Robbed at Gun point!!!

[Speed_racer]

Went up to Advanced auto in lehigh at bell blvd last night at 830 with reliablesteves brother, brian.

heading out to the jeep, im gettin in pass side, brian into the drivers, he had his door open when a decked out light black male buries a gun into his back demanding his wallet. Brian turns around, realizes whats going on, and tells him he doesnt have it. He then is pushed back into the jeep and the small hangun .22/9mm buried into his chest.

The guy went to XXXX it, already mashing the trigger, and it JAMMED!!! We were then able to flee into the auto store to call the police...

I give the Lehigh guys credit tho, first cop there w/in 3 minutes of call, chopper and k-9's to follow...

Same description guy and gun 15 minutes later rob a wallet in the walmart parking lot...

Didnt find 'em yet!
FRIGGIN SCARY!!!

[XJRunner]

MY GOD YOUR FRIEND IS THE LUCKIEST MAN ALIVE!!! someone was looking out for him

[SBrad001]

Glad you two are safe.

[RichP]

The ultimate nitemare and not being able to defend yourself or somebody else. CC permits are available in Florida, it's a 'shall issue state'...

[KarlVP]

Glad to hear you guys are okay.

Wow.....

[swany]

ya i agree on the carry permit, a nice .50 cal in his face would have tured the tables. XXXXin ass holes like that is why i have one!

[87manche]

been there.
was 16, robbed by two large black males.
Mom was the manager, he grabbed mom , I took a swing. Got pistol whipped for my trouble.
sucked.

[Kejtar]

The ultimate nitemare and not being able to defend yourself or somebody else. CC permits are available in Florida, it's a 'shall issue state'...
One thing to keep in mind: carry permit would have not saved him if the gun did not jam. Situational awareness is the key! Brain is the other, gun is the third. If someone draws on you and asks for a wallet, you hand over the wallet. Pulling a gun at that point is signing your own death warrant (unless you get lucky and the other guy's gun jams).

[RichP]

One thing to keep in mind: carry permit would have not saved him if the gun did not jam. Situational awareness is the key! Brain is the other, gun is the third. If someone draws on you and asks for a wallet, you hand over the wallet. Pulling a gun at that point is signing your own death warrant (unless you get lucky and the other guy's gun jams).

Agree, a wallet is not worth the paper work, good reason to carry a spare empty one with old stuff in it. Was taught to throw the wallet one direction and run the other. Was at the video store a few month ago with the TJ, almost dark, couple of pants falling down types were hanging out next to it, I walked out the door and stopped, pulled out my camera phone and snapped a pic, flash went off. One of them asked me what I was doing and I said a friend wanted a pic of my jeep and that I just emailed it. They walked away but kept looking back, waited till they were well gone before I stepped away from the door.
You always have to scan whats going on, should be a constant thing but after military and working as a bouncer for 4 years while in college I don't even think about it anymore.

[Speed_racer]

My wallet wouldve been handed over in a heartbeat, if the tables were turned.

I go tomorrow for my class/cert to get my CWP. Being across the jeep, wouldve been nice to pull out a .45 to outwit his lil .22/9mm, especially since his wasn't loaded, and mine definitely would be.

[Kejtar]

I go tomorrow for my class/cert to get my CWP. Being across the jeep, wouldve been nice to pull out a .45 to outwit his lil .22/9mm, especially since his wasn't loaded, and mine definitely would be.
I agree that CWP or CCW or whatever it is called in your state is something worth pursuing. Scenarios though... oh man, most of the ones where you would want to use them are ugly as you have to always keep in mind everyone else. If he has a gun on your friend you don't draw on him. If he is fleeing, very few states allow you to take action (I think TX is only one of them). And lastly.... don't discount the 9mm so easily. Also 9mm is somewhat related to a .38 and not a .22.

[scoobyxj]

lastly.... don't discount the 9mm so easily. Right it doesn't matter what calaber the gun is. A BB gun can kill you if used correctly.

[ECKSJAY]

Get LOTS of training, not just the requirements for the CPL/CCP/ETC. There's so much more to these situations than I can get into on a forum. ;)

[Ghost]

Tis the season.... happens every year people get desperate and people die. I prefer the "disposable" guns myself. Kejtar is right though if someone has the draw on you best to do whatever you can to divert and difuse the situation.

[RedHeep]

Get LOTS of training, not just the requirements for the CPL/CCP/ETC. There's so much more to these situations than I can get into on a forum. ;)

Agreed. A CCW license does not make you James Bond, almost every situation where you would draw has legal consequences if not done right. Do the research and educate yourself or you'll be just as guilty in court as the other guy.

