I smell fish II....forged!

[Beezil]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=303181

various links and vids.

someone got some 'splainin' to do.

[tbburg]

Not a birther, and don't care. The headline caught my eye. Even if there is a doubt about the authenticity of this document, would there be any better way to dispel any doubts? Just have the Donald declare it's fake. Anybody in their right mind will have a strong suspicion planted in their mind that he's wrong.


I swear, that idiot could say the moon orbits around the earth and I'd start to doubt the science behind it. Honestly, Is Trump a closet Democrat, just pretending to be a Republican?

[Beezil]

Food for thought:

Donald trump is irrelavant to this discussion

He is the distraction in the story line liberals are counting on

Take donald out of the discussion and what do you have?

A doctored document presented to the people by the potus

I made fake id's in college on a 50 dollar budget having higher quality than that piece of ass wipe

[CherBear]

Agreed with Beezil. Going to find the original to do some of my own work.
If what they say in this article is true.... then who ever made this is in line for a TOTY award.

[Beezil]

I didnt give a 5hit about this until the whitehouse decided to publish it

It looked like crap the first time i laid eyes on it, and i dont even own a copy of adobe illustrator

[Darky]

Trump is a Democrat and has donated extensively to them over the years.

I'd be interested to see if any more "reputable" pages pick this up...I read wnd, but sometimes they can come off a bit crazy...

[420BlackXJ]

The good news is, that by the time the republicant's figure it all out, O will have finished his second term, so it won't matter. And it is his second term that he will not give a XXXX about being re-elected, and you know what that means, don't you.

[Crawler]

Well now, isn't this "entertaining"...


*********************

Corsi: Trump Conspired With Obama To Neutralize Birther Controversy
Author says he is about to blow the whistle on who helped forged the long form birth certificate

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Monday, May 23, 2011

As he prepares to release shocking new evidence and name the people who he claims were behind the forgery of Barack Obama’s long form birth certificate, author Jerome Corsi sensationally accused short-lived Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump of “working with Obama” to neutralize the birther controversy.

Appearing on the Alex Jones Show, Corsi said that he now completely discounted the apparent efforts of Donald Trump to force the release of Obama’s birth certificate, stating, “I’m completely convinced at this point Donald Trump was subterfuge, that he…. was working with Obama.”

Corsi explained how he was contacted directly by Trump, because Trump wanted to know what was going on behind the scenes, and that he requested several copies of Corsi’s book before it was released.

Trump’s role according to Corsi was to “beat the drums big” and craft a false resolution to the controversy in order to make the press “go to sleep” and get his $60 million dollar television contract with NBC, owned by General Electric, which is closely allied with the Obama administration.

Regarding who actually helped the administration create the forgery, Corsi pointed out that “they were stuck with the guys who were close to them,” because putting out a proposal for outside experts to forge the document would have been far too risky.

“I’m pretty well on the trail of linking the characteristics of this document to someone who’s going to have a lot of explaining to do,” said Corsi, adding that he was “hot on the trail” of one individual who “may have had a hand in this,” and that his identity would be released this week.

“The forger is someone who does not work in government, he works in the media and is close to the administration and would have been within the circle of friends that may have been called on to do the forgery or participate in the forgery,” said Corsi.

Corsi said that the information contained in his book, Where’s the Birth Certificate?, and the new revelations he was about to unleash would mean the Obama administration “would not survive,” because the evidence proves the administration has tried to preserve itself using “criminal fraud”.

“I got a call about three weeks before it was released from one of my sources in Hawaii and I was told that the new long form birth certificate had been forged, had been slipped into the log book,” said Corsi, noting that efforts to create the fake began shortly after reporter Mike Evans let slip that Hawaii Governor and close friend Neil Abercrombie had been shocked at his failure to find Obama’s long form birth certificate, and were timed to pre-empt the release of Corsi’s book.

During the interview, Corsi listed numerous examples of where the new birth certificate was clearly forged, including an obvious misspelling on the stamp and a “smiley face” that appears in the signature of the doctor once the document is blown up to 800 per cent, both of which don’t occur in the hundreds of other examples of the signature that Corsi has studied.

The letters in the document also share identical pixelations despite the fact that they are purportedly from a typewriter, which would produce different pixelations if transferred to an electronic document every time. The identical pixelations prove that the document was created on a modern computer.

Another aspect of the birth certificate pointing to forgery is the fact that the electronic PDF document released by the White House clearly shows evidence of ‘kerning’ – where parts of letters overlap each other for a pleasing visual effect – this is produced by modern computers and was not possible on 1960′s typewriters.

