5 speed with sye drive shaft length

So people say if you have an auto, with a front drive shaft from an auto, and hack and tap it works.

Then other people say if you have a 5 speed with the front drive shaft from an auto, and hack and tap it doesn't.

I have a PORC sye and auto front drive shaft. Does anyone know if this is going to work?

I understand that auto XJ's have a longer trans making the front drive shaft longer, thus being better to be used with a hack and tap. But with a sye which looks to be shorter than the hack and tap, will it still work out? Anyone done it yet? Because this weekend i plain to be putting the sye, drive shaft, and axle shims in. And i don't wanna be down my only car so wanted to check with other people that have already done this set up.

I have a 98 with AX15 and np231. RE Super Ride 3.5 w/leaf.

Thanks guys

Get the front driveshaft from a v8 ZJ. I ran one and so did many of my local friends in my 98 4.0/ax-15/SYE'd 231

What year? Because I thought grand Cherokees had a cv joint at the axle rather than a u joint. Am I wrong?

Also how much lift are they running, cause I have just about 4" in the rear.

Supermaxx01 said:

What year? Because I thought grand Cherokees had a cv joint at the axle rather than a u joint. Am I wrong?

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All v8 ZJ's have a u-joint on one end with a double cardan joint on the other. ZJ's were made from '93-'98. IIRC, the style driveshaft you're referring to came in ZJ's that had a 4.0 and np242.

This driveshaft will work for 3.5-5" lift.

Alright so i'll be headed to the junk yard for a zj with a v8 front driveshaft. That just goes right in? Same size u joints? Thanks again for the help!

The shaft you're looking for already has u joints. It will have a double cardan joint at the transfer case end and a u joint and the axle end. It will look like a long, skinny version of a stock xj front shaft.

This is a double cardan joint:


This is a CV Joint


I think there was a mix up in terminology.

this is where i get confused as to HOW the front shaft bolts to a SYE. if you have a yoke output, do you remove the double cardan join and install the shaft with only 2 u joints?

The double cardan joint is only the double u-joint setup. Forget about the flange that's on the right. That would be instead of having a yoke.

Edit:
The top is a stock driveshaft. The others would all bolt to a SYE'd 231

Not all of them will, my 98 5.9 zj has a shaft like the one on the right, I dont know which years had what but I suspect it has to do with the t-case options etc.

Hmm this is strange, I've gone looking in several junkyards for this and every single ZJ I've seen that had a v8 had a ujoint driveshaft... Which tcase does yours have? 249?

lol i know what the difference between a double cardan setup and a cv joint is. i had tom woods build me a custom drive saft with there double cardan setup for my other xj. i just wanted to do it a little cheaper this time and use a front drive shaft with (double cardan setup) out of the junk yard.

but the width and diameter of the u joint caps off the zj are the same as the xj? so it will mount right up to my rear end and PORC sye yoke?

Yep, it's still a 1310 joint.

asp said:

Hmm this is strange, I've gone looking in several junkyards for this and every single ZJ I've seen that had a v8 had a ujoint driveshaft... Which tcase does yours have? 249?

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Yeah the 5.9 only came with a 249..here is another pic from another thread
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=958552



and some useful/useless info

1997-98 GRAND CHEROKEE--------- *Location* *Spicer#* *Part#* *Length*
1310 Series, 4.0L Engine Auto trans. TC to FA 919376-1806* 52098707 31.750
242 TC Dana model 30 Front

1996-98 GRAND CHEROKEE
1310 Series, 5.2L, 5.9L Engine Auto. TC to FA 919376-1601* 56022666AA 29.600
trans., 249 TC Dana model 30 Front Axle

1996 1/2-97 GRAND CHEROKEE
1310 Series, 4.0L Engine Auto trans., TC to FA 919649-1412 52099260 31.530
249 TC Dana model 30 Front Axle
1310 Series, 2.5 L Engine, Manual TC to FA 919373-1510 52098706 29.020
5-Spd.,231 T/C Model 30 Dana Front
Axle Driveshaft w/2.000" tubing
1310 Series, 5.2 L Engine, Automatic, TC to FA 919649-1204 52098379
249 T/C Model 30 Dana Front Axle
Driveshaft Dbl. Crd and CV Joint