[UNCC_99XJ]

man somebody upstairs was really lookin out for yall last night!

glad yall are ok.

Had a guy who i thought was gonna pull a gun on me last night. Was comin out of a car show in downtown charlotte, 8:15 or so. Black male was walkin down the street next to where me and my two friends were. The garage I had parked in was directly across the street from the convention center. Didn't think much of the guy at first as he didn't come across as the type who was out for trouble. Started askin us which cars we liked the most and all. Then he asked us if we had any money so he could buy some "food". The honest to god truth is that we didn't have any cash, we had all spent our last $$$ to get into the show. Even if we did we wouldn't give it to him. After we said sorry that we didn't, he started reaching into the pocket of his sweatshirt and fumblin around for somethin. Immediately I thought oh shit this dude gonna pull a gun on us. LUCKILY a charlotte cop happened to pull up right next to us, just sitting in traffic waiting for the light to change. The dude played it off and said thanks anyway, and walked away.

Needless to say we hauled ass to the Jeep and got the hell out of the area before he saw us again.

Sucks that we have to live in a society with people like this who are out for no good.

[Kejtar]

Right it doesn't matter what calaber the gun is. A BB gun can kill you if used correctly.
I read an article recently where someone died from a .22 shot because the bullet traveled to the heart through an artery or something like that.... talk about a shitty way to go.

[ECKSJAY]

Right it doesn't matter what calaber the gun is. A BB gun can kill you if used correctly.

In theory, yeah...but the less powerful the round is, the less likely it's going to do anything really bad.

[CRASH]

couple of pants falling down types were hanging out next to it,


What the hell were SoCal chapter peeps doing in your neck of the woods?

[RichP]

I read an article recently where someone died from a .22 shot because the bullet traveled to the heart through an artery or something like that.... talk about a shitty way to go.

Then there's the oddballs, back in 76 or so a guy walked into a hospital in Norfolk va. His wife had shot him 6 times in the head with a .22 [musta been shorts], blood all over the place but none penetrated, knocked him out and the wife thought he was dead as did the boyfriend. Needless to say she was a mite shocked when the poice picked her up a few hours later with her boyfriend and they were confronted by her 'dead' husband. Guy was off a carrier and caught a mail plane in 3 days early from a med cruise.

[Kejtar]

Since concealed weapons permit was brought up I will hijack the thread a bit more:
1. Those interested should checkout www.combatcarry.com It's a great forum for those who are interested in self defense.
2. When you draw you better be ready to fire. You might not have to but you better be ready willing and able.
3. There will be consequences of your actions. You better buy extra insurance to cover lawyer fees. Now granted it's better to be alive then dead but your actions might cost you everything you own even if you did everything right.
4. If you end up having to shoot someone, when cops show up cooperate to the point of "I am in shock, I want a lawyer, I'm not saying anything else but my name". Whatever you say to the cop will be used against you later (no matter how friendly teh cop is) in either criminal or civil case (you might have to go first through criminal if there are any questions about the shoot and then probably civil if someone will want to make money on you)

And training is a must: hit the range often and keep your weapon in good running condition and know how particular ammo behaves in your carry gun (don't carry an untested gun or ammo).

Lastly: concealed means concealed. Also you get no badge with the permit: this means you're not there to play a vigilante and hero. Someone's robbing the bank you're in, great.. let them take money and take no action unless lifes are in danger. If they are, make sure that your actions are not going to place even more lifes in danger. Use what's between your ears so that you don't have to use the automatic lead dispensing and delivery system.

[Kejtar]

In theory, yeah...but the less powerful the round is, the less likely it's going to do anything really bad.
Yes and no: lets not get started the shot placement vs caliber vs stopping power debate ;) In general a gun is a gun. And if someone is pointing a 9mm at you, the fact it is 9mm does not mean that you can just pull your 45 like nothing is going on because your gun is bigger then his gun. Even .22 at close range can turn deadly.

[RichP]

I read an article recently where someone died from a .22 shot because the bullet traveled to the heart through an artery or something like that.... talk about a shitty way to go.

Doubled, ignore.

