IC Shop Day May 19th

[Tom R.]

The next round of the Intermountain Chapter Shop Days starts this Saturday, November 11th. Jerry (grandpaxj) is the teacher in the automotive shop at Box Elder High School in Brigham City and has graciously arranged this for IC members as an Adult Continuing Education class.

In order to meet school requirements and offset the cost of electricity, water and consumables, a fee must be paid to participate. The cost is $50.00 for 4 sessions, of which $40 goes to the school and the remaining $10 goes to support our chapter. Each session will be 4 hours long, from 11am to 3pm, which breaks down to a mere $3.00 an hour. We need at least 6 people to participate.

You must supply your own parts. Keep in mind that Jerry is able to get significant discounts on aftermarket lifts, tires and performance parts to IC members. Please contact him directly regarding these discounts. The shop is very well equipped to handle most tasks that can be accomplished in 4 hours.

Even if you don’t need to work on your rig we still encourage you to attend and help out others. This is a great opportunity to use this valuable resource and meet other IC members.

Click this link (http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?latlongtype=internal&addtohistory=&latitude=nNVYGB0PgBVVFcqnxpYzgQ%3d%3d&longitude=s3jpDKH9KOxFJGRgra05DA%3d%3d&name=Box%20Elder%20High%20School&country=US&address=380%20S%20600%20W&city=Brigham%20City&state=UT&zipcode=84302&phone=435%2d734%2d4840&spurl=0&&q=Rigdemont%20high%20school&qc=Schools%20%28K%2d12%29) for directions.
Go down 200 South, cross over Box Elder Blvd, and make a left after the first building. You'll make an immediate left into the fenced in compound.

[grandpaxj]

We had a good turn out and lots of work got done. There is still room for a couple more people if you would like to participate. the next shop day is Dec. 9 th. at 11:00 am. to 3:00 pm. Jerry

[Tom R.]

...and lots of work got done.
Yep, I did lots of work but didn't accomplish anything. :doh: :)

BTW Jerry, as of now the 9th doesn't look good for me, but that may change. I won't know until that week. I may take you up on the offer to come up on November 21st. You said the 22nd was open as well, right?

[luv2offroad]

Tom.

I guess that means your drop arm project never got done? Sorry to hear that.

[Tom R.]

Yeah, I experienced fitment issues and 4 hours wasn't enough time.

[DaveW]

Yeah, I experienced fitment issues and 4 hours wasn't enough time.
What type of fitmet issues. I'm looking at install the RE drop brakets soon.

[Tom R.]

The bracket arm that ties in the main drop bracket with the old upper control arm bolt didn't line up. Part of the problem was likely due to the lack of sufficient space to accurately drill out the existing UCA holes in a level manner. The drill bit wasn't long enough to drill out the inner bolt hole from the outside.

The upper bolt hole on the bracket arm is slotted to account for some variance, but I had to open mine up a bit more using a dremel. That took a little time. Now that I think about it, I should have used my dremel to open up the inner UCA bolt hole instead of drilling it at somewhat of an angle.

The other issue is the main drop bracket didn't fit flush into the old LCA pocket. The welded joints on the drop bracket need to be ground flush.

None of this is over the top, but things I learned as I went along. 4 hours just wasn't enough time. Next time I should get twice as far in half the time.

[Geepfreak]

The bracket arm that ties in the main drop bracket with the old upper control arm bolt didn't line up. Part of the problem was likely due to the lack of sufficient space to accurately drill out the existing UCA holes in a level manner. The drill bit wasn't long enough to drill out the inner bolt hole from the outside.

The upper bolt hole on the bracket arm is slotted to account for some variance, but I had to open mine up a bit more using a dremel. That took a little time. Now that I think about it, I should have used my dremel to open up the inner UCA bolt hole instead of drilling it at somewhat of an angle.

The other issue is the main drop bracket didn't fit flush into the old LCA pocket. The welded joints on the drop bracket need to be ground flush.

None of this is over the top, but things I learned as I went along. 4 hours just wasn't enough time. Next time I should get twice as far in half the time.


I guess when I posted up about the amount of time, I should have mentioned that you need an 18" drill bit...

