Are these how your Deaver Springs look when they arrived?

[loki_racer]

I received my Deaver Springs 5.5" XJ springs yesterday. The box smelled like a can of paint and I was fairly surprised when I opened the box. I talked with Scott from Deaver Springs and he insists that all their springs arrive with cardboard attached because they are put in their shipping boxes shortly after being painted.

The paint is still fairly sticky and the bare metal of the spring can be seen in a couple spots.

I know the paint job doesn't affect their racing capabilities, however, their paint job does affect my ability to pull them or resell them before even racing them, if this isn't how all Deaver Springs arrive.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_Gzxm7tdUec8/TJenjO2M78I/AAAAAAAAIaM/E44LUfgrfog/s720/IMG_1636.JPG (http://picasaweb.google.com/charlotte.developer/Springs#5519064092088528834)
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_Gzxm7tdUec8/TJenkClbKII/AAAAAAAAIaU/imDWR_IscMA/s720/IMG_1637.JPG (http://picasaweb.google.com/charlotte.developer/Springs#5519064105976801410)
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_Gzxm7tdUec8/TJenkrSCzQI/AAAAAAAAIac/1geSaaAaY84/s720/IMG_1638.JPG (http://picasaweb.google.com/charlotte.developer/Springs#5519064116901367042)
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Gzxm7tdUec8/TJenmDzeRFI/AAAAAAAAIak/ibOPOYQEEOA/s720/IMG_1639.JPG (http://picasaweb.google.com/charlotte.developer/Springs#5519064140663899218)
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Gzxm7tdUec8/TJenmoGb90I/AAAAAAAAIas/cr7igFxvlA8/s720/IMG_1640.JPG (http://picasaweb.google.com/charlotte.developer/Springs#5519064150407116610)

[crazyjim]

I wouldn't worry too much about it. Keep in mind, they're not painters, they're spring guys. They also don't powdercoat like some of the other companies do because it'll change the spring rate. Take some sand paper to them, and re-rattle can them.

[loki_racer]

I was told by them that they don't powdercoat because it changes the costs. If that is the case, I think I would rather them not paint them at all and just let me paint them.

I'm not worried about their ability to perform. I'm worried that if I decide not to run them, if this isn't how all their springs ship, I will have to invest time and money in to fixing them to look how they should have looked in the first place.

I'm fairly sure I'm the first person in our league running these springs, so I have no idea if they will perform correctly for me (we are on the east coast, no sand racing here).

[Nissley_Racing]

Deaver springs are the best racing springs period. So the paint looked bad and some paper was stuck to them....... sand paper and paint is your answer. Just think if this bothers you how bad would you feel if you had some powder coated ones and they got scratched.... Painted springs are better for racing because when its time to look good at tech all i need is a $5 can of flat black.

[FordGuy]

They just buy them in bulk. We always send them out for powdercoat because they will look like crap in a month. Deaver can be a little cheesy with paint

Hey Jim your buddy Joel says hi!

[FordGuy]

[QUOTE=crazyjim;245067555] They also don't powdercoat like some of the other companies do because it'll change the spring rate.

Don't believe it. Its because of expense. :laugh3:

[crazyjim]

Hey Jim your buddy Joel says hi!



You with him now? Making the switch from Kings to Bilstein? :laugh3:

[FordGuy]

You with him now? Making the switch from Kings to Bilstein? :laugh3:

Our ProTruck has 10 frkin Bilstein's on it. We were testing with Joel all day last Wed in 111 deg heat. You are not the only one with those cute little black oil cookers!!!

[crazyjim]

Hahahaha, alright then! Good to hear ;) I thought your protruck ran Kings.

[grandrunner]

mine looked like that too...who cares?:dunno: there gunna get hit by dirt,mud rocks that will chip away the paint anyways.

regaurdless of the look people will still buy used deavers. like everyone else says. just paint em.

[Cache96]

how much do those run?

Ryan how much lift did you get with your deavers with the 5.2? Since they are made for a XJ with a 4.0.

[RandomThoughtsRace]

... little black oil cookers!!!

LMFAO oil cookers.

Jim, how are the 11 inches of fury coming along?

[crazyjim]

LMFAO oil cookers.

Jim, how are the 11 inches of fury coming along?
Going to mock them up this weekend!

