Pig Gig ammo

[87manche]

so, I am going to attempt to make it this year. There was talk of it at the campfire.
I understand much firearms play.
This makes me happy.
During my absence I became heavily invested in the making of bullets. I would like to bring some for others to play with.
Those bringing pistols, post up what calibers. Currently reloading .38, 9mm, .40 and 45.
45 brass is in short supply, so we'd need some brass in exchange.
Pretty well set for 9mm and .40 brass.
I could do .357 with the .38 dies, but need magnum brass.
I'll crunch some numbers and figure costs. Not looking to make money, just supply everyone with cheapo ammo.
box o 9mm can be reloaded for about 8 bucks and I can do approx 300 in an hour. 40 is a touch more, and .45 is probably about 10, but getting .45 brass is the big issue.

[FlexdXJ]

I have a 9mm. Not sure if It will come to the pig gig because of the Illinois Nazi's. I will be bringing my .22 and I am looking into a Mosin Nagant M44.

[Rev Den]

.45 Auto (but it does not do well with reloads)
.44 Mag
.38 Special
.32 Auto
.22 Auto
.222 Bolt action
12 ga

Rev

[87manche]

I can bring some reloads for your .45 rev, and we can try them out. Dad's 1911 loves these things,I think the load is 4.5 grs of Bullseye, topped with a 230 gr lead round nose. Last time we went shooting the reloads printed a 2 inch group at 7 yrds from his 1911.
I can do your .38 special, I think dad has about 2K rounds in an ammo can. He went a litle overboad with the progressive loader.
I don't have any dies for .32, 44 mag or rifle rounds.

Flex, if you are a resident of another state and are legally transporting a firearm according to federal law the illinois nazis can't do anything about it. and I'm pretty sure no one at the pig gig is going to call about your hi cap mag ;)

[KSXJ]

This would be fun, but not sure I will be able to drive that far. But I love my Glock 30 (45 cal).

[ChiXJeff]

Flex, if you are a resident of another state and are legally transporting a firearm according to federal law the illinois nazis can't do anything about it. and I'm pretty sure no one at the pig gig is going to call about your hi cap mag ;)

<Jake>I hate Illinois Nazis.</Jake>

IIRC, from when I resided in Illahnoizy, that is the case. I think you won't be able to buy ammo in IL (you won't have a FOID card,) so be sure to bring enough in from out-of-state.

[87manche]

<Jake>I hate Illinois Nazis.</Jake>
I think you won't be able to buy ammo in IL (you won't have a FOID card,) so be sure to bring enough in from out-of-state.

Great quote!

and the second point is the reason for this thread. My momma taught me to bring enough to share.

[ChiXJeff]

GruppenFuehrer! Get that car's license number. We're gonna...

[87manche]

I've always loved you.

[ChiXJeff]

You *DO* realize that this is gonna go downhill, fast, right? :D

[FlexdXJ]

I have a 9mm. Not sure if It will come to the pig gig because of the Illinois Nazi's. I will be bringing my .22 and I am looking into a Mosin Nagant M44.

Take that back. No Mosin. Got a Colt AR-15 22 on layaway.

[BRIANHO13]

Take that back. No Mosin. Got a Colt AR-15 22 on layaway.

Should have gone with a real ar15 and just got a 22 conversion for it.......

[jester1084]

If you were closer I could help you out with the .45 brass. I have at least 1000 empty brass sitting in an ammo box in my closet waiting for me to get the time and money to reload.

[87manche]

If you were closer I could help you out with the .45 brass. I have at least 1000 empty brass sitting in an ammo box in my closet waiting for me to get the time and money to reload.

show up to the pig gig and we'll swap some stuff.

[RedHeep]

Dates for said pig gig?

[XJosh95]

.40 ammo would be nice! And, Aaron, c'mon! All you have to do is keep it in the case.

[FlexdXJ]

Should have gone with a real ar15 and just got a 22 conversion for it.......

Yeah I realize that. Guess i'll just have to get a real one before SHTF like they talk about on the gun forums! :roflmao:

[FlexdXJ]

.40 ammo would be nice! And, Aaron, c'mon! All you have to do is keep it in the case.

www.handgunlaw.us: Read what it says for Illinois

[RedHeep]

www.handgunlaw.us: (http://www.handgunlaw.us:) Read what it says for Illinois

Be careful about third party websites. They're only as good as the information put their by the owners.

Not everything in wikipedia is true, either.

If you want it from the horses mouth, you have to go to the attorney general's office website for a given state. Quoting handgunlaw.us to the state trooper that just put you on your face for transporting a firearm illegally will not get you far.

[HaleYes]

Dates for said pig gig?
None set yet.
We're still in deliberations.:pig: We're trying to work around the pig's schedule.
Early June maybe..........maybe.........nothing in stone.

[87manche]

.40 ammo would be nice! And, Aaron, c'mon! All you have to do is keep it in the case.

all my pistols are .40.
there will be a large quantity of light target reloads.
180 Gr LRN.

oh, and this is not a ammo for sale thread.
donations will be accepted.
but I am not in the business of making bullets for profit.
just trying to get an idea of how much to bring.

[jester1084]

show up to the pig gig and we'll swap some stuff.

I'm going to try, but days off in summer for me are like gold right now. Until I've got about 5-10 years seniority it will be near impossible for me to get days off around June-August.

Mike

[XJosh95]

all my pistols are .40.
there will be a large quantity of light target reloads.
180 Gr LRN.

oh, and this is not a ammo for sale thread.
donations will be accepted.
but I am not in the business of making bullets for profit.
just trying to get an idea of how much to bring.

I will compensate you accordingly. Maybe a little $$ and some :cheers:?

[HaleYes]

Last year we did Labor Day weekend(Sept.) and had a nice turn out. In the years previous it had been 400° outside and was on the edge of being too hot. So, last year we decided to move it back to early Fall. But, like I said, we're still up in the air at this point. We'll do our best to give plenty of notice.

[87manche]

So. Rather than trying to get all of this boxed up and what not I'm just going to bring bulk ammo.

I've got a new local source for brass @$4 per 100, it just sucks that I have to go sort it myself.

anyway, I will bring 1500-2000 rds of each caliber listed, except .45, probably only going to swing 500-750 pieces of that.

87 "transporting small arms cartridges into occupied territory" manche.

[87manche]

just ordered 1K each
125 gr LRN 9MM
180 Gr LRN .40
230 Gr LRN .45

the local cast boolit guy is cool.
His name is Hank Williams, seriously.

[XJosh95]

I can't wait for this! Last years was a blast.
Edit: Pun intended.

[87manche]

.45- 230 grain Lead Round Nose, 4.8 Grains of Bullseye

.40- 180 Grain Lead Round Nose, 5 Grains Win 231

9- 125 Grain Lead Round Nose, 3.65 grains Bullseye

.38- 158 grain lead wadcutter, 3 grains bullseye

if anyone wants anything special cooked up let me know, but these loads have worked pretty well for us in a variety of different pistols.

[M4Madness]

I have a 9mm. Not sure if It will come to the pig gig because of the Illinois Nazi's. I will be bringing my .22 and I am looking into a Mosin Nagant M44.

I've got a registered full-auto M16 with a registered silencer attached. They'd really have a fit if I crossed the Illinois state line with that. :roflmao:

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/13006SOPMOD_M4.jpg

[FlexdXJ]

I've got a registered full-auto M16 with a registered silencer attached. They'd really have a fit if I crossed the Illinois state line with that. :roflmao:

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/13006SOPMOD_M4.jpg


WANT! That is a nice Rifle dude. I have an M4 but its a dedicated .22! :rattle: Thats alright, at least my .22 is badass!

[87manche]

so, I've been feeding the tumbler brass all day.

http://picture.vzw.com/mi/507681039_1787253781_0.jpeg?limitsize=345,345&outquality=56&ext=.jpg&border=2,0,0,0
went to the local outfitters and bought some more powder and primers.
picked up about 50 lbs of lead the other day.

fun times in the basement.

87"damn my right arm is getting tired"Manche

[M4Madness]

WANT! That is a nice Rifle dude.

Thanks. What's sad is that I could sell it and have enough money from the proceeds to buy three 2001 XJ's. :shocked:

I have an M4 but its a dedicated .22! :rattle: Thats alright, at least my .22 is badass!

Hey, there's nothing to be ashamed about a .22LR. Heck, with ammo priced as it is, that's about all anyone can afford to shoot right now. I've been tempted to purchase a .22LR upper for the M16.

Here are my .22LR and .45ACP:

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/13006Supressed_7722.jpg

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/13006Suppressed_HK.jpg

[hanaxj87]

Dude, tell me those aren't silencers......

Nick

[XJ&CHZ4ME]

Magnum PI, eat your heart out. :D

[ChiXJeff]

Dude, tell me those aren't silencers......

Nick
IIRC, if he's got a Class-III license, he's legal.

No way would I be posting up shots like that on a publicly accessible forum, though.

[M4Madness]

IIRC, if he's got a Class-III license, he's legal.

You've got the right idea, just the wrong terminology. :)

A Class 3 license is for dealers who sell NFA items (machineguns, silencers, etc.)

Ordinary citizens who live in states that allow its residents to own such items go a different route. I simply had to fill out the appropriate paperwork, be photographed and fingerprinted, and have my paperwork signed by the local Sheriff. That paperwork was then sent in to the BATFE for an FBI background check and approval. The fee associated with this paperwork is a one-time $200 NFA tax, in addition to the cost of the NFA item. A "tax stamp" is attached to the approved copy of the paperwork. Each item requires you to undergo the process and $200 tax again.

So, for my four sound suppressors and one machinegun, I had to submit separate paperwork and fees each time. I can travel anywhere within Indiana's confines with them at will, but can only take them to states that allow them. And then I must file paperwork beforehand stating my destination state. Obviously Illinois does not allow them.

[FlexdXJ]

Hey, there's nothing to be ashamed about a .22LR. Heck, with ammo priced as it is, that's about all anyone can afford to shoot right now. I've been tempted to purchase a .22LR upper for the M16.

Here are my .22LR and .45ACP:

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/13006Supressed_7722.jpg

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/13006Suppressed_HK.jpg


I love my .22's they are fun to shoot and really cheap. I also have a Marlin Model 60 and an XD so If i do have to shoot somebody or a bunch of squirrels, I got it covered! :D

[seanR]

I've got a registered full-auto M16 with a registered silencer attached. They'd really have a fit if I crossed the Illinois state line with that. :roflmao:

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/13006SOPMOD_M4.jpg

If you bring this into IL, I will do my civic duty and confiscate it.

[87manche]

Dude, tell me those aren't silencers......

Nick
suppressors are not illegal, neither are machine guns. They are simply tightly regulated and it costs to be the boss.

Tax stamps get expensive.

I will have a 22 suppressor sometime, these neighborhood cats are getting out of hand, and my little 22 revolver with subsonics is still kinda loud.

I made about 500 9mm rds this weekend. I'll polish off the rest of the brass on hand and switch the press over to .40. I ran out of .40 reloads at the range this week. So it's time to do another batch. Surprising how quickly that last batch went.

[M4Madness]

I will have a 22 suppressor sometime, these neighborhood cats are getting out of hand, and my little 22 revolver with subsonics is still kinda loud.

.22LR suppressors are the only "Hollywood quiet" suppressors out there. If a person only buys one suppressor in his/her lifetime, you've chosen the best caliber to go with. :D

[seanR]

suppressors are not illegal, neither are machine guns. They are simply tightly regulated and it costs to be the boss.
They are in Illinois!

[ChiXJeff]

Oh, no.... what he said still applies....you just have to know who to pay OFF.

[87manche]

They are in Illinois!

thta may be true. I am not familiar with your NFA laws.

but, in the ATF's eyes they are not illegal, just expensive, and you have to jump through some hoops before you can buy one.

[XJosh95]

If you melt down your own lead an mold slugs, I can bring our used wheel weights.

[87manche]

If you melt down your own lead an mold slugs, I can bring our used wheel weights.

I do not melt lead, I buy from a local bullet casting guy. I can see if he wants it. What kind of quantity are we talking about?

[FlexdXJ]

I do not melt lead, I buy from a local bullet casting guy. I can see if he wants it. What kind of quantity are we talking about?


Its a GM dealership.

[87manche]

Its a GM dealership.

so lots then. I'll ask my bullet guy if he can use them.
I assume you guys pay to dispose anyway?

[XJosh95]

Oh, man. Its hard to guess how much we will have by then...There's a guy here who melts and he usually takes it so... we don't pay for disposal. I know he's got more than plenty, he always asks me if I want it before he takes it. No toes to be stepped on. Just lemme know.

[87manche]

Oh, man. Its hard to guess how much we will have by then...There's a guy here who melts and he usually takes it so... we don't pay for disposal. I know he's got more than plenty, he always asks me if I want it before he takes it. No toes to be stepped on. Just lemme know.
I'll call Hank tomorrow and see if he has any interest.

if he's not willing to work out a sweetheart deal then I'm not going to bother. I really don't feel like carting around a hundred pounds of lead.

[XJosh95]

I doubt it will be that much, but really, I wouldnt feel like carting around any amount of useless lead. Just lemme know.

[87manche]

bah, don't wory about the lead.

also, the 9mm load has been updated.
4.4 grains of bullseye.

the 3.7 loads shoot too low at more than a few yards, but they were bunny fart soft.

[87manche]

Also, if anyone has the AK front sight post tool can you bring it? I'd like to fix the elevation adjustment on mine, so you dont have to shoot at 100 yrds with the sight leaf set on 300 meters.