[luv2offroad]

By the way, the administrator for ILJ has a pretty extensive write up on how to do this install.

http://www.ilovejeeps.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11577

[TRNDRVR]

Jerry,

PM or post an address, and who you want this check made out to, and I'll send you a check to cover the sixth spot for shop days. Please let me know. I'd hate to see this great opportunity go away just because you're lacking one person’s payment.

Thanks,
Dan.

[grandpaxj]

Thanks Dan for your Support. I sent you a pm with the address. Jerry:yelclap:

[XJumpmaster]

Jerry,
During the spring session, can I pull my trailer up to swap axles.(of course after paying for the sessions) LOL

[grandpaxj]

How much time do you think it would take? I have a fork lift and a large A frame with twin hoists. I picked up my trailer and put it upside down to make work eaiser. I would think you could get it done. Jerry

[XJumpmaster]

It is a tent trailer so turning it upside down is out, but it should only take a few hours.

Thanks, Josh

[SCW]

hmmmm, what are you doing with the old axles? I've been looking for an axle for quite some time to build a small trailer around.

[XJumpmaster]

If you want it you can have it! It is sprung under, solid shaft, no brakes, for 4 lug tires.

It is actually cheaper to have an axle built to specs for lift than to do it myself with shackles and springs. LOL

[SCW]

I'll think about it, I really don't want a 4-lug, I want the same size and spacing as the Jeep. I'm just not sure if it's worth the $$ for that spacing. Let me know when you're ready.

[XJumpmaster]

Hopefully before IC on the Rocks II or whatever we're gonna call our trip to Moab in the spring.

[DrMoab]

Whats the next official Day? I will change the date in this post to keep current of the dates if someone will let me know.

Thanks.

[luv2offroad]

December 9th

[TRNDRVR]

Jerry,

Make sure someone utilizes my spot, I'll be in Grand Junction this weekend. :(

Thanks,
Dan.

[xjblue]

whoever will be there tomorrow, we'll see ya in the morning.

[XJEEPER]

wishing I was there........instead of sanding and painting trim in my office......sigh

[Tom R.]

I finally got the control arm lowering kit installed, though between the first shop day and today I used up all my shop time. :)

What a pain in the rear it was! Bump steer and general wandering are noticeably reduced, as are the jars from bumps in the road. I also noticed less nose-dive when braking. The fit wasn't exactly good, but I understand there are variances between XJs. Knowing what I know now I kind of wished I had opted for the long arms.......I think.

Thanks to Jared for the help.......couldn't have done it without you (at least without Jerry killing me). :)

[xjblue]

I finally got the control arm lowering kit installed, though between the first shop day and today I used up all my shop time. :)

Thanks to Jared for the help.......couldn't have done it without you (at least without Jerry killing me). :)


anytime Tom, I learned some tricks from you for re-attaching control arms. Shop days are so worth it.

[grandpaxj]

you did good with all you had to do Tom. sometimes jobs take longer than we think. Jerry

[Tom R.]

Next work day I want to swap my engine. You game? :roll:

[TRNDRVR]

When's the next one?

[grandpaxj]

Next shop days will be on the 20 th. of Jan. Jerry

[DrMoab]

Next shop days will be on the 20 th. of Jan. Jerry
Cool. I will change the date.

[DaveW]

I finally got the control arm lowering kit installed, though between the first shop day and today I used up all my shop time. :)

What a pain in the rear it was! Bump steer and general wandering are noticeably reduced, as are the jars from bumps in the road. I also noticed less nose-dive when braking. The fit wasn't exactly good, but I understand there are variances between XJs. Knowing what I know now I kind of wished I had opted for the long arms.......I think.

Thanks to Jared for the help.......couldn't have done it without you (at least without Jerry killing me). :)


So Tom, how much lift do you have?
Are you satified with it or are you thinking the longarms would have been a much better option?

[Tom R.]

I have 6" of lift.

I really don't know if the long arms would be worth it as I've never experienced them. I already had the adjustable LCAs and UCAs, so the drop brackets were cheaper for me at this stage.

So far I'm happy with the results. It isn't as much of a positve change as I expected, but certainly better than short arms with no drop. I still need to dial in my caster, so hopefully the change will be even better.

[grandpaxj]

Long arms are so worth it!!!!!!!!!!:yelclap:

[MATTVW65]

If you want it you can have it! It is sprung under, solid shaft, no brakes, for 4 lug tires.