[RandomThoughtsRace]

I received my Deaver Springs 5.5" XJ springs yesterday. The box smelled like a can of paint and I was fairly surprised when I opened the box. I talked with Scott from Deaver Springs and he insists that all their springs arrive with cardboard attached because they are put in their shipping boxes shortly after being painted.

The paint is still fairly sticky and the bare metal of the spring can be seen in a couple spots.

I know the paint job doesn't affect their racing capabilities, however, their paint job does affect my ability to pull them or resell them before even racing them, if this isn't how all Deaver Springs arrive.








Ouch, reminds me of the time I had a complete trucks worth of shocks in a box sitting in will call... then someone decided to ship it without adding and packing material to the box. Needless to say the contents looked pretty bad and the customer was understandably upset. Call up the manufacturer and give them a chance to make it right without costing everyone a bunch of money on shipping brand new product back and forth. Perhaps free shipping on your next leaf pack order? Give em a call.

[xcm]

they look fresh to me! painting coils is like sweeping a woodshop, do it enough to keep the rust at bay, but if you're using 10" of travel on an xj, those coils wont stay looking nice anyway
if you want nice purdy paint, OME, or rancho both have nice vivid colors!
deaver aint for the mall crawler crowd.. they should put a disclaimer on their website.

[WESJxj]

I just bought deaver 5.5 inch springs and mine had cardboard stuck to them also, i dont care that i have cardboard stuck to the coils .....I care more about that they are deaver springs!!!!!!

[grandrunner]

how much do those run?

Ryan how much lift did you get with your deavers with the 5.2? Since they are made for a XJ with a 4.0.


i dont know and dont care lol i like the lift i have. i have a 1inch spacer to make up for the v8 i guess. but im running a 11inch fox 2.0 with about 7inches of shaft showing. works great. and when you put an xj coil on the zj its 1 inch less. so a 5.5deaver would be about 4-4.5 on our zjs.

[Ronbo]

They just buy them in bulk.

Deaver doesn't make their own coils ?

[kastein]

mine looked like that too...who cares?:dunno: there gunna get hit by dirt,mud rocks that will chip away the paint anyways.

regaurdless of the look people will still buy used deavers. like everyone else says. just paint em.

they look fresh to me! painting coils is like sweeping a woodshop, do it enough to keep the rust at bay, but if you're using 10" of travel on an xj, those coils wont stay looking nice anyway
if you want nice purdy paint, OME, or rancho both have nice vivid colors!
deaver aint for the mall crawler crowd.. they should put a disclaimer on their website.

Xwhatever... run em, as long as they aren't rusting the paint is doing its job. Once they have a good amount of dirt and dust on them, you won't see it anyways.

[FordGuy]

Deaver doesn't make their own coils ?

No, and No to making there own leaf springs also.

[J Money]

No, and No to making there own leaf springs also.

100% correct. Awesome springs, but they don't make them.

[FordGuy]

They do modify and rebuild incl re-arch in house. Along with carrying every bushing. They also will bend you up u-bolts while you wait and have a drill press that is still used and is over 100 years old!!!

[loki_racer]

If this is common with their springs, then I have nothing to worry about. I'll be the first one in our league, that I know of, running them, so hopefully they perform like everyone has said they will.

I'd almost like to see them simply not paint them if this is a common issue. It will be more work to fix them from this condition, than it would be to paint the bare steel when it arrived.

[DieselSJ]

If this is common with their springs, then I have nothing to worry about. I'll be the first one in our league, that I know of, running them, so hopefully they perform like everyone has said they will.

I'd almost like to see them simply not paint them if this is a common issue. It will be more work to fix them from this condition, than it would be to paint the bare steel when it arrived.

I think if they left them bare steel then you would get on here and complain that they arrived rusty. Sack up dude - we are talking parts for something that will get raced off-road.

[loki_racer]

It's fairly easy to hit them with some oil before shipping them. JCR does it with all their stuff. Just because the majority of their clients are racers doesn't mean they should provide a product in worse condition than every other spring manufacture.

Sack up dude and expect a little better quality from a well known company.

[loki_racer]

I finally got around to getting a writeup together for the Deaver coils. Check it out here (http://www.mutinyracing.com/write-ups/deaver-jeepspeed-coils).

I'm still waiting on the Barnett Products air bump mounting kit I ordered from TandJPerformance.com a month ago. Once that arrives, I think the XJ is ready for ECORS DPG.

[loki_racer]

Sorry about the duplicate post.