“The administration will not show the original, in 1961 there were no computers, where’s the original paper birth certificate if it exists?” asked Corsi, adding that the original document needs to undergo forensic analysis. Corsi visited the Hawaii Department of Health as well as the Kapi’olani Medical Center in an attempt to see the original certificate or patient records for Obama’s mother Ann Dunham, but was told that police would be called if he didn’t vacate the premises.

During an interview with a Denver radio station last week, Corsi said he was about to release bombshell evidence that proved the alleged Obama birth certificate released last month was a composite of three different birth certificates from other individuals born at the same hospital.

“I’m going to be telling the entire world about this scandal over the next few weeks,” Corsi said in a separate interview. “This is going to make Watergate look like a political sideshow by comparison.”

In an effort to derail the success of Corsi’s book, Esquire Magazine then put out a hoax article claiming that publisher Joseph Farah had ordered the book to be pulled from store shelves. Farah is considering whether to launch a lawsuit in response.

Watch Corsi’s full interview with Alex Jones below:

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Paul Joseph Watson is the editor and writer for Prison Planet.com. He is the author of Order Out Of Chaos. Watson is also a regular fill-in host for The Alex Jones Show.

*********************

http://www.prisonplanet.com/corsi-trump-conspired-with-obama-to-neutralize-birther-controversy.html

[420BlackXJ]

Too bad any repercussions will be a day late and a dollar short.
Worst case is Biden is announced as president.
Give it up, it won't get you anywhere but mad.

Let go of things that don't serve you, but force you to serve them.Hasta

[Darky]

At the very least, if this all pans out and Biden is announced as pres, we'd have a president who was there legally.

[CherBear]

At the very least, if this all pans out and Biden is announced as pres, we'd have a president who was there legally.

Pick your poisin... I would rather have some one who knows what the hell they are doing over some one who was here legally or not.

[Darky]

Pick your poisin... I would rather have some one who knows what the hell they are doing over some one who was here legally or not.
Ah, a complete reboot, I like.

[Crawler]

At the very least, if this all pans out and Biden is announced as pres, we'd have a president who was there legally.
...and without such a conspicuous chip on his shoulder.


Biden would likely enlist Hillary as VP and might even step down. Hillary would then run for President.

This whole BC senario presents another possibility as to why Sarah Palin hasn't yet announced if she's running... :idea:

[CherBear]

...and without such a conspicuous chip on his shoulder.


Biden would likely enlist Hillary as VP and might even step down. Hillary would then run for President.

This BC senario presents another possibility why Sarah Palin hasn't yet announced if she's running... :idea:

Good lord I hope she doesnt.... I am no sexist, but damn that woman is stupid.

[XJEEPER]

Pick your poisin... I would rather have some one who knows what the hell they are doing over some one who was here legally or not.

Biden knows what he is doing.....is this really what you meant to say? As stated before, whether Obama is a citizen or he isn't, what doesn't change is that he is a Marxist Socialist collaborating with others within and outside the Congress and White House to undermine the US Constitution and free-market capitalism.

Judge the man by his actions, who supports him and who he associates with, who shares a common agenda.

Good lord I hope she doesnt.... I am no sexist, but damn that woman is stupid.

Not sure your opinion holds much water......based on previous statements.

Care to provide the basis of said opinion?

[GrimmJeeper]

loading that pdf document into adobe illustrator shows multiple clipping paths and layers. pretty interesting.

[Darky]

loading that pdf document into adobe illustrator shows multiple clipping paths and layers. pretty interesting.
No offense to XJEEPER, but you saying that holds more weight than him to me. He, of course, will go for the anti-Obama rhetoric. You tend to stay fairly neutral.

[Beezil]

what doesn't change is that he is a Marxist Socialist collaborating with others within and outside the Congress and White House to undermine the US Constitution and free-market capitalism.






not to mention nato/hillary collusion.

[Beezil]

BTW..

I'm not jumping on the birther bandwagon.

Concern and the expectation for action over eligibility requirements is past the point of no return.

what concerns me is that OUR white house has produced and published what appears to be a forged or untruthful document, and we can assume at the request of, or under direction of the president himself.

Liberals are using Trump in a diversionary tactic, and some of you are lathering in it.

What needs to be carefully considered here is the existence of a fraudulent document, which by definition would amount to a conspiracy perpetrated on the entire populace.

where is the outrage?

[YELLAHEEP]

What needs to be carefully considered here is the existence of a fraudulent document, which by definition would amount to a conspiracy perpetrated on the entire populace.

where is the outrage?



Indeed. That is the issue for me as well. :thumbup:

[CherBear]

Biden knows what he is doing.....is this really what you meant to say? As stated before, whether Obama is a citizen or he isn't, what doesn't change is that he is a Marxist Socialist collaborating with others within and outside the Congress and White House to undermine the US Constitution and free-market capitalism.