It is actually cheaper to have an axle built to specs for lift than to do it myself with shackles and springs. LOL

when you get it removed. i would love to put it to good use.

you still have it


jerry your pm box is full :rattle: pm me :callme:

[XJumpmaster]

I'll let you know when it gets closer.

[MATTVW65]

I'll let you know when it gets closer.


cool.....

[Tom R.]

Okay, only a few more days before the next (third) shop day. Who's coming? Anyone coming to help, just watch, or otherwise taunt those of us who plan to work on our rigs? :)

[SCW]

I'll be there with projects in hand. One project (booster replacement) may be at the edge of the 4-hr minimum so if anyone is around that can help it would be appreciated.

[luv2offroad]

I'll be there to help. I don't have anything that's broken to fix. Thanks to Pep Boys for doing my starter motor AGAIN!!!!!!! But I'll be glad to lend a not-very-experienced hand to anyone else.

[xjblue]

I'm so there, new tires to Install! (even if I have to stop every 5 miles to scrape the windshield, so cold last Sat. the blower fan froze up.)

[DrMoab]

I'm so there, new tires to Install! (even if I have to stop every 5 miles to scrape the windshield, so cold last Sat. the blower fan froze up.)
what kind of tires you buy? Any bigger?

[MTNTECH]

I might show up, got a small attaching project or I could just help someone out. Should we bring any tools or are the all supplied?

[grandpaxj]

Heated shop, tools and equipment supplied

[DaveW]

I have a set of drop bracket that need installed.....



I here there is some experience with them.

[Tom R.]

I have a set of drop bracket that need installed.....

I here there is some experience with them.
I have a long list of things I've got to get done, but if you run into a problem during the install I will certainly help out.

To help prepare and save a little time before actually starting the work, check all of the welds on the parts that will mate up with other parts of the brackets (e.g., main bracket to support braces). Grind any large weld beads flush so the parts fit better.

[SCW]

I think he was teasing. I could tell because he was using his teasing font, I didn't recognize that font at first and wasted 45 minutes trying to scan a picture by holding it up to the screen. But I figured it out in the end. He's teasing.

[MoabXJeeper]

Well at least NOW I know where I should have been today... :(

[DaveW]

I have a long list of things I've got to get done, but if you run into a problem during the install I will certainly help out.

To help prepare and save a little time before actually starting the work, check all of the welds on the parts that will mate up with other parts of the brackets (e.g., main bracket to support braces). Grind any large weld beads flush so the parts fit better.
Shouldn't have that problem, these are used.

I did have to drill a new hole and widen another on the braces as I have a manual tranny and the cross member is farther forward. Got one side on and found that I could not get my control arm to fit. They look to have been pulled tighter from the first install. So took the bracket off and wedged some scrap metal in to spread the side a bit. If this odoes work I'll have to touch up the paint again. Good thing it can sit in the garage for a bit.

The jeep has been sitting outside. Apparently a fair amount of ice had built up behind the plastic in the fenders. It was not so fun having the ice melt and drip on me the whole time. :(

[xjblue]

Pics from the December shop day.

Tow rigs welcome....airbag install
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/xjblue/Intermountain%20Chapter/icshop1206_2.jpg

Commuters too....oil change etc, and Tom's infamous drop bracket install
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/xjblue/Intermountain%20Chapter/icshop1206_3.jpg

New exhaust going in
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/xjblue/Intermountain%20Chapter/icshop1206_4.jpg

[xjblue]

Pics from the last shop day.

Making good use of the lift
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/xjblue/Intermountain%20Chapter/icshop0107_1.jpg

Ditto
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/xjblue/Intermountain%20Chapter/icshop0107_2.jpg

Tom and Jerry's rigs
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/xjblue/Intermountain%20Chapter/icshop0107_3.jpg

Bumper jack came in handy for a tire swap
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/xjblue/Intermountain%20Chapter/icshop0107_4.jpg

Old vs New, shop day benifits
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/xjblue/Intermountain%20Chapter/icshop0107_5.jpg

[DrMoab]

Who's Jeep is this?

Was it at Cutrubus Yesterday about noon?

Also when is the next shop day? I will get the date changed.