1995 1/2-96 GRAND CHEROKEE
1310 Series, 4.0 L Engine, I-6 Auto., TC to FA 919649-1412 52099260
249 T/C Model 30 Dana Front Axle
Driveshaft Dbl. Crd and CV Joint

1996 GRAND CHEROKEE
1310 Series, 4.0 L Engine, Man. 5-Spd., TC to FA 919376-1806 52098707 31.770
242 T/C Model 30 Dana Front Axle
Driveshaft w/1.750" tubing
1310 Series, 4.0 L Engine, Man. 5-Spd., TC to FA 919373-1410 52098789 28.020
231 T/C Model 30 Dana Front Axle
Driveshaft w/2.000" tubing
1310 Series, 2.5 L Engine, Man. 5-Spd., TC to FA 919373-1410 52098789 28.020
231 T/C Model 30 Dana Front Axle
Driveshaft w/2.000" tubing
1310 Series, 5.2 L Engine, Auto., TC to FA 919649-1104 52099246
249 T/C Model 30 Dana Front Axle
Driveshaft Dbl. Crd and CV Joint

1995 1/2-96 GRAND CHEROKEE
1310 Series, 4.0 L Engine, I-6 Auto., TC to FA 919649-1312 52098850
249 T/C Model 30 Dana Front Axle
Driveshaft Dbl. Crd and CV Joint

1995 1/2 GRAND CHEROKEE
1310 Series, 5.2 L Engine, Auto., TC to FA 919649-1520 52098501
249 T/C Model 30 Dana Front Axle
Driveshaft Dbl. Crd and CV Joint

1993-95 1/2 GRAND CHEROKEE
1310 Series, 5.2L Engine, V-8 Auto., TC to FA 918291-2111 53008427 32.870
231, 249 T/C, Model 30 Dana Front Axle

1993-95 1/2 GRAND CHEROKEE
1310 Series, 4.0L Eng., V-8 Auto., 231, TC to FA 918291-1900 52087805 30.530
242, 249 T/C, Model 30 Dana Front Axle

1992 1/2-95 GRAND CHEROKEE
1310 Series, 4.0 L Eng, Man. 5-Spd., TC to FA 915374-1614 52088090 28.020
231 T/C, Model 30 Dana Front Axle


1992 1/2-93 GRAND CHEROKEE AND GRAND WAGONEER
1310 Series, 4.0L Engine Aisen TC to FA 915374-1724 52098341 30.530
Warner, 231, 242, 249 T.C.,
Model 30 Dana Front Axle

I have an 2000 automatic and to use a front drive shaft for the rear does it have to come from an automatic as well?... looking to get a spare....

I have an SYE.

asp said:

All v8 ZJ's have a u-joint on one end with a double cardan joint on the other. ZJ's were made from '93-'98. IIRC, the style driveshaft you're referring to came in ZJ's that had a 4.0 and np242.

This driveshaft will work for 3.5-5" lift.

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Too long if you have less lift? I'm running 2" on mine and have an opportunity to pick up a case with an sye, looking for a low cost driveshaft option

I've got a front ZJ drive on the rear of my AX-15 5spd with SYE and chrysler 8.25 rear axle. Here is a little helpful info I found elsewhere:

BOLD ONES ARE LONGEST

ZJ 1993 4.0 Automatic 30.530 52098341
ZJ 93/95 5.2 Automatic 32.870 w/o CV 53008427
ZJ 94/95 5.2 A500 30.625 w/o CV 52087805
ZJ 94/95 4.0 A500 w/o CV 52098790
ZJ 93/96 4.0 Manual 52098344
ZJ 93/96 4.0, 5.2 31.875 w/ 231, 242 52087805
ZJ 93/95 4.0 Manual 30.000 w/231 52088090
ZJ 93/96 5.2 33.000 w/ 231 53008427
ZJ 96/98 5.2, 5.9 31.250 w/ 249 & Model 30 52098379
ZJ 1996 5.2 Automatic 32.875 w/ 249 & Model 30 52098501
ZJ 96/98 4.0 33.000 w/ 242 52098707
ZJ 96/97 4.0 Automatic 31.250 52098850
ZJ 1996 5.2 Automatic 30.750 w/ 249 & Model 30 52099246
ZJ 96/98 4.0 33.500 w/ 249 52099260

I have a few zj front drive shafts and I went with the longest one available with the double cardan.

How much lift do you have?