Judge the man by his actions, who supports him and who he associates with, who shares a common agenda.



Not sure your opinion holds much water......based on previous statements.

Care to provide the basis of said opinion?

Yes,

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/sarahpalin/a/palin-top-10.htm

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/sarahpalin/a/palinisms.htm

And ok fine, maybe a humor website isnt the best of sources, but all of those are true.



Also, has anyone seen anything in the news about this? I have seen nothing! I would expect at least something, at least on FOX!

[XJEEPER]

Yes,

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/sarahpalin/a/palin-top-10.htm

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/sarahpalin/a/palinisms.htm

And ok fine, maybe a humor website isnt the best of sources, but all of those are true.



Also, has anyone seen anything in the news about this? I have seen nothing! I would expect at least something, at least on FOX!

I was more interested in the Biden vs Obama comparison, Palin...not so much.

[CherBear]

Ah ok, sorry for the misunderstanding.
It is my opinion that Biden is a much more qualified person to be president, I just disagree with his political views.
Would you like to me list which particular views of his I dislike, or will that suffice?

[GrimmJeeper]

You tend to stay fairly neutral. I'm an equal opportunity hater, I don't like anybody :D

[XJEEPER]

No offense to XJEEPER, but you saying that holds more weight than him to me. He, of course, will go for the anti-Obama rhetoric. You tend to stay fairly neutral.

Are we even having the same discussion here?

My comments were relative to Biden VS Obama comparison…..I merely wanted clarity. What I read from CherBear’s statement is that Biden would be better as POTUS because he knew what he was doing, as opposed to Obama, who’s qualifications for President via the valid birth certificate were being questioned.

Separate topics altogether. Thanks to Cher for clarifying.

Not offended, and to clarify, I’m not anti-Obama…….I’m pro-American. My beliefs are based on Constitutional principles and values. If Obama's actions were in alignment with these, I’d be singing his praises from the rooftops.

I'm anxiously awaiting further developments on this document, the conspiracy angle is intriguing.

EDIT: Darky, my statement directed at Obama is not rhetoric, it is fact.

[GrimmJeeper]

I find the layers in the document to be the most intriguing. there is no reason whatsoever that there should be layer separation in a scanned document, period. it's nothing more that a digital snapshot of the paper laid onto the scanner.

[Crawler]

BTW..

I'm not jumping on the birther bandwagon.

Concern and the expectation for action over eligibility requirements is past the point of no return.

what concerns me is that OUR white house has produced and published what appears to be a forged or untruthful document, and we can assume at the request of, or under direction of the president himself.

Liberals are using Trump in a diversionary tactic, and some of you are lathering in it.

What needs to be carefully considered here is the existence of a fraudulent document, which by definition would amount to a conspiracy perpetrated on the entire populace.

where is the outrage?

Indeed. That is the issue for me as well. :thumbup:

Apparently Corsi's still hard on the case, including investigating information uncovered since the release of his book.

Once a little more incontrovertible evidence is brought out into the light, the MSM will have little choice but to start seriously covering the inevitable.

[CherBear]

Apparently Corsi's still hard on the case, including investigating information uncovered since the release of his book.

Once a little more incontrovertible evidence is brought out into the light, the MSM will have little choice but to start seriously covering the inevitable.

Thats what I thought, but I was betting on this being BIG news by now. Still nothing.

Maybe no news wants to touch this yes for fear of legal problems or other political entanglements. But that argument falls apart with the being the BIGGEST story in the last 50 years about politics.

[Beezil]

Thats what I thought, but I was betting on this being BIG news by now. Still nothing.

Maybe no news wants to touch this yes for fear of legal problems or other political entanglements. But that argument falls apart with the being the BIGGEST story in the last 50 years about politics.


what's in the news: christie offers reimbursement for usage of state helicopter as transportation from the capital.

not in the news: Obama brings a 500 person entourage along to a three-day g20 summit, complete with 200 secret serviceman, 6 doctors, 35 vehicles including limos and 12 teleprompters.

hey there, big spender!

what a rockstar.

[CherBear]

what's in the news: christie offers reimbursement for usage of state helicopter as transportation from the capital.

not in the news: Obama brings a 500 person entourage along to a three-day g20 summit, complete with 200 secret serviceman, 6 doctors, 35 vehicles including limos and 12 teleprompters.

hey there, big spender!

what a rockstar.

I am going to be honest here... I used to think everyone that threw around the idea of a "liberal media" was off the deep end so to speak. After seeing stuff like this go on, I have no doubt that ideology is correct. :thumbup:

[Darky]

Are we even having the same discussion here?

