Heads up for those Out-of-Staters who will enjoy in a little libation in the evening

[TRNDRVR]

BYOB!!!!!!!!
Now I am not trying to promote any irresponsible behavior, but the fact of the matter is that some people are going to be doing some drinking (hopefully only) around the campfire in the evening.
With that pointed out, it has to be said that UT has some very STUPID liquor laws. 3.2% beer is all you can get at the supermarket. If you buy beer or other booze at the state run liquor stores, their liquor tax is enormous. Personally I don't know about the hard stuff, but there's a $1.00 - $1.40 per bottle tax on all the beer bought at the liquor store. :eek: I refuse to drink UT beer. :shhh:

Bottom line of this post is this, it might behoove you to stop somewhere else on you way here, or even in your home town, and stock up what you think you'll need for the week. (don't forget about me ;)) Of course this post is only intended for those who will want to know and appreciate this information. Use this info as you see fit. Your call!!!

This has been a friendly Public Service Announcement from a non-native Utahan who adamantly refuses to drink UT beer.

Thanks,
Dan.
PS I hope this post doesn't offend any of the moderators. That's not my intentions.

[Danno]

you are really trying to cadge free beer. Uh huh! Righty!:rolleyes:

[TRNDRVR]

Originally posted by Dan Riggs
you are really trying to cadge free beer. Uh huh! Righty!:rolleyes:

:shhh: :D

Actually I have a friend coming in from WA. this weekend. He's bringing me 5 cases.
But I'll take an offered beer when given for this ever-so-important information. :)

[Mike in NJ]

Way ahead of you there, Loco-man.

Somewhat of a tradition for me to reserve a corner of the cargo area for the primo German stuff for evening refreshment. Besides, this year I really owe Hagen a few due to the transport "glitch" of last year's ride.

16 days till wheels-up!!! :D

Mike in NJ :patriot:

[sidriptide]

i'm gonna bring some local stuff from the Berkshire Brewery and some Magic Hat too..... trade for some other local micro brews???
mike

[TRNDRVR]

Originally posted by sidriptide
trade for some other local micro brews???
mike
I'm game!!
But it won't be local, it will be from the NW. I prefer dark beers if you know of any that's native to your neck of the woods. What do you prefer?
Dan.

[sidriptide]

doesnt have to be local to maob.... the smaller companies usually have some good stuff and dont get nationwide coverage.. i dig a good pale ale myself... i'll also have a few Bass Ale stashed away too...
mike

[Grant]

you guys do know it's illegal to transport liquor across state lines? right? especially UT?

[TRNDRVR]

Originally posted by Grant
you guys do know it's illegal to transport liquor across state lines? right? especially UT?
You're not going to tell are you? ;)
Actually, I couldn't see how if you live out of state that you would not be allowed to bring beer in from your home state for your own consumption. Now as far as people who live in Utah are concerned bringing in liquor from another state, I agree with your statement. But my rebuttal to that is this, they have to catch me first. EVERY beer I drink in the privacy of my own home (and at Moab) is imported from another state.

Out-of-Staters, still heed my advice, BYOB!!!!!

[4ward]

Dan, I've been telling folks this the whole time. Yes, it's illegal to transport alcohol across state lines. Are you gonna get popped for it? I highly doubt it.

I pretty much refuse to buy beer in UT unless I'm at an establishment. Just another reason for me to stop in CO on my way out.

[Kejtar]

LOL...... after this thread I can already see someBarney Pfeif sititng and waiting for XJ's to roll by him LOL....

Kejtar

[Grant]

There is no way in hell I will drink that swill called beer in UT.

We once had the Utah Highway Patrol stop one of the race transporter's for speeding, and the cops were interested in the cars, so the driver opened the trailer and one of the cops noticed two crates of beer we were carrying to California for a commercial shoot. The cop mentioned that he could be a prick and ticket the driver for "carrying alcohol across state lines" - a federal offence I believe. Anyway, he was not a prick, so the driver only got a ticket for speeding.

I think the reason for this is something to do with state taxes on alcohol.

I seriously doubt that the cops would charge you for bringing a few six packs in, but avoid giving them reason to stop you and you won't ever have to test the law.

Purchase your Fat Tire in CO.

[Jes]

I thought it was only illegal to transport alcohol across state lines if it was going to be sold? I thought it was legal if it was for personal consumption.


Jes

[Kejtar]

Smokey and the bandit come to mind :D

[Mike in NJ]

CHW and I had mapped out an alternate back-mesa route into Utah (SW of Grand Junction, coming out on the left bank of the Colorado at Dewey Bridge). Presumably this would avoid the revenooers :rolleyes: lined up at the border crossing on I70 (although I have yet to see a Utah trooper on that stretch).