[ROOK1]

Who's Jeep is this?

Was it at Cutrubus Yesterday about noon?

Also when is the next shop day? I will get the date changed.

I think it belongs to invisible man. :D

What Jeep are you talking about?

[SCW]

Who's Jeep is this?

Was it at Cutrubus Yesterday about noon?

Also when is the next shop day? I will get the date changed.


The blue on getting tires is Jared's. The green behind it on the rack is mine. Black is Jerry's, other green one is Toms. Not pictured is the other Tom's (MtnTech) Jeep.

[DrMoab]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/xjblue/Intermountain%20Chapter/icshop0107_1.jpg

This one.

[grandpaxj]

Bob Jackson, bjack on the board

[grandpaxj]

thanks Jared for the pics. I'm thinking of Feburary the 24 for the next shop day, is there any other suggestions for a date??? Matt and Steve do you get your ARB'S IN YET Jerry

[XJBANKER]

Not yet, I am still waiting for my air manifold to get here for my compressor set up. Also I should know a week from Friday if I am going to get a front ARB or not. I would like to get the compressor all set up and all of the air lines run so when I install the lockers they can be plugged in and ready to go. Maybe we could do the rear on the 24th if you think there would be enough time.

[MTNTECH]

thanks Jared for the pics. I'm thinking of Feburary the 24 for the next shop day, is there any other suggestions for a date??? Matt and Steve do you get your ARB'S IN YET Jerry

I got to work Feb 24, any way we could move it to Feb 17 or March 3rd?

[Tom R.]

The earlier the better.

[grandpaxj]

the 10th I'm at winter national's drag racing at Pomona Calif. the 17 th(3 day weekend) St. George with ATV's, Feb 24 th open, March 3 rd. Phoenix , March 10 & 17 open. March 31-April 8 th. MOAB. :woohoo: :party: Jerry

[XJBANKER]

24th sounds good, I PM'd you some questions.

[Brad M.]

Tom and Jerry's rigs
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/xjblue/Intermountain%20Chapter/icshop0107_3.jpg



Anyone else find this caption somewhat comical? Or am I the only saturday-morning-cartoon-watching 80's kid here? :D BTW, thanks for posting the pics Jared. That shop looks so warm and toasty and inviting...

[Tom R.]

Alrighty then......the 24th sounds like the plan.

[Tom R.]

Jerry, can you firm up the date please? Thanks.

[XJEEPER]

Just talked to Jerry about an hour ago, he's at the NHRA Winter Nationals in Pomona this weekend.

[ROOK1]

Ryan or someone. Will you change the thread title to read February 24th?

[DrMoab]

Ryan or someone. Will you change the thread title to read February 24th?
Has it been comfirmed by Jerry yet? Soon as he lets me know it will be done.

[grandpaxj]

The 24 th of Feb. is just fine for the next shop day. I haven't heard from any members of a different date. Jerry

[DrMoab]

The 24 th of Feb. is just fine for the next shop day. I haven't heard from any members of a different date. Jerry
Got it switched.

I might make an appearance at this next one. I think its one of the very few Saturdays I have off.

[JeeperG]

Just out of curiosity Jerry do you know my uncle? He is the Autoshop/Autobody teacher at Ogden High School.

[XJBANKER]

Anyone want to help me install my ARB in the rear 8.25
Compressor and wiring should all be installed and ready to go by the 24th.

[grandpaxj]

shop day is tommorrow feb. 24 11:00am to 3 pm. WHO IS COMMING?:sunshine:

[XJumpmaster]

I had planned on coming up, but my heep is still at Six States!

[luv2offroad]

I'm sorry to say that you will all have to do without my automotive technical expertise for the day :roflmao: I have been very sick for the past week. I'll make the day up on a future shop day.

[grandpaxj]

if no one is comming I guess I''ll stay home??????????????

[SCW]

I can't make it either. We just bought a house and I have to get mine painted and ready to sell. I hate painting.


I really hate painting.


And moving.



I really hate moving.

[grandpaxj]

I'll be there. we have a few showing up.

[Clint]

Jerry, do you have the expirience in doing gears in big trucks? (IE 3/4 ton).

[MATTVW65]

ill be there

[Tom R.]

I'm definitely coming up!