My comments were relative to Biden VS Obama comparison…..I merely wanted clarity. What I read from CherBear’s statement is that Biden would be better as POTUS because he knew what he was doing, as opposed to Obama, who’s qualifications for President via the valid birth certificate were being questioned.

Separate topics altogether. Thanks to Cher for clarifying.

Not offended, and to clarify, I’m not anti-Obama…….I’m pro-American. My beliefs are based on Constitutional principles and values. If Obama's actions were in alignment with these, I’d be singing his praises from the rooftops.

I'm anxiously awaiting further developments on this document, the conspiracy angle is intriguing.

EDIT: Darky, my statement directed at Obama is not rhetoric, it is fact.
Trust me, I'm on your side, but when there's one person who brings up anti-Obama stuff regularly talking on more anti-Obama stuff, it's expected. When someone who normally stays out of politics steps into the same conversation, it's a bit of a surprise and makes you take note!

PS, pro-American is anti-Obama. I have no conception that you dislike him because of his race or any reason other than his politics.

[Boatwrench]

I used to believe that President Obama was a one term office holder...but looking at the field of wishful contenders I am not so sure.

[Beezil]

I used to believe that President Obama was a one term office holder...but looking at the field of wishful contenders I am not so sure.

Tim Pawlenty.

[420BlackXJ]

Tim Pawlenty.

He got evicted from office much the same way the chimp did.
Elect a democrat above all else because Toilet Papers admin was so horrible.

[Beezil]

He got evicted from office much the same way the chimp did.
Elect a democrat above all else because Toilet Papers admin was so horrible.

how horrible?

[420BlackXJ]

how horrible?

Oh, lets see. How about a 6+ billion dollar deficit when he left office.
He, along with other republicant's, are very good at creating deficits.
Need more? Google it yourself.

[CherBear]

Oh, lets see. How about a 6+ billion dollar deficit when he left office.
He, along with other republicant's, are very good at creating deficits.
Need more? Google it yourself.

You are splitting hairs here. Both parties are guilty of increasing spending. But you are correct, republicans are historically big spenders in office.

[Beezil]

Yeah, those damn republicants are big spenders!

[Tom R.]

Oh, lets see. How about a 6+ billion dollar deficit when he left office.
While presidents sign budgets (appropriations) into law, it's Congress that determines them. And it was a democrat-controlled Congress beginning in 2006 when things really started going bad. I won't make excuses for Bush. He did things I think were outright bad for the country, but not on the scale of democrats.

Despite repeatedly telling America that he'd cut the federal deficit in half by the end of his first term, Obama has already managed to quadruple it with the help of his party colleagues. Democrats have been known as the "tax and spend" party for years.

[420BlackXJ]

While presidents sign budgets (appropriations) into law, it's Congress that determines them. And it was a democrat-controlled Congress beginning in 2006 when things really started going bad. I won't make excuses for Bush. He did things I think were outright bad for the country, but not on the scale of democrats.

Despite repeatedly telling America that he'd cut the federal deficit in half by the end of his first term, Obama has already managed to quadruple it with the help of his party colleagues. Democrats have been known as the "tax and spend" party for years.

Republicans have been known as the "borrow and spend" party for years.
A balanced federal budget amendment is what is necessary.

[bigalpha]

Two things:
1. I saw this website recently where some people did "forensic" digital analysis similar to what you're doing, Grimm. They found a few weird things with it. I don't remember the site off-hand.

2. Recently read this report/saw some graphs that basically state the Bush tax cuts are what's pumping up our huge defecit.

[MT Mike]

2. Recently read this report/saw some graphs that basically state the Bush tax cuts are what's pumping up our huge defecit.

Figures lie when liars figure.

In other words, anyone can manipulate data to reflect whatever conclusion they want to come up with.

[bigalpha]

Figures lie when liars figure.

In other words, anyone can manipulate data to reflect whatever conclusion they want to come up with.

Here's my source.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3490

[420BlackXJ]

Two things:
1. I saw this website recently where some people did "forensic" digital analysis similar to what you're doing, Grimm. They found a few weird things with it. I don't remember the site off-hand.

2. Recently read this report/saw some graphs that basically state the Bush tax cuts are what's pumping up our huge defecit.

It doesn't take a genius to come to this conclusion.
Deniers can drink more kool aid to avoid the truth.

[420BlackXJ]

Figures lie when liars figure.

In other words, anyone can manipulate data to reflect whatever conclusion they want to come up with.

That's what YOU do. The rest of us have to live with the unbridled truth.
MT, you will never get it. You must smoke too much dope.
And you all think I am the potsmoker. Ha.

[MT Mike]

64 percent of all the world's statistics are made up right there on the spot
82.4 percent of people believe 'em whether they're accurate statistics or not

:guitar:

[bigalpha]

:guitar:

Then you collect the raw data, compile it and run an analysis on it. I doubt any of us here are economists that are capable of doing the aforementioned process.