[8Mud]

I still seperate my wallets, one in one pocket, one in another. A habit I picked up 40-50 years ago.
Situational awarenss, like the man said. I'm carefull where I park, have my keys ready before I get to the XJ, habitually have the hound with me.
I have the habit of most always watching someones hands. Tunnel vision of the hands. Last night when I was returning to the XJ, guy walking up a deserted street. Carrying an umbrella (unusual), right away with a mental (you jerk) tore my eyes away from his umbrella and noticed he had his left hand in his pocket. Right hand holding the umbrella. I still walked a good three feet to his left. He would have had to twist to draw.
Fear is a survivial trait. Bravery will get you dead. Use your brain. Preidictability is also to be avoided.
I've been robbed (or attemped) more than a few times (over about 45 years or so). One guy pulled a pistol when he was still 30 feet away, I was gone like a rabbit. Two guys came into a store when I was behind the counter, he had the pistol pointed down behind his leg. I pulled a Ruger 30 cal carbine revolver (from under the counter) and shot him right through his partner, actually the bullet went through both of them. Got knocked out (hit with a sap at he base of the skull) and my wallet lifted at a bus station ($800). Guy with a knife got my wallet on the way to the parking lot, after a swing shift. Same swing shift a few months later on the way to the same parking lot, put a 9mm round in the same guys briskit. Guy and his girl frined botched it, his pistol hung in his belt he looked down. I was gone. Saw the guy like two months later, sitting in a chair waiting to get his hair cut, I came up beside him real quiet, coughed real loud, he truned around quick and his nose was burried in my crotch. Remember me asshat, haven't seen him since.
Perosonal rule, if he woud have actually pointed the pistol at me, he wouldn't have gotten a second chance.
My son saved my bacon, picking up cash at the automatic teller, two guys waiting around the corner, my son (waiting for me in the XJ) turned on the headlights, then the high beams, was out of the XJ with the hound barking and raising hell. I taught him well.
There is always tomorrow, hopefully.

[Speed_racer]

.22/9mm was only stated b/c i had no way to be positive the size of the gun.

[Kejtar]

.22/9mm was only stated b/c i had no way to be positive the size of the gun.
then that is the MOST dangerous type of a gun. I have seen some really compact .45's that at first glance could be dismissed as being of smaller caliber.

[Cornflake]

One of my first jobs (18 y.o.) was working for a pizza franchise. As a delivery driver I was robbed at gun point twice and then as the assistant manager I was robbed at gun point and shots were fired. The dude was a crappy shot and the bullets went everywhere else except near me. He hauled a$$ out of the store and starting running through our parking lot. It was near closing time so I had pulled my Trans Am up to the front doors and had the T-tops off so I ran out and jumped into it with every intent on running this guy down. A coworker stopped me as I was screeching away. When the cops came, I was informed that if I would have run him down, then I would most likely get in more trouble then the dude that robbed me. That's messed up, especially after he had fired shots at me. Self defense right? Needless to say, I'm glad that I moved away from the central valley. Way too much crime down there.

[Speed_racer]

then that is the MOST dangerous type of a gun. I have seen some really compact .45's that at first glance could be dismissed as being of smaller caliber.

I used to own a Taurus Millenium .45 that would hold 11 total rounds, and the whole thing would fit without hanging off in the palm of my hand.

But it was a .22 or 9mm, guaranteed.

[WheelinJR]

the two of you shoulda took his jammed gun away and pistol whipped him with it.

[8Mud]

Lots of times it isn't the size of the round it's where you put it. Aim small miss small. A 9mm round to the sternum will mess up most anybodies day. I bounced a .357 round off of a dogs skull (frothing at the mouth, staggering and biting bushes and stuff, likely Rabies), cured me of trying for head shots. A fluke maybe, but I don't trust head shots anymore.
My round of choice is the .44 special in a target load, semi jacketed wad cutter. I hunt a lot of wild pig, and have had to put a second round in more than a few, they die hard. .44 special wad cutter doesn't go all the way through, dumps most all it's energy into whatever you are shooting at and mushrooms up to about 5/8 inch. It knocks them down (though it does mess up some meat). Like my rifle of choice when hunting pigs in a thicket, is the Remignton .35 softpoint rifle bullet. Big, slow and dumps all it's energy into whatever you shoot, knocks them down. If a high velocity bullet goes all the way through (which is likely) much of the energy can be wasted. You can't really count on hydrostatic shock to do the job, it can be iffy. You always have to worry about were the bullet is going when it travels all the way through something.
The trouble with big pistol calibers, is the recoil, with a smaller caliber you can get a second shot off a lot quicker. Another reason to carry a smaller caliber is if you ever go to court, you can just about guarantee the lawyer on the other side, will make a big deal out of a larger caliber. I've heard them making the speech about the all powerfull magnum, the jurors don't know that a magnum pistol round is rarley half the velocity of a standard rifle round. One reason I use the .44 special, rather than the magnum, is that it often works better than the magnum and has less recoil. If it works well on pigs, it likely works well on everything.