[XJLI]

i dont understand why you're so concerned with the way the springs look.

if you're building a show truck, get skyjacker, rancho, or fabtech stuff. they all come powdercoated pretty colors.

[loki_racer]

I'm not concerned with the looks. I'm concerned that a company that sells springs, that are generally used by racers, come in a less than impressive condition. How hard is it to actually let the pain dry?

[ktm racer 419]

You really made a write up for the sole purpose of complaining about the paint?

I opened that link expecting to read about how they performed for you.

[loki_racer]

I guess the quotes below add no value to the writeup?

I borrowed some coil compressors from Advanced Auto, but they were the type that go inside the spring, which won’t work with these springs.

I haven’t had a chance to really run the XJ hard since the last race. I can tell you that these springs, in combination with the new control arms, make the XJ feel like a different animal on the road.

I haven't complained about Deaver. I posted information about quality control issues that I think are important for people when considering purchasing springs. Nothing I said was untrue and I gave Deaver ample opportunity to respond to the situation.

[FordGuy]

Most people who Race do want all of the components looking good and painted or prepped correctly. Have you ever seen a 4.0 King or Bilstein with a shitty rusted coil, no. IMO he is right.

[XJLI]

everything in the northeast rusts in about 1.5 weeks, so for me paint never mattered.

[Cache96]

I agree with him, how ford guy says how would you feel if your brand new coilovers came with painted springs covered in card board???? I understand its not totally the same but i mean for 275$ they can powdercoat them.. Iron rock offroad's springs are 119 and they come powdercoated.. just saying... :D

[xcm]

it's a free market, QUIT BUYING FROM THEM.

what does the iron rock analogy say? even at 1/3rd the price, people who know, still prefer cardboard covered deavers.

RATES, its about the spring rates! if you care more about the paint, go buy rancho. if you care about spring rates, you buy deavers.

[tone]

Powdercoating them changes the spring rate like Jim said 10k post ago... :)

[Darky]

I borrowed some coil compressors from Advanced Auto, but they were the type that go inside the spring, which won’t work with these springs.
That's not a spring problem, it's an XJ issue. There's no where for the rod to pass through at the bottom of the coil like there would be on an IFS rig. All XJ coils require an external compressor.

[loki_racer]

it's a free market, QUIT BUYING FROM THEM.

what does the iron rock analogy say? even at 1/3rd the price, people who know, still prefer cardboard covered deavers.

RATES, its about the spring rates! if you care more about the paint, go buy rancho. if you care about spring rates, you buy deavers.

Trust me, in the future, I will likely not buy from them again. Their lack of quality control makes me wish I had never considered them. That would be the whole point of my post here and on my website. Nobody, not even Deaver, has mentioned anywhere that you can expect their springs to come looking like a junkyard special. I think it's valid to post here so others considering their products are aware of the condition they ship in.

Since nobody in my racing league has used Deaver springs, I took a risk buying them and running them. Add that risk to the fact that they look like junkyard specials, will make it very hard to resell them if they don't actually perform as expected.

Deaver should be aware that every single one of their competitors is capable of properly painting or powdercoating their springs.

[Cache96]

The Iron rock analogy was because deaver said that powdercoating would make the springs cost more. im not saying i would not buy the springs because im pretty sure they work great but their are people out there that buy certain stuff just for looks not function and maybe Deavers arent for them.
But if i was Deaver i would ATLEAST let the paint dry before sending them out.

[Cache96]

Trust me, in the future, I will likely not buy from them again. Their lack of quality control makes me wish I had never considered them. That would be the whole point of my post here and on my website. Nobody, not even Deaver, has mentioned anywhere that you can expect their springs to come looking like a junkyard special. I think it's valid to post here so others considering their products are aware of the condition they ship in.

Since nobody in my racing league has used Deaver springs, I took a risk buying them and running them. Add that risk to the fact that they look like junkyard specials, will make it very hard to resell them if they don't actually perform as expected.

Deaver should be aware that every single one of their competitors is capable of properly painting or powdercoating their springs.


If they dont work out for you, i will take them off your hands!!! seriously :D

[kastein]

Trust me, in the future, I will likely not buy from them again. Their lack of quality control makes me wish I had never considered them. That would be the whole point of my post here and on my website. Nobody, not even Deaver, has mentioned anywhere that you can expect their springs to come looking like a junkyard special. I think it's valid to post here so others considering their products are aware of the condition they ship in.