Of course, this depends upon the existence of at least one out of two mythical "fords" of the Dolores River. Anybody have any local knowledge about these?

If they do exist, I may add a side trip to spice up the Top of the World run.

Mike in NJ :patriot:

[GI-John]

Originally posted by TRNDRVR
I'm game!!
But it won't be local, it will be from the NW. I prefer dark beers if you know of any that's native to your neck of the woods. What do you prefer?
Dan.

Moose Drool......mmm

[Cheropair]

Living on the KS / MO border, and I assume the CO / UT rules are the same - it is a FEDERAL offense to transport alcohol across state lines. Unless there are some local laws also applying to this, only a Federal Agent can give you problems - the local constablatory cannot enforce laws that are not theirs. Similar to local LEO's cannot enforce laws on a military base.

FYI - if there is a stop sign at your local post office, and you roll through it, the local cop does not have authority to ticket you....most people would have paid the fine and been done with it, but that was beer and pizza money to me!

As a general rule, unless you are being stupid or an A-hole, no one will give you any problems - also, be aware that possession of transported alcohol is just as bad as transporting it.....food for thought.

[Grant]

Mike in NJ
It is possible to travel from W CO to Moab on trail the whole way, mostly following the Kokopelli Trail but sometimes the Jeep trail deviates from the bike trail.

The area north of Dewey bridge is also a great place to explore, I love that area.

[4ward]

A long time ago I figured out how to travel from Montrose to Moab without touching pavement. It was a great way to get back from EJS. I only remember the begining of the trail being right before the turn off for fischer towers.

Sean

[Mike in NJ]

Grant - thanks much.

I should have thought about the existence of the Kokopelli. If bikes can make it across, no reason why an XJ couldn't. My topos show two fords across the Dolores, one rather close to the Dewey bridge, and another further upstream (which hooks into the trail that eventually works its way down to Rose Garden Hill).

Just to do something different, we were going to come out of GJ the morning of the 29th and take that way into Utah - the risk was that if the fords were uncrossable, then we had to backtrack pretty far to come into Utah the "normal" way. (Slight problem with the Colorado River being in the way! :) )

Now it seems we're just going to head straight for Slickrock that Monday and when I do some recon during that week for my scheduled Top of the World run, explore the possibilities from the left bank of the Dolores.

BTW, Joe Furlong was going to come that way last year and I was supposed to hook up with him, but we both had to back out of the trip. Since Joe has pretty much been MIA since then, haven't had a chance to compare notes.

Sean: Yup, that turn is the Onion Creek trail which goes up to Rose Garden Hill - and eventually gets to the upper ford. I'm hoping that RG isn't too beat up (it's been a few years for me), I want to take the "easy" riders from my TOW run down RG and back out to 128 along the base of Fisher Towers. Spectacular!

Two weeks from today, we're outta here! :D :D :D

Mike in NJ :patriot:

[ChEwBaCcA]

You guys go about doing things the wrong way....thats why ya have problems! You got to bring 10 cases of Brew and make sure there are at least 2 cases for the cops that stop you!

Its not a bribe, your just going to leave some on the curb as you drive away and then the cops find lost property! The police pick up the lost property and you can do whatever you damn well please...

at least thats the way Ive always conducted business in the city
its always got me far ;-)

Chewy

[sidriptide]

i'm thinkin maybe a false floor to conseal the goods... with a trap door to dump the load if them revenoors get on my trail.... and maybe a black trans am to run as a decoy... maybe i watch too much tv.... maybe i should just shut up and finish my lift.... maybe i need a nap....
mike

[5-90]

I'd have to check (this is a case where ATF has jurisdiction) but I believe it is perfectly legal to transport adult beverages for your own PERSONAL use (and if you happen to trade some away, you are not profiting and a liquor license does not apply) - but this is something to be checked out at atf.treas.gov. I'd do it myself, but I don't drink beer, and I won't be able to make 20th - maybe 25th? Too much going on in Octember, and lack of funds - anything I don't spend on classes or those damned expensive textbooks at De Anza will likely go into the XJ for a few things I'm tossing about...

Again - the key is usually personal use. Since booze isn't at tightly restricted as other things, it shouldn't be too bad.