Thus, that leaves us to rely on the work of others and discuss their findings to the best of our abilities. Instead of just running with your line of "statisticians are liars" at least read the report and tell us why you disagree.

[MT Mike]

Then you collect the raw data, compile it and run an analysis on it. I doubt any of us here are economists that are capable of doing the aforementioned process.

Thus, that leaves us to rely on the work of others and discuss their findings to the best of our abilities. Instead of just running with your line of "statisticians are liars" at least read the report and tell us why you disagree.

It's not everyday someone openly admits that they believe everything they read on the intardnet. Congrats on being the first I've seen in a while.
:D :looser:

[bigalpha]

It's not everyday someone openly admits that they believe everything they read on the intardnet. Congrats on being the first I've seen in a while.
:D :looser:

:doh:

Forget it. You obviously missed the entire point.

[Beezil]

Republicans have been known as the "borrow and spend" party for years.
A balanced federal budget amendment is what is necessary.

Sounds like you value fiscal conservatism

Great to hear you will be voting for a republican in the next election cycle

[XJEEPER]

Sounds like you value fiscal conservatism

Great to hear you will be voting for a republican in the next election cycle

Trolls don't vote conservative.

[420BlackXJ]

Trolls don't vote conservative.

I wouldn't know about that.
But one issue voters do vote conservative.

Vote on abortion or
Vote on taxes or
Vote on religion or
Vote on guns or
Vote on race or............
I am sure I forgot some.
XJEEPER, you take it from here...........

[Beezil]

I wouldn't know about that.
But one issue voters do vote conservative.

Vote on abortion or
Vote on taxes or
Vote on religion or
Vote on guns or
Vote on race or............
I am sure I forgot some.
XJEEPER, you take it from here...........

you got to be kidding me.

in your world, it's the republican party that are the big spenders running up the deficit?

in your world, it's the conservatives voting single issue?

stoner logic.

[CherBear]

I wouldn't know about that.
But one issue voters do vote conservative.

Vote on abortion or
Vote on taxes or
Vote on religion or
Vote on guns or
Vote on race or............
I am sure I forgot some.
XJEEPER, you take it from here...........

This comment makes no sense. Doesn't every politician vote ON everything? How does one "vote on" taxes? Dont you mean they vote for or against a particular subject? Example; increase taxes or decrease taxes. :confused:

Quit drinking the bong water.

[XJEEPER]

I wouldn't know about that.
But one issue voters do vote conservative.

Vote on abortion or
Vote on taxes or
Vote on religion or
Vote on guns or
Vote on race or............
I am sure I forgot some.
XJEEPER, you take it from here...........

I vote that you learn to acticulate the English language so folks can understand your posts.......

[420BlackXJ]

To clear up any confusion, single issue voters vote with only one concern: their issue. Say for example abortion.
If a candidate supports legal safe abortion, some conservatives won't vote for that candidate, regardless of their position on any other issue.
Their issue is so important to them, they will support a candidate for their issue even if that candidate starts illegal wars, runs up the deficit by cutting taxes in time of war, and enriches their friends with no-bid overseas contracting. Got it?:sure:

[Beezil]

To clear up any confusion, single issue voters vote with only one concern: their issue. Say for example abortion.
If a candidate supports legal safe abortion, some conservatives won't vote for that candidate, regardless of their position on any other issue.

yeah....democrats would NEVER choose the abortion issue as their sole basis for casting a vote one way or the other.

dude, there are lots of opportunities to draw distinctions between political parties. The fact that you've chosen this attribute only serves to demonstrate your tendancy toward logical fallacy, and the fact that you are philosophically flawed.

[420BlackXJ]

Your philosophy is flawed to me, so who cares? Is there an unflawed philosophy?
Oh yeah, the borrow and spend philosophy that all you seem to think is a good idea. How could I have overlooked that perfect philosophy.:roflmao:

To further my single issue voting talk:
A friend at work is strongly pro-life. He voted for GWB in 2000 exclusively on this single issue. He later regretted his vote after observing his candidate start an illegal war in Iraq. Of course it was only known in the top circle of the White House that Iraq was going to be the focus of the war on terror. But had he had more insight, or vetted out the issues better, he might have voted differently in 2000, as may alot of Floridians.

[CherBear]

Your philosophy is flawed to me, so who cares? Is there an unflawed philosophy?
Oh yeah, the borrow and spend philosophy that all you seem to think is a good idea. How could I have overlooked that perfect philosophy.:roflmao:

To further my single issue voting talk:
A friend at work is strongly pro-life. He voted for GWB in 2000 exclusively on this single issue. He later regretted his vote after observing his candidate start an illegal war in Iraq. Of course it was only known in the top circle of the White House that Iraq was going to be the focus of the war on terror. But had he had more insight, or vetted out the issues better, he might have voted differently in 2000, as may alot of Floridians.