Since nobody in my racing league has used Deaver springs, I took a risk buying them and running them. Add that risk to the fact that they look like junkyard specials, will make it very hard to resell them if they don't actually perform as expected.

Deaver should be aware that every single one of their competitors is capable of properly painting or powdercoating their springs.
blah blah blah it's PAINT, the damn spring is behind the friggen tire and the paint won't be visible under the dust/dirt by the time you finish a course, buy a 3 dollar rattle can to touch em up and keep the rust at bay and forget it.

Let's see how you like those beautifully powdercoated bling IRO springs when they sag after a couple races because the springs themselves aren't as high quality. BUT THEY'LL STILL BE ALL NICE AND PRETTY lastara

The deavers on the other hand will still be at the same height, same spring rate, and oh no, they have a couple bits of cardboard and some rattle can paint touchup on them that you can't even see without crawling under the rig and no one will notice while you're racing!!!! THE WORLD IS GONNA END Hasta

[ktm racer 419]

will make it very hard to resell them if they don't actually perform as expected.



i'll take em'

im pretty effin nasty with a can of krylon gloss black

[GrimmJeeper]

My powdercoated fabtech springs chipped in one place and it has started to peel the coating off because it's rusting under the coating now. Just paint the springs, no biggie. Yes they should take care of it, but you have them now so return them or fix it yourself.

[FordGuy]

Powdercoating them changes the spring rate like Jim said 10k post ago... :)

I don't think that's the case. Springs heat up to well over 200 deg on any Off-road Race vehicle. All the Bilstein, King, HyperTech, Eibach etc. are all powdercoated. Powder Coating Adds $14.00 to the price of the springs. Well worth it.

[loki_racer]

Mi'll take em'

im pretty effin nasty with a can of krylon gloss black

You're going to take them off my hands at no cost to me? That means paying the $60+ dollars to ship them and pay me retail price (I know I already mounted them, but let's say I hadn't)? If not, then I have already lost out because of Deaver's paint job.

I can't return them as Deaver thinks there is nothing wrong with them.

This is my exact point. Deaver doesn't advertise the fact that they can't paint their products correctly. No forums mentioned it either. So now I'm stuck with a set of springs that look like ass compared to every other spring.

Sure I can paint them, that's not the point.

[GrimmJeeper]

When did I say I was going to take them off your hands? I don't run front coils on my rig anymore I'm setting up for coilovers.

I know it's not the point, but you keep saying they look like ass, you're unhappy with them, you didn't like them as soon as you opened the box, etc etc... you should have returned them right there, instead of complaining about them. All I am saying is now that you have them, solve the problem and go on with your life.

[loki_racer]

Sorry, quoted the wrong person.

Returning them would cost me money, which I don't think is acceptable since the product arrived in less than finished condition in my opinion. Deaver is happy to pawn off their springs under the idea that nasty paint jobs are acceptable.

[FordGuy]

Here is what a lot of people don't really get about Deaver. They are a old school spring shop who got involved in custom springs really not that long ago. They don't make anything special, they don't even make there own springs. They order them from a spring manufacture here in the US where thousands of other company's do. They order in very small quantities. They treat your custom springs no different then if they they were putting springs on your tractor. They are the only game in town here in O.C and are really good guys, hell it took them 3 trys to get my springs right in my XJ, but they kept working at it until it was close with not one complaint and never asked me for a nickle more. When you work with a company like Deaver it is sort of like getting FAB work done.

[ktm racer 419]

You're going to take them off my hands at no cost to me? That means paying the $60+ dollars to ship them and pay me retail price (I know I already mounted them, but let's say I hadn't)? If not, then I have already lost out because of Deaver's paint job.


i can get brand new deavers for the same price

thanks tho

[Clean Racing]

Powdercoating them changes the spring rate like Jim said 10k post ago... :)

I am calling BS on this and the analogy of this.. IF so then why do all Eibach Racing springs come powdercoated.. The springs I run on the Rally Car come from Europe Powdercoated.. The springs we run over the coarse of a weekend see more temp than the oven of a powdercoater. This is another example of Internet hear say.. Just like Jim said many moons ago that drilled rotors were a bad Idea.. Get the facts right before spewing... unless you can prove this scientifically..