[xjblue]

See you there, got to lift the front a tad and tuck the axle in a little better, maybe try to DIY toe in correction too.

[grandpaxj]

Yesterday was the last day of this session, with only three months before SUMMER, I have had some request for one more session. To give a short recap of this last one, members bought and or installed just some of the following; 7 lockers, 4 set of R&P's, 3 air compressors, 4 set MTR's, rims, shocks, 2 long arm lift kits, etc. I'm considering a 3 Saturday session ( march,april,may) for $40.00, hours are 11:00am to 3:00 pm each day. I need at least six paying people to have a session. WHO IS INTERESTED???????:)

[Israel]

Now that I have a job again, I'M IN!!!

[Tom R.]

You know I'm in!

[XJumpmaster]

I'm in!

[Brad M.]

Jerry, since I just paid you the $50 shop fee when I ordered my ARB and R&P would that count towards these next sessions? If so count me in.

[justme]

Michael and I would like to attend.

[luv2offroad]

I'm always willing to throw in my technical experticeness. he-he Besides, my jeeps long over due for something to break on it.

[MoabXJeeper]

Where do I send my money Jerry? I need to install an ARB, 4:56 gears, onboard air, and a couple MTR's. And if I get all that done I need to put on some Bushwhackers too. I need to have the ARB and gears before Spring Fling if at all possible!

[Tom R.]

Going by my timeline I'd say you can all of those tasks done in half a shop day. :shhh:

[grandpaxj]

Thomas, that was FUNNY:laugh:

[MoabXJeeper]

Ok...whatever but consider me in. I need to get hold of you Jerry to find out where to send money and how I order parts.

[justme]

Can any of you guys that are coming, help/supervise Michael while he installs rocksliders?

[climbon]

Hey, I got a LCA bracket torn off my front axle on the right side. Is this something I can fix at the Shop day? I was planning on buying HD brackets and putting two new ones on. Thx

[grandpaxj]

we have plasma cutters, torch and wire feed welders which makes that kind of work easy. Jerry

[DrMoab]

I will be there....Either with the Give a way jeep or my own.

[Clint]

I will be there....Either with the Give a way jeep or my own.


You might be working on my truck that weekend....

[DrMoab]

You might be working on my truck that weekend....
Hey, that was never part of the deal. I don't mind dragging your butt to Phoniex but I never said anything about working on the truck. :D

Ok actually I did but it won't be that Sat....I need to go to Brigham and its TJs birthday party that afternoon.

[justme]

Michael and I will be there with our projects. If there are any changes to the March 24th date, please let us know! Thanks!

[Israel]

So how do we pay anyway?

[justme]

Looking forward to this Saturday in Brigham City. If there are any changes please let us know!

[grandpaxj]

There is no changes, we are having one more session $40.00 for 3 shop days at the high school. the time is 11:00 am to 3:00 pm. the doors close at 3:00. can I please get a head count one more time. thank you Jerry

[DrMoab]

There is no changes, we are having one more session $40.00 for 3 shop days at the high school. the time is 11:00 am to 3:00 pm. the doors close at 3:00. can I please get a head count one more time. thank you Jerry
Count this head.

[MoabXJeeper]

I'll be there, I need to align my front end and put two new MTR's on the front.

[XJumpmaster]

I will be there even if the Heep isn't.

[luv2offroad]

I'm hoping to be there. Still trying to get over my never ending bought of bronchitis.

[Israel]

I'll be there.

[Tom R.]

I'll be there

[MTNTECH]

I'll be there, looking for ideals on how to install my OBA.

[Brad M.]

I'll be there. Who's working on their own junk and who's gonna be there just for fun?

[XJumpmaster]

If my heeps done, I'll be fixing and installing tow hooks and brackets.

[xjblue]

I'm afraid I'll be stuck with 2 vehicles worth of safety and IM inspections this Saturday.

[justme]

Michael and I will be there. I'm hoping to get my front end fixed, and Michael will be installing his new rock sliders.

[luv2offroad]

Sorry guys, once again you will have to do without my technical expertise. ;) I know you are all going to miss me but I'm still dealing with this now 6 week old cold/bronchitis.

[Mrs Moab]

Ryan wanted me to post that he's not going to be able to make it. He's ended up out on the road, on his days off, and he's not going to make it home in time.