Solution:
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1064422

:cool:

[XJEEPER]

Your philosophy is flawed to me, so who cares? Is there an unflawed philosophy?
Oh yeah, the borrow and spend philosophy that all you seem to think is a good idea. How could I have overlooked that perfect philosophy.:roflmao:

To further my single issue voting talk:
A friend at work is strongly pro-life. He voted for GWB in 2000 exclusively on this single issue. He later regretted his vote after observing his candidate start an illegal war in Iraq. Of course it was only known in the top circle of the White House that Iraq was going to be the focus of the war on terror. But had he had more insight, or vetted out the issues better, he might have voted differently in 2000, as may alot of Floridians.

Your ignorance is reaching new levels.....who here, specifically, supports a "borrow and spend" philosophy? You make general statements like this, which appear to be no more that ideological talking points meant to create party division.

Seems hypocritcal of you to select that specific topic, yet defend a Democratic majority Congress and Obama's actions of borrowing more and spending more, yet somehow trying to make the last 4.5yrs of spending and borrowing all Bush's fault? (Recap, Congress approves spending and borrowing, as well as the President)

My position is that borrowing and spending has been out of control for decades, Reps and Dems alike are both to blame. 2012 elections should be about putting stop to this pattern and electing those who understand the Will of the People and will make the hard decisions that must be made to turn around the economy and follow the Constitution.

I would agree that your work buddy is misguided, I would never support a candidate based on a single issue.

[420BlackXJ]

Your ignorance is reaching new levels.....who here, specifically, supports a "borrow and spend" philosophy? You make general statements like this, which appear to be no more that ideological talking points meant to create party division.

Seems hypocritcal of you to select that specific topic, yet defend a Democratic majority Congress and Obama's actions of borrowing more and spending more, yet somehow trying to make the last 4.5yrs of spending and borrowing all Bush's fault? (Recap, Congress approves spending and borrowing, as well as the President)

My position is that borrowing and spending has been out of control for decades, Reps and Dems alike are both to blame. 2012 elections should be about putting stop to this pattern and electing those who understand the Will of the People and will make the hard decisions that must be made to turn around the economy and follow the Constitution.

I would agree that your work buddy is misguided, I would never support a candidate based on a single issue.

1. Every republican voter. Seems to me that includes most of you disputing my posts.

2. The Iraq was is more responsible for the huge deficit than anything else. Along with the Bush tax cuts. Is that Obama's fault? He is taking the blame for the disastrous fiscal policy of the previous admin. Can you dispute that?

[Beezil]

The republican party is far from perfect....

but the fact that you think they're the party of "borrow and spend" and the democrats are not, is lunacy.

get your facts straight.

[420BlackXJ]

The republican party is far from perfect....

but the fact that you think they're the party of "borrow and spend" and the democrats are not, is lunacy.

get your facts straight.

The democrats are tax and spend. Or did you forget.
Deficits are acquired thru republican policies.

[Beezil]

The Iraq was is more responsible for the huge deficit than anything else.




quoted for the idiocy contained.


Along with the Bush tax cuts.

tax cuts don't create deficits cheif, spending does. of course, you won't understand this.....spend more than your revenue receipts and that's what you get.

and the other thing you community organizers didn't learn that the rest of us did in econ 101, is that tax cuts for the consumer, INCREASE revenue.

[XJEEPER]

Dude, don't feed the troll........he's not interested in an open discussion based on factual data.

Reminds me of a book I read last year......

http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/97/80/74/35/96/9780743596879_300X300.jpg

[420BlackXJ]

Dude, don't feed the troll........he's not interested in an open discussion based on factual data.

Reminds me of a book I read last year......

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XJEEPER, I was almost starting to respect you........ NOT

[420BlackXJ]

quoted for the idiocy contained.




tax cuts don't create deficits cheif, spending does. of course, you won't understand this.....spend more than your revenue receipts and that's what you get.

and the other thing you community organizers didn't learn that the rest of us did in econ 101, is that tax cuts for the consumer, INCREASE revenue.

Beezil, you can deny the truth till it hurts, that won't change it.

[Beezil]

New thread title:

I smell LIBTARDS

[CherBear]

Dude, don't feed the troll........he's not interested in an open discussion based on factual data.

Reminds me of a book I read last year......

http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/97/80/74/35/96/9780743596879_300X300.jpg

Meh. His policies are good, but hes a bit of a melodramatic cry baby in my book.
I guess that is what gets you noticed theses days...

[420BlackXJ]

New thread title:

I smell LIBTARDS

Yeah, that will score you big points around here.

[Beezil]

Meh. His policies are good, but hes a bit of a melodramatic cry baby in my book.
I guess that is what gets you noticed theses days...

okay....

then give my guy a try....

got satelite?

Andrew Wilkow.

Patriot channel.

awesome.

[CherBear]

New thread title:

I smell LIBTARDS

+ 10 points.

Yeah, that will score you big points around here.

:moon:

okay....

then give my guy a try....

got satelite?

Andrew Wilkow.

Patriot channel.

awesome.

I do not, how ever I will listen to some of his shows on youtube when I get a chance.
Let me ask you these question about him first:
1. Is he ever seen crying or looking overly sad?
2. Does he regularly refer to the Obama Administration as the Third Reich?
3. Does he claim claim random events support his ideology or diminish others?

His own words “I could give a flying crap about the political process.... We're an entertainment company.” Forbes Magazine interview

[XJEEPER]

XJEEPER, I was almost starting to respect you........ NOT

I also read the Huffington Post occasionally......what's your sterotype for that? You seem to have one for everything else. There's a reason why most folks on the forum think you are 22 years old.......instead of your actual age of 54.

I don't need your respect, I prefer that you to educate yourself.

http://www.breitbart.com/

http://www.drudgereport.com/

http://trevorloudon.com/

http://www.wilkowmajority.com/

Thinking for yourself, armed with the truth.....is very enlightening.

Ignore 420BlackXJ: ON......I've wasted enough time trying to help you.

[Tom R.]

...after observing his candidate start an illegal war in Iraq. Of course it was only known in the top circle of the White House that Iraq was going to be the focus of the war on terror.
Revisionist? Get some history lessons for you and your friend.

That war was NEVER "illegal." Liberals attempt to keep the myth alive by saying "see, there were never any WMD." The very fact that Saddam kept firing at our jets in the no-fly zone was justification to attack. It's in the NATO resolution. Actually, Saddam broke at least two NATA resolutions that justified the war. Or was that conveniently lost on you?

Iraq was never the primary focus of the war of terror. Afghanistan was. I'd venture a guess that you never served.

[Whiplash_Syndicate]

The democrats are tax and spend. Or did you forget.
Deficits are acquired thru republican policies.


Um Yeah that's the unintelligent new democrat way of thinking here is a smart democrat that the party will never listen too.

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[420BlackXJ]

I also read the Huffington Post occasionally......what's your sterotype for that? You seem to have one for everything else. There's a reason why most folks on the forum think you are 22 years old.......instead of your actual age of 54.

I don't need your respect, I prefer that you to educate yourself.

http://www.breitbart.com/

http://www.drudgereport.com/

http://trevorloudon.com/

http://www.wilkowmajority.com/

Thinking for yourself, armed with the truth.....is very enlightening.

Ignore 420BlackXJ: ON......I've wasted enough time trying to help you.

Oh, that's what you call it, help:rof:
Ahh, thanks for your "help". :moon:

[420BlackXJ]

Revisionist? Get some history lessons for you and your friend.

That war was NEVER "illegal." Liberals attempt to keep the myth alive by saying "see, there were never any WMD." The very fact that Saddam kept firing at our jets in the no-fly zone was justification to attack. It's in the NATO resolution. Actually, Saddam broke at least two NATA resolutions that justified the war. Or was that conveniently lost on you?

Iraq was never the primary focus of the war of terror. Afghanistan was. I'd venture a guess that you never served.

Denial works for you ha.:anon:

[Beezil]

+ 10 points.



I do not, how ever I will listen to some of his shows on youtube when I get a chance.
Let me ask you these question about him first:
1. Is he ever seen crying or looking overly sad?
2. Does he regularly refer to the Obama Administration as the Third Reich?
3. Does he claim claim random events support his ideology or diminish others?



the answers to the following test questions are:

1. no, well, at least hard to see through the radio dial. He may occasionally don a sad face, in mockery of whiney callers, you'll have to call in and ask him yourself.

2. No.

3. part a. ....Andrew Wilkow is sort of a polymath IMHO when it comes to finance, economy, business principles, understanding capitalism, as well as his ideological opponents various "bibles" such as saul alinskys "rules for radicals" and Marx's "communist manifesto". He is especially conversant with the US constitution. He is objective in his approach.

part b. the only time I've ever heard him diminish others is when they get personal, or cannot support their arugment with objective, or accurate information. In other words, to those who have it coming.

[CherBear]

the answers to the following test questions are:

1. no, well, at least hard to see through the radio dial. He may occasionally don a sad face, in mockery of whiney callers, you'll have to call in and ask him yourself.