[8Mud]

I used to own a Taurus Millenium .45 that would hold 11 total rounds, and the whole thing would fit without hanging off in the palm of my hand.

But it was a .22 or 9mm, guaranteed.
Or possibly a .32 or a 9mm short. .32 used to be the pistol of choice for pimps, actually a pretty decent round for target shooting. A whole lot of auto's made in that caliber over the years.

[Atl XJ]

Wow man, crazy story. I'm glad you are your friends are okay. I've had a gun pointed at me a few times, but luckily I've never had anyone fire or attempt to fire. Its a really, really scary feeling and you don't ever completely forget about it.

[JohnX]

.22 or 9mm? Thats quite a big difference.

So it could have been .25, .32, .357, .38, .380, 9mm, .40 ?????????

[Speed_racer]

.22 or 9mm? Thats quite a big difference.

So it could have been .25, .32, .357, .38, .380, 9mm, .40 ?????????

You guys are looking a little too deep into things.

I know handguns pretty well, it was a newer gun, slant front, cheapo, black grip, silver, non chrome, slide.

For the last time, it was a 9mm or .22 and regardless I dont give a damn if it was a BB gun, in a black parking lot, shit is scary!!

[heapxj]

After that gun jammed, I would have shoved it up his ass.

[IXNAYXJ]

.22 or 9mm? Thats quite a big difference.

So it could have been .25, .32, .357, .38, .380, 9mm, .40 ?????????Yes, it's strange that Speedracer is so convinced about it being a 9mm/.22, but I think it's academic in terms of the story. Having a 9mm pointed at you is scary, and I don't think a .22 isn't much less scary. Either way, glad to hear the incident ended without anyone getting hurt.

EDIT: I know handguns pretty well, it was a newer gun, slant front, cheapo, black grip, silver, non chrome, slide. Forgive the skepticism, but it doesn't sound like you "know hand guns really well." That's pretty vague, and in no way points to it being exclusively a .22 or 9mm as you keep insisting. Like I said earlier, it doesn't really matter for the story.

-----Matt-----

[rocklandxjer]

no you wouldnt have.

After that gun jammed, I would have shoved it up his ass.

[Kejtar]

You guys are looking a little too deep into things.

I know handguns pretty well, it was a newer gun, slant front, cheapo, black grip, silver, non chrome, slide.

For the last time, it was a 9mm or .22 and regardless I dont give a damn if it was a BB gun, in a black parking lot, shit is scary!!
Not that i want to pick on you, but what you just described also could be a refinished sig (people put different coatings on guns: both slide and grip, to make them look different). All I was trying to say that the caliber doesn't matter. Gun is a gun: it's meant to go bang and you guys got lucky. Action to counter the gun should not be taken based on the caliber of the other gun but rather on the overall situation.

[Speed_racer]

Not that i want to pick on you, but what you just described also could be a refinished sig (people put different coatings on guns: both slide and grip, to make them look different). All I was trying to say that the caliber doesn't matter. Gun is a gun: it's meant to go bang and you guys got lucky. Action to counter the gun should not be taken based on the caliber of the other gun but rather on the overall situation.
Absolutely agreed.

Oh trust me, I'm the last one to ever take something wrong! lol!!

And i agree that it doesnt matter, .22 or .50, still frickin scary..

although I will admit, i wouldve been much more freaked if dude pulled out a D.E. or something! lol

[Speed_racer]

IXNAYXJ

Sorry that I'm not technical enough...


lol, im kidding you guys

[Ramsey]

kidding about what?

[95meangreen]

Dude with the gun debate i dont want to get shot with anything over a wallet that someone wants. I have had a guy get out of his car with a wrench and wanted to beat me up with it, But i used carry a realistic shaped airsoft gun with me for assholes that wanted trouble. he got out of his car with a wrench and i grab the airsoft gun and he didnt want trouble, i figure if he knew i was bluffing or not i was faster than this old man anyways. but bottom line no one wants to get shot anywhere with anything or take the chance of that. so moneys not worth it.

[IXNAYXJ]

Dude with the gun debate i dont want to get shot with anything over a wallet that someone wants. I have had a guy get out of his car with a wrench and wanted to beat me up with it, But i used carry a realistic shaped airsoft gun with me for assholes that wanted trouble. he got out of his car with a wrench and i grab the airsoft gun and he didnt want trouble, i figure if he knew i was bluffing or not i was faster than this old man anyways. but bottom line no one wants to get shot anywhere with anything or take the chance of that. so moneys not worth it.That's pretty scary on a lot of levels.