[Israel]

I'm still planning on being there! :D

[luv2offroad]

Well, turns out that even if I had planned to come I couldn't. Darn thing won't start again. Man, it's a good thing I have towing coverage on my insurance. She's now sitting at the repair shop AGAIN!!!

[DrMoab]

Well, turns out that even if I had planned to come I couldn't. Darn thing won't start again. Man, it's a good thing I have towing coverage on my insurance. She's now sitting at the repair shop AGAIN!!!
You need to quit taking it to shops and let one of us help you.

Shops see a female come in and they get $$$ signs in their eyes.

[luv2offroad]

Yes, but when it doesn't even start and I haven't a clue as to what is wrong with it, I have no way to get it somewhere but have it towed. So I have it towed to the local auto repair shop of the day. And unfortunately, it happens to be my only means of transportation. :( So waiting for it to get fixed is not always an option.

FYI -- they replaced the battery cable ends. Duh! My next investment will be a closed cell battery. This open cell battery and all the corrosion has been a curse to me.

[Israel]

Well, I'm a loser. I didn't make it after all. I was planning on bringing the ZJ up to install a 3" exhaust I already have parts for but the coolant temperature gauge wouldn't work this morning. Makes a guy awefully nervous when he doesn't know if the motor he just finished dropping in is running too hot or not! Would it be too late to come next time and register?

[MTNTECH]

Another great time at the IC Shop Day, thanks Jerry. Couldn't ask for a better shop or host. The upper O2 is working good and the OBA now has a plan of attack for install.

[xjblue]

FYI -- they replaced the battery cable ends. Duh! My next investment will be a closed cell battery. This open cell battery and all the corrosion has been a curse to me.

Ahh, Just pick up one of these next time you wander near an auto parts store. http://www.shopping.com/xPC-Wilmar-Terminal-Cleaner. These are handy to have too. http://www.shopping.com/xPC-Battery_Terminal_Puller_KD202
A bit of vasaline after cleaning helps them stay free of corrosion longer.

[justme]

Hey Dr. Moab: Thanks so much for the parts! I REALLY appreciate them! It was very considerate of you to make the arrangements to get them up there for me!
XJumpmaster, Morty'sXJ, & grandpaxj: thank you guys so much for all the work of installing and adjusting that tie rod! I mostly stood there holding parts and looking stupid, but I watched closely, & feel like I learned alot from you guys. Thanks for answering all my questions. I'm looking forward to the next shop day to learn more, and hopefully be able to help somebody else. THANKS!!!

And... Michael sure appreciated all the help from Mtntech, XJumpmaster and grandpaxj with installing his Rock Sliders. It sure was great to meet everybody. THANKS!!!

[MoabXJeeper]

It was really good to meet all those I hadnt met in person before. I need to have a better plan of action for the next shop day. I am thinking maybe installing OBA if I havent done it already or maybe putting a K&N filter on so I can get rid of my air box and make room for OBA, or more likely both. I decided MTR's are nice and quiet compared to my Les Schwab tires and my heep tracks SO much better now!

[XJumpmaster]

Jerry was talking that the nest shop day will probably be April 21. Just in time for Moab!

[grandpaxj]

I'm glad that every one had a good time, it is always good to see every one working and helping each other. we will have to do pizza next time.:party:

[Brad M.]

My first shop days experience was fun and I learned a lot. Thanks Jerry for letting us do this and for all your help with my little brake line inicident. :D

It was great to meet everyone... Leann, Michael, Josh, Von, Tom (hope I didn't forget anyone), good to put faces to screen names.

[DrMoab]

Jerry...give me definate date and I will change the thread.

[grandpaxj]

We can have it on the 21 st if that meets with most every body needs????I need to hear from those that are attending. Jerry

[Brad M.]

As of right now that works for me, count me in...

[XJumpmaster]

Is good for me!

[luv2offroad]

works for me

[justme]

Michael and I will be there

[Tom R.]

I plan to be there

[MoabXJeeper]

Count me in too. I need to tap some bolt holes to install a receiver hitch so I can have a rear tow point.

[grandpaxj]

Von, your R&P is here at my shop. Jerry

[justme]

Hey GrandpaXJ: Michaels steering column is very loose. Is this a "do-able" project for the workshop, or is it way too involved? If it is do-able, what parts would we need? Whattayathink about the idea?

[DrMoab]

Hey GrandpaXJ: Michaels steering column is very loose. Is this a "do-able" project for the workshop, or is it way too involved? If it is do-able, what parts would we need? Whattayathink about the idea?
Ha! I have this problem too. Had someone tell me you can take them apart and tighten the bolts.

I would not suggest this since I never got to the bottom of all the bolts and it took me over 4 hours to get it back together.

I am just going to throw another column in from Stinky I and call it good.

[XJumpmaster]

Jerry, Sent you a pm. Just wondering if this is conducive or if I need to wait till shop day to order.
thanks,
Josh
:callme:

[grandpaxj]

Soooooo, who is comming this Saturday for SHOP DAY and what do you have planned???

[Tom R.]

I want to play.

I don't know yet what I plan to do...likely redo the valve cover gasket. And I need to inspect the wire harness to the computer for chaffing and inspect the ECM itself. Maybe mess with toe again just because it's become habit. :laugh2:

[MoabXJeeper]

I will be there. I need to swap the wheel on my spare for the wheel on my front drivers side. I am also going to work at getting a trailer hitch installed. Josh (Xjumpmaster) is going to help me straighten my front tow hook bracket.

[luv2offroad]

I'll be there. Jerry -- is it possible that someone could help me do the following to my brakes? They squeak really bad but the tire store says the brakes are fine.

Well the squeaking while you coast could be a number of things not brake related, but if it is brake related i recommend wirebrushing the knuckle mounting ledges for the brake pads and lightly greasing them. That cured my similar problem (if the ledges aren't smooth the pad will get hung up on them)

The squeak when you let off the brakes i'd also bet money on being the rear drums. There are grease points indicated in the FSM where the shoes rubs against the mounting plate......i imagine yours are a little dry. I used to have this "problem" when i had drums, but i got tired of them and just put on zj discs.

But, there are a ton of possibilies here

[MTNTECH]

Won't make it this time, work day for me.

[DaveW]

My bad luck with shop days is still holding... have to be working that weekend.

[Brad M.]

Jerry, I'm planning on coming. Just be doing simple things like fluid changes and brake lines, since I haven't had a chance to do those yet.

[justme]

Michael and I will be there. We are coming to watch, learn, and hopefully help with what we can. The only thing my jeep needs is the new seatbelt installed. See ya Saturday!

[XJumpmaster]

I'm not gonna be able to make it now. I've got too much "honey dos" around the house this weekend before Moab. Sorry Von, I'm sure Jerry can show ya how to straighten that tow hook bracket.

[MoabXJeeper]

I'm not gonna be able to make it now. I've got too much "honey dos" around the house this weekend before Moab. Sorry Von, I'm sure Jerry can show ya how to straighten that tow hook bracket.

awwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :(

[justme]

Hey Mr. GrandpaXJ; We picked up a teeny weeny pop up tent trailer to pull behind Mikes jeep. We'd like to flip the axle on it to raise it up a bit and put larger wheels on (it has 8" wheels now). Would this be a worthy project for the next shop day, or does it have to be work on the XJs only? Thanks

[justme]

What is the date for the May Shop Day?

[stewie]

I would love to know the dates for the May shopDay. I was given good fortune by the tax refund jeep gods and got a set of 4.56 gears for my 30 and 8.25.:cheers:

the only problem is the wife went and took the rest of the money and bought a car with it!:bawl: now i have no more $$ for install. im hoping there is someone who can assist with a gear install for beer (if disired) and pizza.

so far i have the gears, and master install kits. i still need a new carrier for the D30 as its going from 3.55 to 4.56. i will also transfer over my aussie from the old carrier to the new.

here is what i have
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[DrMoab]

Stewie you will never have enough time in one shop day to do both sets of gears. I would plan on at least two full days to do it.

[grandpaxj]

What Ryan said for advive to you is correct, it would take at least 7 hours for a good mechanic to change both R&Ps and correctly set them up, thats with no problems. The average repair shop would charge 5.5 hours for the rear and 7 hours for the front. Next shop days is May 19th, Ryan would you please post that date thanks, Jerry. Also the next shop day session will be in the Fall and we'll put up a post in late summer. THANK YOU TO ALL CLUB MEMBERS WHO CAME TO SHOP DAYS, I hope you had fun.