2. No.

3. part a. ....Andrew Wilkow is sort of a polymath IMHO when it comes to finance, economy, business principles, understanding capitalism, as well as his ideological opponents various "bibles" such as saul alinskys "rules for radicals" and Marx's "communist manifesto". He is especially conversant with the US constitution. He is objective in his approach.

part b. the only time I've ever heard him diminish others is when they get personal, or cannot support their arugment with objective, or accurate information. In other words, to those who have it coming.

Sounds like my kind of guy!

Number three was sort of a jab at Beck (I guess they all were).
After the had his rally in DC a while ago, on his radio show he claimed as he was giving his speech, several geese flew over the crowd. He took this as a "fly over" of sorts, proclaiming God was showing his support for his cause. :thumbdn:

[Crawler]

...After the had his rally in DC a while ago, on his radio show he claimed as he was giving his speech, several geese flew over the crowd. He took this as a "fly over" of sorts, proclaiming God was showing his support for his cause. :thumbdn:


Moments after music signaled the start of Glenn's "Restoring Honor" rally...

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[CherBear]

Moments after music signaled the start of Glenn's "Restoring Honor" rally...

VmrvaZYemHg

I am not sure if you are disagreeing with me or just being sarcastic...
That does look cool, I will admit. But I am not going to say that because a group of waterfowl fly are flying directly to the nearest body of water, that God obviously supports this man's politcal views.

But hey, If you want to be believe that, go right ahead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_sharpshooter_fallacy

[Crawler]

Why must I agree or disagree? Why can't I just present some context??

Looks like a lot of people in that huge crowd were "impressed" by that little coincidence... just sayin'... :angel:

[CherBear]

]Why must I agree or disagree? Why can't I just present some context??[/B]

Looks like a lot of people in that huge crowd were "impressed" by that little coincidence... just sayin'... :angel:

Fair enough, although I would not respect you anymore or less if you did. :patriot:

[XJEEPER]

Fair enough, although I would not respect you anymore or less if you did. :patriot:

Note: you don't have to agree with Beck's delivery or his religious beliefs to benefit from the information that he uncovers and brings to light. He documents and footnotes reference sources, so you can do your own research and form your own decisions, based on the info provided. Anything less would be irresponsible.

Arguing with Idoits is spot on to address 420's method of presentation, the book was written for him.

[Beezil]

Arguing with Idoits is spot on to address 420's method of presentation, the book was written for him.

correction....

the book was written about him.

[420BlackXJ]

Wow, I sure am popular around here.
You know what they say about popularity: It's like publicity; all is good.:roll:

[CherBear]

Note: you don't have to agree with Beck's delivery or his religious beliefs to benefit from the information that he uncovers and brings to light. He documents and footnotes reference sources, so you can do your own research and form your own decisions, based on the info provided. Anything less would be irresponsible.

Arguing with Idoits is spot on to address 420's method of presentation, the book was written for him.

I agree 100%, I don't hate beck (well maybe a little :wierd:) but I do hate listening to him.
I have listened to his radio show many times. Most of his information is of good quality, however I feel he draws pretty wild conclusions. A lot of inductive reasoning.

[Darky]

I am not sure if you are disagreeing with me or just being sarcastic...
That does look cool, I will admit. But I am not going to say that because a group of waterfowl fly are flying directly to the nearest body of water, that God obviously supports this man's politcal views.

But hey, If you want to be believe that, go right ahead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_sharpshooter_fallacy
More impressive would've been a dove. That's generally God's bird in the Bible. At Jesus' baptism, a dove showed up. Noah's ark, a dove brought back the olive branch, etc.

[Crawler]

I agree 100%, I don't hate beck (well maybe a little :wierd:) but I do hate listening to him.
I have listened to his radio show many times. Most of his information is of good quality, however I feel he draws pretty wild conclusions. A lot of inductive reasoning.


Big, big difference between his radio and television programs... tv's more focussed, faster pace, visual aids, etc.

[XJEEPER]

Big, big difference between his radio and television programs... tv's more focussed, faster pace, visual aids, etc.

His redoux of Thomas Payne's Common Sense was a great read too, easy to understand the vision of the Founding Fathers.

He's got another one rolling out this week, covering the Federalist Papers, in modern terminology.

B, I would say both....Arguing with Idoits is both about folks like 420, but if they were to read the information contained within, it could open their eyes to truth......or not.

[Whiplash_Syndicate]

I would say both....Arguing with Idoits is both about folks like 420, but if they were to read the information contained within, it could open their eyes to truth......or not.

No his head would probably explode. Thats to much unfiltered information that his union indoctrinated public school teacher didnt cover.