Bear in mind that ATF has original jurisdiction on these regs, unless the locals have their own laws (something else worth checking.) The only place I've ever known F Troop to be out trolling is major gun shows or Knob Creek - elsewise, they pretty much keep to themselves on issues like this (they get more for firearms busts like ClassIII and no-FFL than they do on booze, plus they have an institutional fear of citizens owning firearms in the first place...) As mentioned, local fuzz isn't in the business of enforcing Federal law, and cannot cite you without clearning it with the Feds in the first place, and receiving persmission to do so from the originating agency (F Troop, USSS, FBI usually.) I can't think of a cop willing to put his number out on NALEMARS for something petty like this, but I don't know for certain...

5-90

(NALEMARS - North America Law Enforcement Mutual Assistance Radio Service - used for interagency co-ordination when the Feds are involved or over "regional" areas. Not to be confused with lesser networks lik CLEMARS in California...)

[EricT]

can I request that PA people bring some Yuengling and I'll bring some Fat Tire, Moose Drool, Trout Slayer and some others.

[Eagle]

Originally posted by TRNDRVR
BYOB!!!!!!!!
Now I am not trying to promote any irresponsible behavior, but the fact of the matter is that some people are going to be doing some drinking (hopefully only) around the campfire in the evening.

At risk of being found out for the Olde Farte that I am, allow me to make a point for the benefit of non-NAXJA members (and new members) who will be attending this event: NAXJA regulations strictly prohibit consumption of alcohol during and before the trail rides. This regulation will be enforced by the safety committee, Directors in attendance, and trail leaders.

This is both a safety and a public relations issue (we don't want to play into the hands of the eco-Nazis who love to portray all off-roaders as drunken louts). Please observe the rules and don't force us to make an issue of it at the event.

[TRNDRVR]

Originally posted by TRNDRVR
BYOB!!!!!!!!
Now I am not trying to promote any irresponsible behavior, but the fact of the matter is that some people are going to be doing some drinking (hopefully only) around the campfire in the evening.


Originally posted by Eagle
At risk of being found out for the Olde Farte that I am, allow me to make a point for the benefit of non-NAXJA members (and new members) who will be attending this event: NAXJA regulations strictly prohibit consumption of alcohol during and before the trail rides. This regulation will be enforced by the safety committee, Directors in attendance, and trail leaders.

This is both a safety and a public relations issue (we don't want to play into the hands of the eco-Nazis who love to portray all off-roaders as drunken louts). Please observe the rules and don't force us to make an issue of it at the event.

With you on your post Eagle.
I hope you understand what I truly meant in my original post. Highlighted above is is the true meaning of it.
Thanks,
Dan.

[ChiXJeff]

Originally posted by Eagle
At risk of being found out for the Olde Farte that I am, allow me to make a point for the benefit of non-NAXJA members (and new members) who will be attending this event: NAXJA regulations strictly prohibit consumption of alcohol during and before the trail rides. This regulation will be enforced by the safety committee, Directors in attendance, and trail leaders.

This is both a safety and a public relations issue (we don't want to play into the hands of the eco-Nazis who love to portray all off-roaders as drunken louts). Please observe the rules and don't force us to make an issue of it at the event.

Hey! Scoot over, make room for me you Olde Farte!

Eagle, your concern is definitely warranted. And my g/f who made the trip with me last year (her first time off-roading) had the same concern. Late one afternoon at SlickRock, she heard someone ask another if they wanted to go do a quick Moab Rim run. He replied, "No, I'm more interested in a beer now, that'll have to wait for tomorrow." She is much less concerned with this club's activities than with some others.

Me, I don't consume alcohol when I'm 'wheeling, working with power tools, or programming. I know what it does to me, and it doesn't help.

[XJRubicon]

....I hear bringing alcohol into utah from another state is a felony....:doh:

[TRNDRVR]

Originally posted by XJRubicon
....I hear bringing alcohol into utah from another state is a felony....:doh: I guess that makes me a felon. ;)
Still, bring your own beer.
You'll not like what you get here. Trust me!!!

[CRASH]

Is BudLight considered beer?

I see that as being sort of borderline, as I have to budget at least 4 per hour just to get going.........