To the original Poster of this thread.. Yes it sucks that the springs came with some chips in the paint, but you know what so did my Rubicon Express springs that I have on my rig right now.. Personally I would get them powdercoated and install them..run them and be done..

alright rant over:rattle:

[crazyjim]

I don't think that's the case. Springs heat up to well over 200 deg on any Off-road Race vehicle. All the Bilstein, King, HyperTech, Eibach etc. are all powdercoated. Powder Coating Adds $14.00 to the price of the springs. Well worth it.
From talking with Eibach at the Kartek open house last year, it's not the heat that kills it, it's the sand blasting. It changes the characteristics of the metal when you hit the surface with a high pressure bead / glass / sand. They say you can powdercoat a set of springs once, because they engineered that into their design, any more than that and you're changing spring rates.

[loki_racer]

i can get brand new deavers for the same price

thanks tho

I said assuming I hadn't mounted them.

Let's say I hadn't mounted them, I posted them for sale here, with the pictures I already provided, and sold them for the same price you could get them from Deaver. Would you be interested in them then?

This paint job will turn away all but those willing to strip and repaint them and racers. Deaver could wait a day after painting them to ship them and this would be avoided.

[Clean Racing]

From talking with Eibach at the Kartek open house last year, it's not the heat that kills it, it's the sand blasting. It changes the characteristics of the metal when you hit the surface with a high pressure bead / glass / sand. They say you can powdercoat a set of springs once, because they engineered that into their design, any more than that and you're changing spring rates.

This is why a good powdercoater uses an acid solution to clean the metal before plating.. no substantial heat in that process.

[loki_racer]

For me it comes down to either do it right or don't do it. If that means not painting/powdercoating them, fine, ship them bare with a coat of oil. If that means charging extra for powdercoating, fine, charge me the difference. If that means delaying the shipping by a day to let them dry, I'm cool with that as well.

[vetteboy]

You know that awful moment when you see a shopping cart hurtling across a parking lot, right towards your shiny mint new car, and you get that first ding?

Sounds like Deaver saved you the trouble. How much would that suck to have beautiful springs, and 100 feet into your first test run, kick up a rock and take a nice dent outta the finish? I'd hate to have that on my mind. Deaver takes care of that right from the start, and instead of worrying about it, you can get to racing & having fun that much quicker.

[crazyjim]

I am calling BS on this and the analogy of this.. IF so then why do all Eibach Racing springs come powdercoated.. The springs I run on the Rally Car come from Europe Powdercoated.. The springs we run over the coarse of a weekend see more temp than the oven of a powdercoater. This is another example of Internet hear say.. Just like Jim said many moons ago that drilled rotors were a bad Idea.. Get the facts right before spewing... unless you can prove this scientifically..

To the original Poster of this thread.. Yes it sucks that the springs came with some chips in the paint, but you know what so did my Rubicon Express springs that I have on my rig right now.. Personally I would get them powdercoated and install them..run them and be done..

alright rant over:rattle:


And I still stand by that, it's a horrible design. On a rally car that gets brakes every other race? You probably won't have a problem, on a friggin Jeep? Sure will.

http://www.evilplastic.com/photos/r4crack.jpg

http://www.devtools.org/rus/mtimages/rotor-cracks-2.jpg






Do F1 cars or NASCAR run drilled rotors? Those guys obviously are far inferior to your weekend rally team ;)



Ok back on topic :looser:

[kastein]

I said assuming I hadn't mounted them.

Let's say I hadn't mounted them, I posted them for sale here, with the pictures I already provided, and sold them for the same price you could get them from Deaver. Would you be interested in them then?

This paint job will turn away all but those willing to strip and repaint them and racers. Deaver could wait a day after painting them to ship them and this would be avoided.
and those who will grab the first can of krylon or rustoleum hammered black off the shelf, hit the bare spots with it, shrug, put the springs in, and run em.

After a shot or two of gravel they will have chips anyways, I end up hitting random spots on my undercarriage and axles with rustoleum anytime I go offroad just to keep the rust away. It's just the way it is.

Ever see that pic of shock absorbers from Australia? One of the guys on here made some metal sleeves for his just to keep them from being worn down and punctured by gravel/sand as he drove. Leave pavement, and your paint will be assaulted, and it won't matter whether it was spotless when you started.

[Clean Racing]

And I still stand by that, it's a horrible design. On a rally car that gets brakes every other race? You probably won't have a problem, on a friggin Jeep? Sure will.