-----Matt-----

[95meangreen]

oh and after the gun jammed me and my buddy would have beat the crap out of him and stole his gun for real im not kidding i wouldnt let anyone get away with that im glad you guys are ok

[wilsel]

oh and after the gun jammed me and my buddy would have beat the crap out of him and stole his gun for real im not kidding i wouldnt let anyone get away with that im glad you guys are ok

Easy to say that without being in the situation. I would of wanted to do the same thing, but I honestly don't know what I'd do in that situation. I don't know if the instinct to kill him before he kills me would kick in, or the instinct to run as fast as you can would.

[Powerman]

I had an altercation once and decided to carry. That decision opens a lot of doors. In most states, it is not ok to shoot someone. You have to prove that you believed your life was in danger, and you have to prove that you had no escape, that you had no other options available to you. Conceled carry guarantees nothing. If someone want your wallet, fine. He might just leave. Now you pull out your gun, IF you can get to it, and the situation changes dramatically. I just went from a guy that just wants a hit of crack, to one that is now is in fear for my life. Big difference. Diffusing the situation and doing what it takes for the guy to leave is a ligitimate action to take. I have no idea how I would react, I just hope I would do what the situation called for to go home that night safe. Fight or flight. BOTH responses have served us well for a long time.

[reliablestv]

yeah i was at the house waiting for them to return w/ some guide bolts
the bad part is im pretty sure he was going to shoot my brother cause he told the dude he didnt have his wallet, it was in his center council, im sure he would have happily given it up if he did have it on him.

i do have a carry permit and i do carry everywhere i go fortunatly i wasnt there case i would have killed him and who wants to do that

thank god the situation turned out the way it did. if i were there someone would have lost there life that nite. i just want to brng my brother home when its all said and done. a thugs life is worth the trade


hinesite is 20-20

[reliablestv]

Yes, it's strange that Speedracer is so convinced about it being a 9mm/.22, but I think it's academic in terms of the story. Having a 9mm pointed at you is scary, and I don't think a .22 isn't much less scary. Either way, glad to hear the incident ended without anyone getting hurt.

EDIT: Forgive the skepticism, but it doesn't sound like you "know hand guns really well." That's pretty vague, and in no way points to it being exclusively a .22 or 9mm as you keep insisting. Like I said earlier, it doesn't really matter for the story.

-----Matt-----
me and bryan are pretty well versed in hand guns and he was staring down the barrel so hes just guessing by barrel sixe. and given the situation im supprised he didnt call it a .50 cal

[95meangreen]

Easy to say that without being in the situation. I would of wanted to do the same thing, but I honestly don't know what I'd do in that situation. I don't know if the instinct to kill him before he kills me would kick in, or the instinct to run as fast as you can would.


well i have been in that situation kinda... i had a kid in highschool get pissed and held i knife to my chest and i told him to cool down and in the middle of one of my sentences i grabbed the hand with the knife i kicked the front of his knee cap and threw to elbows to his face then he let go and kick him in the ribs and me and his knife left. i didnt stab him like he would me but im not gonna let someone hold my life in there hands and let them chose if i get stab or shot im at least going to do something about it before that happens.

[JohnX]

Smell that?????????





























Smells like testosterone.

I'd like to think that all you guys would react the way you say you would, or did, but I have to call BS.

[Ramsey]

Smells like bullshit to me John

[95meangreen]

you can believe me or not but i didnt let that asshole mess with me. Im not just going to let someone control me then run away if his plan backfired. Because those kind of guys would do it to you if they could and sometimes you have to let people know they cant do that to you. you can do whatever you like but especially if me and a buddy were to get held up and that guys plan backfired we would have kick his ass until he wasnt a threat anymore

[ECKSJAY]

This thread sucks.

[stewie]

I had an altercation once and decided to carry. That decision opens a lot of doors. In most states, it is not ok to shoot someone. You have to prove that you believed your life was in danger, and you have to prove that you had no escape, that you had no other options available to you. Conceled carry guarantees nothing. If someone want your wallet, fine. He might just leave. Now you pull out your gun, IF you can get to it, and the situation changes dramatically. I just went from a guy that just wants a hit of crack, to one that is now is in fear for my life. Big difference. Diffusing the situation and doing what it takes for the guy to leave is a ligitimate action to take. I have no idea how I would react, I just hope I would do what the situation called for to go home that night safe. Fight or flight. BOTH responses have served us well for a long time.

powerman is correct in SOME points. True, in order to take a life legaly, one must be in fear of his own or someone elses. they must be in the offence of a crime involving death or serious bodily harm. a thug holding a gun to a mans chest is a crime where he is threatening the victim with death/serious bodily harm where as legaly deadly force can be used.