CRASH

[bigjoe]

Grant is right it is illeagal. It is not ok wether it's personal use or not. People travel to Wyoming from Utah to by the "good stuff" and the UHP are constantly looking for this.
I had my dad, from Montana, try to put an 18 pack in the back of my jeep as a nice reimbursment for the beer I bought him without me knowing about it. Well........when I crossed the state line a trooper who saw nothing but a lifted jeep and who admitted that he thought it would be an easy ticket stopped me. I wasn't speeding or doing anything wrong. When he walked up to my jeep the only thing he could find was the mud flaps that I had taken off in Montana because the snow and ice were causing them to hang down into the rear tires and the tires were catching them and flipping them up almost tearing off my bushwackers. Anyway, just to prove that I actually had the mud flaps I told the officer I would show him. I opened the back of the jeep and started looking for them when he said, "where did you get the Budweiser?" First of all I was shocked to see an 18 pack of Bud sitting on top of the dog kennel and second my mouth knew exactly where it came from....Good ol' pops. So's my mouth says Montana and before I realized I had just done something wrong the officer starts to read me the riot act on transporting alcohol across the state line. So......transport at your own risk. By the way I did recieve a warning ticket for my actions.
Joe

[woody]

Gee Whiz

Just be discreet while transporting your party favors and ya 'should' have no problems. Cops are like most humans in regards to taking the path of least resistance and picking the low hanging fruit. Ex: ever been ticketed for a moving violation in a downpour or when it's 20*F outside? If one is in blatant violation of a local law, like mudflaps in UT, that only opens the door for the LEO to find other loose ends.

In the (8) NAXJA runs I've participated in, drivers boozing on the trail has never been a problem, and I don't expect any this time either.

I dunno if it's just a local NC ordinance, but individual possesion of more than 9 cases and 9 cans of beer, or 7l IIRC liquor (without a permit from the ABC) is considered possesion with intent to sell... more of a Tax issue than anything. A M/C club I was a member of had 13 cases of beer seized by the local PD due to violation of this. Damn Revenooers.

[bigjoe]

You're right Woody, it's all about the taxes. If anyone knows anything about taxes it's the state of Utah. Nice place to live and to do some awesome 4-wheelin' but they tax the h*** out of you.

[Kejtar]

So speaking theoretically... who would be willing to bring a 6 pack of fat tire in exchange for some ((theoretical :D) port?? Port is a drak strong bitter beer made in a place far far away across the ocean where they know how to make beer right :D
Let me know... as I like to get all my ducks in a row ahead of time. Btw, what other goodies are there along the way that others have (PM me) as I like theoretizing and calculating how much I would theoretically need to bring with me :D for some theoretical exchanges

Kejtar

[Tom R.]

Originally posted by Kejtar
...who would be willing to bring a 6 pack of fat tire in exchange for some port?? Port is a drak strong bitter beer made in a place far far away across the ocean where they know how to make beer right :D


Why would you want to give up good brew--from a place that knows how to make great brew no less--for Fat Tire? I tried it while I was in Colorado and thought it was awful. I think there's just a lot of hype regarding Fat Tire, that's all.

Oh, if I can get a six pack for you I'll certainly take that port off your hands. :)

Tom

[bigjoe]

I'm definitely bringing a six pack of Fat Tire bargaining brew for some of that "good stuff".

[Jes]

What's the big deal with Fat Tire? I think it's pretty good and I can get it at my local Safeway, isn't it available eveywhere?

Jes

[Kejtar]

Originally posted by Tom R.
Oh, if I can get a six pack for you I'll certainly take that port off your hands. :)


I gather that you can bring the fat tire :) Anyways... why??? well cause everyone is so raving about it.... So in any case..... I'll have a 6 pack of port waiting for you.

Kejtar

[brent]

it is against the law to bring it into the state without "proclaiming" it, which means you have to pay a dollar a bottle, and they give you a cute little stamp for your bottle, so don't get cought. and if they ask if they can look inside, or if you mind them having a look. the answer is, and always should be, no. but not just no, Hell No. and you don't have to let them. now on the other hand if they have probable cause, or you do something so they can articulate that they have probable cause, they are going to look anyway.


Brent (12 hours of class and one practical test away from becoming POST certifiable) aka: borton



:rolleyes: now if I could only get a job :(

[Tom R.]

Originally posted by Kejtar
I gather that you can bring the fat tire :) Anyways... why??? well cause everyone is so raving about it.... So in any case..... I'll have a 6 pack of port waiting for you.

Kejtar

I'll check availability in my area and let you know.

Tom

[Kejtar]

Please do as if you can't get it... I will have to find another kind soul that's willing to play "smokey and the bandit" :D

[Hagen]

I´m game for any Real Beer Testing......
Since I`m bringing my family this time, we will have a higher allowance of "THE JUICE".

Enjoy.Enjoy.

Hagen

[ChEwBaCcA]

lol @ Hagen , that was some damn good juice!

Cant wait till Moab..........

Chewbacca

[TRNDRVR]

Originally posted by Hagen
I´m game for any Real Beer Testing......

Man oh man!!!!:eek:

I can see the headlines now;

"Renegade Group of XJ'ers Rounded up in Moab Participating in an Illegal Beer Tasting Party"

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: