle for a few moments of idling
• Rough running for first ½ block of driving
• Little or no fuel pressure at the fuel rail test valve similar to this -

1- Key in on position; fuel pump primes for 2 seconds then stops. 0 PSI
2- Cranking over the engine. 2-3 PSI
3- Engine starts and idles for 20 seconds. < 5 PSI
4- Engine idles and fuel pressure creeps up to 45-50 PSI.


POSSIBLE CAUSES

• Failed check valve on the fuel pump in the gas tank.
• Leaky fuel injector(s) may be the true cause of your problem, but more likely they are simply contributing to the check valve issue.

Testing of the fuel injectors should show if any are faulty and are allowing fuel to drain into the cylinder. Either problem can allow heat soak to vaporize the remaining fuel in the fuel rail and you may be dealing with a bit of vapor lock as well, especially in warmer weather.

1. Connect the gauge at the fuel rail and start the engine. The gage should read 49 psi plus or minus 5 psi.

2. Turn the engine off and immediately clamp the fuel line just ahead of the fuel tank. Watch the pressure gage and see how long it takes to loose pressure.

If the pressure remains at 49 psi for an extended period of time then the problem is in the tank - probably the check valve. If the pressure falls below 49 psi fairly rapidly then the problem is probably a leaky injector.

There are a few solutions to the problem –

1. Turn the key to ON for 5 seconds and let the fuel pump prime. Turn the key to OFF, turn the key back to ON for 5 seconds, start the engine.

2. Crank the engine for 3-5 seconds, pause, and crank the engine again. It will almost always start on the second try.

3. Replace the fuel pump assembly in the gas tank. The check valve is not a separate part and cannot be serviced. This is both expensive and time consuming because you have to remove any hitches and skid plates and then remove the gas tank from the vehicle.

You can use solutions 1 or 2 for as long as you want to, they do not harm anything and the fuel pump will continue to function for many more years.


If you do replace the fuel pump assembly, purchase a high quality OEM style unit. Some cheap aftermarket fuel pump assemblies, like Airtex, don’t hold up and fail completely within 12-18 months.
 
My 2001 XJ refuses to idle well or run well when it's started in hot weather and is at 200 degrees or above. I generally only blasts a few seconds, 30 at the most, but it absolutely feels like it's going to choke to death when it does it.
Any thoughts on possible causes?


Sounds like the typical hot soak issues almost all 2000-2001 XJ, that are equipped with the dual mini cats on the exhaust manifold, have.

The mini-cats release a lot of heat when the engine is shut down.
In warm weather, when the hot engine is shut down and then sits for 10-15 minutes, when restarted the engine stumbles terribly for 20-30 seconds.
This is due to the heat rising up from the mini-cats and vaporizing the fuel in the fuel rail and injectors.
Many times it will set a CEL, usually P0303-#3 injector misfire or multiple cylinder misfire.

There is a TSB concerning this that insulates the #3 injector which I found to be totally ineffective.
Some of the 'fixes' I have tried include insulating the injectors and fuel rail, new injectors and fuel pump. None of them work all the time.
For me, the one thing that eliminates this problem 100% of the time is using a timer on the aux electric fan and running it for 2-3 minutes after shut down.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lwade/sets/72157617434915718/
Here is a thread to read.
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1028190&highlight=fan+timer
 
Thanks!!! Thatrs exactly the code I'm getting. It's annoying but I'm glad to be headed in a not so expensive direction to fix.
 
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