Now the prove you had no escape is BS in most states. in fact only a select few (for some reason FL comes to mind) states require you to exauhst all other mean first even if it puts you in danger. i think that law may have recently been stricken from FLs books. but that type of law is asinine if you ask me. again most states including Utah and Arizona do not have the attempt to escape clause.

just a guy that wants a hit of crack? not when a gun gets involved. things get a little more personal then. defusing the situation is not always a possiblity. if someone is crazy enough to pull a gun on somone, thier sence of reason is usualy gone.

none of us realy know how we will react. hopefully for those of us whom have trained for this and/or similar situations will react accordingly. i know one thing though, i dont give a damn about the bad guy, but i am going home to my family at night. even if it mean explaining why the guy has 16 rounds in him.

fight or flight. hey, if your thing is to run like a little sheep, more power to you. no offence but it just aint me.

im just waiting for the L.E.O's and lawyers to pipe up on the use of force for this instance.

[Smittty9785]

Went up to Advanced auto in lehigh at bell blvd last night at 830 with reliablesteves brother, brian.

heading out to the jeep, im gettin in pass side, brian into the drivers, he had his door open when a decked out light black male buries a gun into his back demanding his wallet. Brian turns around, realizes whats going on, and tells him he doesnt have it. He then is pushed back into the jeep and the small hangun .22/9mm buried into his chest.

The guy went to XXXX it, already mashing the trigger, and it JAMMED!!! We were then able to flee into the auto store to call the police...

I give the Lehigh guys credit tho, first cop there w/in 3 minutes of call, chopper and k-9's to follow...

Same description guy and gun 15 minutes later rob a wallet in the walmart parking lot...

Didnt find 'em yet!
FRIGGIN SCARY!!!
you folks are lucky, you better start praying to someone my friend...

[Beej]

well i have been in that situation kinda... i had a kid in highschool get pissed and held i knife to my chest and i told him to cool down and in the middle of one of my sentences i grabbed the hand with the knife i kicked the front of his knee cap and threw to elbows to his face then he let go and kick him in the ribs and me and his knife left. i didnt stab him like he would me but im not gonna let someone hold my life in there hands and let them chose if i get stab or shot im at least going to do something about it before that happens. I find it hard to believe you were able to kick his kneecap in quarters close enough for him to hold a knife to your chest. If you were close enough to throw an elbow in his face, you were too close to raise your own knee high enough to get a shot at his kneecap...

[8Mud]

The big question when dealing with the courts is reasonable force. Reasonable being the key word. Basically, when you have no place to hide and no place to run and your life is in danger, you got to fight.
Basically military stuff, cover (something solid to hide behind) concealment (something to hide behind that may or may not stop a bullet). Getting out of the impact zone (or running to someplace where the bombs or bullets aren't flying). And lastly charging the ambush (when there is no place to run and no place to hide, charge).
My first trip to court, I actually did something right. The lawyer asked me why I didn't just point the gun at him and hold him until the police arrived. My answer was he didn't have a mask on, lawyer says what does that have to do with it. My answer was, it was likely he didn't plan on leaving any witnesses. If he would have had a mask on, I would have given him the cash. Lawyer, had no further questions.

[Powerman]

For once I'm not trying to debate anything. I don't have a problem carrying, or shooting someone that lives on the wrong side of the law. I never said running like a little sheep was my thing. If you are Billy Badass, goody for you. That is not hard to do on a Jeep forum. All I'm trying to say is that if your goal is to go home to your family at the end of the day, there are a lot of ways to accomplish that. Guns are not the Nuclear trump card everyone makes them out to be. In this very case, he could have had a nice H&K sitting in his back and it wouldn't have stopped the guy from pulling the trigger as he did. And regardless of the talk, there isn't many people that would have been able to force a different outcome.

I think the fact that you had a gun to your chest, the guy pulled the trigger, you went home instead of the hospital, and you didn't loose a penny was a really great day. What would have been worse was that when the guy ran away, you chased him, he cleared his jam, and put 2 in your head. It's easy to play web Rambo. Nobody can say what they "think" they would do. Everyone would do the same, "react" to the situation at hand, and hopefully be able to pick it apart with hind sight when it is over.