[DrMoab]

Got-er-done Jerry. Thanks for all you do.

[grandpaxj]

So, I would like to get a count on who is comming that day and what they have planned on doing that day????? Please let me know. thanks Jerry:party: school is almost out and CUB RIVER is calling MEEEEEEEEE

[Tom R.]

Me.

Prolly replace the valve cover gasket

[xjblue]

Me, nothing planned yet.

[justme]

So, I would like to get a count on who is comming that day and what they have planned on doing that day????? Please let me know. thanks Jerry:party: school is almost out and CUB RIVER is calling MEEEEEEEEE


Michael & I want to flip the axles on the tent trailer in time for the Vernal trip. We will be there...

[Brad M.]

I was really looking forward to one more shop day, but unfortunately have a family commitment that day.

[MoabXJeeper]

I should be there. Not really sure what I am going to work on but could maybe check the balance on all four tires to make sure they are still in.

[DaveW]

Michael & I want to flip the axles on the tent trailer in time for the Vernal trip. We will be there...
Make sure you can flip the axle. Some have an bow in the axle so when weight is added the tires have the correct camber. You may need to weld on new spring perches to spring over the axle.

[justme]

Make sure you can flip the axle. Some have an bow in the axle so when weight is added the tires have the correct camber. You may need to weld on new spring perches to spring over the axle.

If I were to send a photo of them, would you be able to tell if that is the case with this trailer?

[DaveW]

If I were to send a photo of them, would you be able to tell if that is the case with this trailer?

Just look at the axle. If it is bowed upwards then you will need to put on new perches. You may need to jack up the trailer to take the weight off. I did it at home. When I jacked up the trailer the bow upwards in the axle was obvious.

Perches were about either $2 or $4 each (can't remember) at a trailer dealer in Layton. Measure the axle tube diameter before you go to purchase the perches! It raised my trailer about 3 inches.


Then again you could just flip the axle but the tires may wear wrong and it may not track as well.

[justme]

If I were to send a photo of them, would you be able to tell if that is the case with this trailer?


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[Tom R.]

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You must host them on the Internet somewhere before you post them here. You can't transfer pictures from your computer to this site. A Google search should yield a few web sites that offer free hosting. They'll have the FTP that allows you to upload them.

[tuxxj]

I would like to change the oil filter adapter O-ring/seals and check/clean the neutral safety switch if there is time.

[Israel]

and check/clean the neutral safety switch if there is time.

Bring a spare just in case! Those things are a PAIN to get off without breaking them!

[DrMoab]

Bring a spare just in case! Those things are a PAIN to get off without breaking them!
Don't forget way stupid expensive to replace too.

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So can you tell from the photos if this axle can be flipped, or if it has to be done the other way? Thanks

[DrMoab]

Yes it can. You will need to buy a new set of ubolts and if the axle has perches on it(I cant tell from the pics) you will need a new set of those to weld on the top of the axle too.

[justme]

Thank you! How do I tell what size of U bolts I need? Is there any particular trailer supply place between SLC & Ogden that I should get this stuff? Thanks!

The axle is 2" thick, and the current U-bolts are 5 inches long. How much longer do I need the new ones to be?

[justme]

Okay, I've got the U-bolts. The "perches" are sitting on Will Call at Hendersons in Ogden for me to pick up on my way in the morning. Will the perches need to be tack welded? Michael can bring his welder if the shop doesn't have one. I hope that's everything!

[grandpaxj]

SORRY!!!!!!!!!!! But our shop door is having major issues and it doesn't work, meaning we can't have shop days tommorrow because we can't get the door opened. the district can't fix it until next week. The next BIG problem is that the following weekend is a 3 day holiday weekend, then school is out. those people whom I owe a shop day to will have to collect it in September. I don't know what else to do because I'm gone for the summer and the district has scheduled to paint my shop during the summer. the shop is closed this summer. once again I'm sorry for the inconvience. Jerry

[justme]

BUMMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MoabXJeeper]

BUMMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, I should have checked this post before driving up there. Jerry, PM me if you have that strap I requested and I will try to get up there to get it.