Do F1 cars or NASCAR run drilled rotors? Those guys obviously are far inferior to your weekend rally team ;)



Ok back on topic :looser:

Actually YES they do.. F1 and Neckcar both do.. F1 is all Carbon rotor and pads.. Nice pic of a pepboys rotor by the way..

[loki_racer]

You know that awful moment when you see a shopping cart hurtling across a parking lot, right towards your shiny mint new car, and you get that first ding?

Sounds like Deaver saved you the trouble. How much would that suck to have beautiful springs, and 100 feet into your first test run, kick up a rock and take a nice dent outta the finish? I'd hate to have that on my mind. Deaver takes care of that right from the start, and instead of worrying about it, you can get to racing & having fun that much quicker.

Hands down the best argument yet. I have no response other than to tell you, sir, you have won this discussion.

[crazyjim]

Actually YES they do.. F1 and Neckcar both do.. F1 is all Carbon rotor and pads.. Nice pic of a pepboys rotor by the way..
Haha, ok. Here's some non "Pep boys" rotors.

F1 Car:
http://autoracingworld.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/brakes1.jpg

Those sure look cross drilled don't they...




NASCAR:
http://www.truckseries.com/photog/albums/ASE_Spotlight050406/NCTSFrontBrakeAssembllySide.JPG

[crazyjim]

Aaaaaaand for good measure. Don't take my word for it... how bout brembo, wilwood, stoptech, and the like:

http://www.marcusfitzhugh.com/CLK/DIY/brakecdrill.html



Scotty, I think your race team needs to find it's way into the 21st century ;)

[GrimmJeeper]

http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp_warped_brakedisk.shtml

[lyleorszulak807]

Thanks for the heads up jim, I was thinking about buying some new rotors. Now Ill scratch the idea of getting cross drilled rotors and just stick with plane janes and get some ebc green stuff pads.

[FordGuy]

Good thread for entertainment! A lot of people don't care what there stuff looks like, and a lot do. For those who think the power coating does not last, look again. A whole season on our Race truck and our coils still look new with few chips. My XJ full traction springs still look like they came out of the box 4 years and 20K of offroad. I have powder coat my entire suspension incl the complete axles and for me it is so nice to wash the XJ and have no rust after 4 years. Jim I here you on the sandblasting of the coils, but many coils springs are blasted from the manufacture to peen the metal for better rate, so who knows , but would a pound or two of spring rate really matter? maybe.

[crazyjim]

Good thread for entertainment! A lot of people don't care what there stuff looks like, and a lot do. For those who think the power coating does not last, look again. A whole season on our Race truck and our coils still look new with few chips. My XJ full traction springs still look like they came out of the box 4 years and 20K of offroad. I have powder coat my entire suspension incl the complete axles and for me it is so nice to wash the XJ and have no rust after 4 years. Jim I here you on the sandblasting of the coils, but many coils springs are blasted from the manufacture to peen the metal for better rate, so who knows , but would a pound or two of spring rate really matter? maybe.
Oh don't get me wrong Rich, I'm all about looking good, as are you (apparent when you look at your Jeep). I would also LOVE to see a better paintjob or powdercoat on Deavers, I'm a big fan of powdercoating, and it DOES last. Hell I powdercoated that leduc housing I was going to run, people called me crazy.

I'm just quoting what I've been told as far as doing so to springs from someone who works for Eibach. Again, you're right, it's only a few lbs, but a change is a change. I don't think anybody on here would ever notice the difference, but who knows. I'm just throwing my pennies around.

[ktm racer 419]

Good thread for entertainment! A lot of people don't care what there stuff looks like, and a lot do. For those who think the power coating does not last, look again. A whole season on our Race truck and our coils still look new with few chips. My XJ full traction springs still look like they came out of the box 4 years and 20K of offroad. I have powder coat my entire suspension incl the complete axles and for me it is so nice to wash the XJ and have no rust after 4 years. Jim I here you on the sandblasting of the coils, but many coils springs are blasted from the manufacture to peen the metal for better rate, so who knows , but would a pound or two of spring rate really matter? maybe.

come to new england and say that. as soon as something gets chipped, the water,salt,sand gets under it and it will flake and rust away.

my jeep looks like shit

[vetteboy]

Anyone know where I can get blue spray paint to touch up my Blue Coil springs? There's a little spot on the upper springs on my rear coilovers that gets rubbed bare by the tires at full flex, and I want to paint them so they look nice until the rear axle articulates again.

On second thought, the tire rubbing does do an OK job on its own of keeping the rust away...

[kastein]

Anyone know where I can get blue spray paint to touch up my Blue Coil springs? There's a little spot on the upper springs on my rear coilovers that gets rubbed bare by the tires at full flex, and I want to paint them so they look nice until the rear axle articulates again.

On second thought, the tire rubbing does do an OK job on its own of keeping the rust away...
yeah, my tires keep a few spots nice and clean... and the rest of the spots are being kept clean by my oil and tranny fluid leaks.

[DieselSJ]

I'm not concerned with the looks. I'm concerned that a company that sells springs, that are generally used by racers, come in a less than impressive condition. How hard is it to actually let the pain dry?

How hard is it for you to stop crying?

[DieselSJ]

I don't think that's the case. Springs heat up to well over 200 deg on any Off-road Race vehicle. All the Bilstein, King, HyperTech, Eibach etc. are all powdercoated. Powder Coating Adds $14.00 to the price of the springs. Well worth it.

We have NEVER had a spring get anywhere close to 200 degrees. Not on our Jeepspeed, our Class 8, our Class 6 Cherokee, or our 7 Ranger. Never.

[loki_racer]

How hard is it for you to stop crying?

How hard is it for you to add something useful to a conversation?

[FordGuy]

We have NEVER had a spring get anywhere close to 200 degrees. Not on our Jeepspeed, our Class 8, our Class 6 Cherokee, or our 7 Ranger. Never.

What is the hottest your shocks get? 225+ .Coil springs on a shock work just like valve springs which can easley see 300deg. Why do you think when you start to lose a shock from heat the coil goes away. I was very surprised the first time I looked at the laser temp gun that Bilstein used to check temp. We never checked coil spring temp until schooled by Bilstein. Run that 6000lb class 8 in a rough section for 20 min then go rap your hand around that coil for a few seconds, post up the pics of you hand, then you tell me how hot you think it was

[DieselSJ]

What is the hottest your shocks get? 225+ .Coil springs on a shock work just like valve springs which can easley see 300deg. Why do you think when you start to lose a shock from heat the coil goes away. I was very surprised the first time I looked at the laser temp gun that Bilstein used to check temp. We never checked coil spring temp until schooled by Bilstein. Run that 6000lb class 8 in a rough section for 20 min then go rap your hand around that coil for a few seconds, post up the pics of you hand, then you tell me how hot you think it was

I've had the temp gun on our shocks and springs. I saw the shocks on our 8 over 300. In working with Bilstein we have our JS shock temps under control now. I'm not saying that springs don't get hot, but not 200 degrees.

[MoparManiac]

Good thread for entertainment! A lot of people don't care what there stuff looks like, and a lot do. For those who think the power coating does not last, look again. A whole season on our Race truck and our coils still look new with few chips. My XJ full traction springs still look like they came out of the box 4 years and 20K of offroad. I have powder coat my entire suspension incl the complete axles and for me it is so nice to wash the XJ and have no rust after 4 years. Jim I here you on the sandblasting of the coils, but many coils springs are blasted from the manufacture to peen the metal for better rate, so who knows , but would a pound or two of spring rate really matter? maybe.

come to new england and say that. as soon as something gets chipped, the water,salt,sand gets under it and it will flake and rust away.

my jeep looks like shit

^This.

pwned.

Powdercoating on my JKS steering didn't last more than 3 months.

[vetteboy]

I've heard that Deaver coil springs get up to 451 degrees F, and just burn the cardboard off.

[kastein]

I stopped caring and started wheeling the rig more and looking at its underside less.

I have way more fun with it now.

[FordGuy]

I've heard that Deaver coil springs get up to 451 degrees F, and just burn the cardboard off.

LOL....I do wonder wht so many people have problems with there powdercoating. Maybe there is just a huge diff in quality and product being used. Heck the guy who does my powdercoating does Marine parts all the time with no issues???

[kastein]

mostly because we have salt AND rocks here.

Once you break the seal on something powder coated, there really isn't much in the way of it rusting. The rust starts small right in the opened spot, but since rust is larger than the metal it came from, it bubbles the powdercoat up and that leaves more room for more rust. Rot, lather, repeat...

The only way to keep rust off of steel up here is to cover it with an oxygen/water/salt impenetrable substance and keep it that way - whether it's oil/grease, paint, powdercoat, whatever, it doesn't matter, it just has to stay on there at all times. If something gets scratched and you don't want it rusting, you better re-coat it.

[JeepAddict85]

a leaking power steering line does wonders for rust control...

[iwannadie]

Just to jump in late, I say run them. It looks like they painted them and didn't let them dry so you would get them sooner. It likely came down to shipping them late or taking the chance of the paint getting messed up.

However, It sucks getting a part that looks ugly like that even if it is meant to be abused and will be ugly the first trip out. You expect things to look good when you fork over money, they don't show pictures on their site of beat up springs to get you to buy them.

[Loose_Nuts_Enterprises]

I've heard that Deaver coil springs get up to 451 degrees F, and just burn the cardboard off.

:flame: :D:D:D

[XJRunner]

ill trade you my RE5.5 coils that are nearly perfect. I'll even pay for both shipping costs

[Jeepman401]

Just to jump in late, I say run them. It looks like they painted them and didn't let them dry so you would get them sooner.
True, If they took the time to let the paint dry, we would probably be reading about deavers horrible shipping, and how long it took them to ship the springs.

[Darky]

I can understand being upset about the appearance of those springs. I think you're making just a wee bit too big of a deal out of this though. The springs will perform awesome, and repainting them will take the same amount of time as painting bare springs would have. You're out nothing time wise.

[loki_racer]

True, If they took the time to let the paint dry, we would probably be reading about deavers horrible shipping, and how long it took them to ship the springs.

If they posted pictures of springs with paint jobs like those that they ship, we wouldn't be having this conversation at all. Also, I'm willing to ignore long turn around times on orders, if it's clearly stated before I place the order.

[XJRunner]

my offer to trade still stands...

[loki_racer]

my offer to trade still stands...

Thanks, but there's about an $80 difference between Deaver and RE springs I believe. I'm also no looking to run something other than Deaver. I posted here because I wanted to make sure others were aware of the condition the coils ship in.

[kastein]

Thanks, but there's about an $80 difference between Deaver and RE springs I believe. I'm also no looking to run something other than Deaver. I posted here because I wanted to make sure others were aware of the condition the coils ship in.
then why all the crying and carrying on and comments like "if I decide not to run these it's going to lower how much I can sell them for"?

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/353/stop20whining.jpg

[loki_racer]

What?

If I decide not to run the Deaver coils, the condition they arrived make their value much less than what I paid for them. This would be inline with me declining to swap springs with some that offered an even trade for springs that are worth at least $80 less than what I paid for the Deavers.

I didn't come here looking to trade or sell my springs. I posted here to let everyone know that the springs Deaver sells do not come in a finished condition. I then made some statements, like the one you quoted, to backup the idea that people should buy Deaver springs if they plan to resell them, unless they are willing to put some work in on the springs by painting them.

I'm fairly certain that this thread was been helpful to some, therefore I think it was worth my time. If you don't like the thread, you're welcome to start your own about how great the Deaver springs are that you run.

[iwannadie]

What?

If I decide not to run the Deaver coils, the condition they arrived make their value much less than what I paid for them. This would be inline with me declining to swap springs with some that offered an even trade for springs that are worth at least $80 less than what I paid for the Deavers.

I didn't come here looking to trade or sell my springs. I posted here to let everyone know that the springs Deaver sells do not come in a finished condition. I then made some statements, like the one you quoted, to backup the idea that people should buy Deaver springs if they plan to resell them, unless they are willing to put some work in on the springs by painting them.

I'm fairly certain that this thread was been helpful to some, therefore I think it was worth my time. If you don't like the thread, you're welcome to start your own about how great the Deaver springs are that you run.

Your opinion wouldn't keep me from buying Deaver coils(out of my budget does ha) but I did think it was helpful. It is always good to know what to expect when ordering stuff online. Like I said before, they show a perfectly pristine coil on the site and that's what someone should expect to get after paying. The fact they packaged a still wet with paint coil spring may be a sign of a problem within the company though not necessarily with the coil itself.

Reminds me of some buddies who rode dirt bikes. They would take their bikes into the shop and they would get them back all scratched up. The people at the shop used the excuse "Well you're just taking it off road and it's going to get beat up anyways, we saved you the trouble." .

If I am paying for a new unmarred product that's what I expect to receive, what I do with it after that is my business.

[crazyjim]

I'm locking this thread. What needed to be said has been said... We all know where everybody stands and it's just turned into bickering. We all need to take a step back, myself included, and realize this is still a tech section, not a BS section.