[BrettM]

did he run immediately after it jammed? were there any other guys with him?

I like to think I would take that guy to the ground as soon as it jammed, you don't want him clearing it and getting a few off. plus, you know you have backup that will only take 2.6 seconds to jump across the hood...

yikes

you'll have a very thankful thanksgiving

[KarlVP]

Quick question, in this situation... who has more adrenaline pumping.

The robber or the robee?

[ECKSJAY]

i do have a carry permit and i do carry everywhere i go fortunatly i wasnt there case i would have killed him and who wants to do that

Right, who wants to possibly kill someone? I got a license to carry my $559 space-age polymer-framed pistol loaded with proven, high-powered, expanding ammunition because it's 'cool'. I carry it anytime I leave the house and have become extremely proficient with it simply because I never know when I want to stop off at the shooting range or show it to a friend. What kind of person carries to protect themselves or their families from the likes of psychotics and other assorted lunatics/addicts? I mean, even martial arts are for exhibition, aren't they? Heavens, I'd never want to hurt anyone who tried to harm me.

[Powerman]

This thread sucks.

So I assume you stand by your original statement?:D

[JeepFreak21]

Right, who wants to possibly kill someone? I got a license to carry my $559 space-age polymer-framed pistol loaded with proven, high-powered, expanding ammunition because it's 'cool'. I carry it anytime I leave the house and have become extremely proficient with it simply because I never know when I want to stop off at the shooting range or show it to a friend. What kind of person carries to protect themselves or their families from the likes of psychotics and other assorted lunatics/addicts? I mean, even martial arts are for exhibition, aren't they? Heavens, I'd never want to hurt anyone who tried to harm me.

:D

[Fergie]

As has been said before...SITUATIONAL AWARENESS.

I was in Greeley, CO for the apst few days, and do not know the town. I was coming out of a coffee shop and saw a guy cross the street behind me, and continue walking behind me. Spidey sense was tingling so a turned in to one of the restaraunts for "directions."

I used to be the macho "I'll kick your ass" type, but reality, and a wife I want a life with takes precedence. Walk away with your life even if it means your pride is damaged and your ego bruised.

CCs in AZ have won a big fight recently too; The burden to prove your life was in danger for self defense is no longer on the defendee, but on the agressor...who shouldnt be talking if you shot him.

Now....who wants to sword fight...

Fergie

[Speed_racer]

Final note: I dont care how much training you have, as I have SEVERAL years in martial arts training, you WILL react differently in the situation. No matter how bad-ass you think you are, and that's a fact.

Also, you have many more options if the guy is in arms reach vs him standing 5-6 ft back.

Initially, he was in his chest, but Brian was naturally backing up, at that point there was 5-10 ft between him and the "wanna-be" thug, no time to grab a "jammed" gun from that far away, there just isn't.

So you "bad-ass"es carry on! But just dont keep thinking you're superman.. b/c a silver bullet could easily become your kryptonite.

[ECKSJAY]

Final note: I dont care how much training you have, as I have SEVERAL years in martial arts training,


Wow, several pages later and even more comes out. Can we just skip to the part where you're a Navy SEAL, too? Couldn't do anything in that situation because you signed a pact with the government not to use your ninja skills outside of official duties?

:eyes:

[Speed_racer]

Wow, several pages later and even more comes out. Can we just skip to the part where you're a Navy SEAL, too? Couldn't do anything in that situation because you signed a pact with the government not to use your ninja skills outside of official duties?

:eyes:

Not at all.

Should I ever become such a computer nerd that I need to divulge my whole life story including every single detail on every single post just to feel important to a bunch of people that I never care to meet? Not my style, buddy.

Does my past really have any relation to this specific situation? I'd say no.

So you all should do yourself's a favor, and quit trying to worry about other's lives so much, and worry about your own. I'm sure you guys have enough problems w/that as it is... as we all do.

You're a winner, Ecksgay! :explosion

[JeepDawg]

First, I'm glad to hear that you are your friend are alright. If you never had a reason to believe in God before, you do now....seriously.

This may be completely tangential, but I always find it interesting that some people feel a need to cite race when discussing these types of unfortunate incidences. Granted, if the police are putting out an APB, race might be a relevant factor. But for the purposes of this forum, I don't really see it. (It's unconscious, I know.....but no less interesting.)

Have a really great Thanksgiving!!!!

[rocklandxjer]

Right, who wants to possibly kill someone? I got a license to carry my $559 space-age polymer-framed pistol loaded with proven, high-powered, expanding ammunition because it's 'cool'. I carry it anytime I leave the house and have become extremely proficient with it simply because I never know when I want to stop off at the shooting range or show it to a friend. What kind of person carries to protect themselves or their families from the likes of psychotics and other assorted lunatics/addicts? I mean, even martial arts are for exhibition, aren't they? Heavens, I'd never want to hurt anyone who tried to harm me.


?? i dont think he means he carries it to look cool....

its kind of like car insurance, you dont go crashing your car because you have it, you drive safely and even avoid reporting minor incidents until it is absolutely necessary.

like he said, WHY would you WANT to KILL somebody?

[JohnX]

...just to feel important to a bunch of people that I never care to meet?
Don't want to meet us? I know you disagree with some of what has been said, but come on, if you never want to meet other Jeepers....Get the hell off the forums. This is a club first and a forum second. Clubs are meant to bring people together over a common interest.

I happen to agree with some of what you've said, but talking trash to paying members is not going to win over friends.

[RlCHARD CRANlUM]

WHY would you WANT to KILL somebody?

Some people just need to be killed to spare the rest of us their company.

[Speed_racer]

Don't want to meet us? I know you disagree with some of what has been said, but come on, if you never want to meet other Jeepers....Get the hell off the forums. This is a club first and a forum second. Clubs are meant to bring people together over a common interest.

I happen to agree with some of what you've said, but talking trash to paying members is not going to win over friends.

Well, lets not take things THAT literally! Considering the guy I got robbed with was stevereliables bro that I met from this board!!

Met over 100 guys from fjoa. www.floridajeepers.net

[Blaine B.]

Man, too bad......it would be nice to whip out the ol .30-06 Garand, swing around, return fire, knocking 8 rounds right into the thief's chest. *PING*

[Atl XJ]

Wow, several pages later and even more comes out. Can we just skip to the part where you're a Navy SEAL, too? Couldn't do anything in that situation because you signed a pact with the government not to use your ninja skills outside of official duties?

:eyes:

:laugh2: :laugh2:

[ECKSJAY]

Should I ever become such a computer nerd that I need to divulge my whole life story including every single detail on every single post just to feel important to a bunch of people that I never care to meet? Not my style, buddy.


Ah, I see.

Went up to Advanced auto in lehigh at bell blvd last night at 830 with reliablesteves brother, brian.

heading out to the jeep, im gettin in pass side, brian into the drivers, he had his door open when a decked out light black male buries a gun into his back demanding his wallet. Brian turns around, realizes whats going on, and tells him he doesnt have it. He then is pushed back into the jeep and the small hangun .22/9mm buried into his chest.

The guy went to XXXX it, already mashing the trigger, and it JAMMED!!! We were then able to flee into the auto store to call the police...

I give the Lehigh guys credit tho, first cop there w/in 3 minutes of call, chopper and k-9's to follow...

Same description guy and gun 15 minutes later rob a wallet in the walmart parking lot...

Didnt find 'em yet!
FRIGGIN SCARY!!!

[kubtastic]

Exactly here:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=advanced+auto&sll=26.596389,-81.628889&sspn=0.108522,0.21698&ie=UTF8&z=19&ll=26.603762,-81.611874&spn=0.001696,0.002511&t=k&om=1

http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061117/NEWS0103/311250001/1075

Hey, why don't you post your phone number and name so that the suspect can find you and prevent you from singling him out in a line-up? Or, delete all references to yourself when there's a gunman on the loose?

Better yet, divulge the identity of all the victims of this incident?

[Blaine B.]

They forgot to mention he attempted murder.......

[ECKSJAY]

They forgot to mention he attempted murder.......

:cheers:

Exactly here:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=advanced+auto&sll=26.596389,-81.628889&sspn=0.108522,0.21698&ie=UTF8&z=19&ll=26.603762,-81.611874&spn=0.001696,0.002511&t=k&om=1

http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061117/NEWS0103/311250001/1075

Hey, why don't you post your phone number and name so that the suspect can find you and prevent you from singling him out in a line-up? Or, delete all references to yourself when there's a gunman on the loose?

Better yet, divulge the identity of all the victims of this incident?

:cheers:

[XJ Dreamin']

Man, too bad......it would be nice to whip out the ol BAR, swing around, return fire, knocking 20 rounds right into the thief's chest.

http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/images/barnom.jpg

bold = ficksed :D

[Blaine B.]

Now you're streatching it!

But I think I see the offender in that sattelite picture.......I swear that's him crossing the street, or it's a spec of dirt.....can't distinguish.