Membership Drive

[bmyohn]

Hey guys, I just figured that while WF is still on everyone's mind and everyone was out having great time this weekend (I know I did) that this month is the membership drive. So especially those black named fellas, join up support NAXJA and the MWC and buy a membership. If you have a membership already, renew your membership. We all enjoyed the commrodery and new things we learned. Give it back to NAXJA by becoming a member and support the one and only Midwest Chapter.

-Brendan

[FlexdXJ]

Hey guys, I just figured that while WF is still on everyone's mind and everyone was out having great time this weekend (I know I did) that this month is the membership drive. So especially those black named fellas, join up support NAXJA and the MWC and buy a membership. If you have a membership already, renew your membership. We all enjoyed the commrodery and new things we learned. Give it back to NAXJA by becoming a member and support the one and only Midwest Chapter.

-Brendan

Couldn't have said it better myself. This is a group full of great people whom even though I have only met some of them a handful of times I consider them friends. I know some people have tight budgets(I know i do) but giving back to this Club is worth it to me. So pony up some duckets you broke Mofo's and join up! :D

[HaleYes]

You're all getting my vast knowledge and scarcasm for another year.:D I renewed. :wave1:

You don't have to even be close to your membership expiration date either. When you renew, it's tacked on to the end of your current membership.
There is a chapter contest going on with this membership drive as well so, keep that in mind. Pony up! If for nothing else just to keep the calitards from winning!

[FlexdXJ]

You're all getting my vast knowledge and scarcasm for another year.:D I renewed. :wave1:


Damn we will have to try to get rid of you a lot harder!

[WI88XJ]

I'm in again for another year. I've got it timed for March.

Gives me a shiney new sticker for WF each time.

[95' heep]

I will have mine subscribed sometime soon as my $$ straight out

[dozer_xj]

I was going to join but I would never pass inspection and get to wheel with you cuz NAXJA dont like welded on tow hooks.

[FlexdXJ]

I was going to join but I would never pass inspection and get to wheel with you cuz NAXJA dont like welded on tow hooks.

Well, grind them off and bolt them on! It may need to be added to the requirements that they be properly attached. Sucks you couldn't wheel with us but the guys doing tech know what they are talking about and if they say its a bad idea then it probably was. Its not like WF just comes up out of the Blue, there is a whole year to plan stuff. Hell, I wrecked my old Jeep in November and had the new one ready for WF(give or take a couple parts).

[89eliminator]

Well, grind them off and bolt them on! It may need to be added to the requirements that they be properly attached. Sucks you couldn't wheel with us but the guys doing tech know what they are talking about and if they say its a bad idea then it probably was. Its not like WF just comes up out of the Blue, there is a whole year to plan stuff. Hell, I wrecked my old Jeep in November and had the new one ready for WF(give or take a couple parts).

he did wheel with us. he toasted his front d-shaft and thats when the welded on hooks were noticed.

[funk_1964]

:bs:ah don't start

[FlexdXJ]

he did wheel with us. he toasted his front d-shaft and thats when the welded on hooks were noticed.

Oh, got ya. I wasn't aware of this. Didn't mean to sound like a dick either. I wouldn't think them being welded to thin sheetmetal would be that secure though. thats why i said that.

[funk_1964]

welded to 1/4" steel:wave:

[dozer_xj]

he did wheel with us. he toasted his front d-shaft and thats when the welded on hooks were noticed.
I dont understand the differnce between welded on tow hooks and welded on D-rings that alot of people had. plus I would be willing to bet it is stronger than a factory tow hook mount. It was an unwritten rule that was spung on me as I was broke hanging off a rock ledge which was frustrating.
number on thing i dont understand:
Why did they not want to hook to my welded on tow hook but they wanted to hook onto my 1/8th inch tube stinger that was welded on and not braced (its not finished yet) :confused1

[89eliminator]

i dont know and i dont care. i was just explaining the situation to Aaron.

[FlexdXJ]

welded to 1/4" steel:wave:

Were they welded to the bumper? I'm lost!

[FlexdXJ]

i dont know and i dont care. i was just explaining the situation to Aaron.


I'm still lost. These guys have me more confused than a hungry baby in a room full of topless women! :D

[dozer_xj]

I wouldn't think them being welded to thin sheetmetal would be that secure though. thats why i said that.
This is the set up friend:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=419018&d=1233528865

[funk_1964]

Equipment List

Visibly charged fire extinguisher (BC or ABC)
First aid kit
Adequate spare tire, jack and lug wrench
Safety belts for driver and any current passenger
Adequate attachment points in the front and rear of the vehicle:
Acceptable forms of attachment points: (All Items must be mounted in a manner to provide adequate strength and integrity)
Tow hooks of OEM or greater integrity
D-Rings
Shackle/Clevis

20ft 10,000lb snatch strap without any metal hooks
Secured battery (no bungee cords)



:twak: lets be serious for one min

tow hook that is bolted to a welded on bumper is stronger than a welded on hook? WTF
you fawkers are wheelin xjs for crying out loud.... not much to bolt to

the worst part is he had to back off an obstical under his own power b/c noone would hook up a fawkin strap

[FlexdXJ]

This is the set up friend:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=419018&d=1233528865

My head hurts! :helpme:

[bmyohn]

I dont understand the differnce between welded on tow hooks and welded on D-rings that alot of people had. plus I would be willing to bet it is stronger than a factory tow hook mount. It was an unwritten rule that was spung on me as I was broke hanging off a rock ledge which was frustrating.
number on thing i dont understand:
Why did they not want to hook to my welded on tow hook but they wanted to hook onto my 1/8th inch tube stinger that was welded on and not braced (its not finished yet) :confused1

well I'm not trying to start anything here, but if you knew that you're rear bumper was not fit to pull off of why didn't you speak up? you could have put someone in danger by not having the proper setup to run with us. Its up to our tech inspectors (very experienced guys I might add) may have missed something when you got inspected. But it sounds like you weren't fit to run with the group and that a Staff Member kindly pointed out that you didn't fit requirements. Stop whining, rules are rules buddy. Get your jeep up to spec and then you can come out with us.

[funk_1964]

whoa better check your shit

[FlexdXJ]

Equipment List

Visibly charged fire extinguisher (BC or ABC)
First aid kit
Adequate spare tire, jack and lug wrench
Safety belts for driver and any current passenger
Adequate attachment points in the front and rear of the vehicle:
Acceptable forms of attachment points: (All Items must be mounted in a manner to provide adequate strength and integrity)
Tow hooks of OEM or greater integrity
D-Rings
Shackle/Clevis

20ft 10,000lb snatch strap without any metal hooks
Secured battery (no bungee cords)



:twak: lets be serious for one min

tow hook that is bolted to a welded on bumper is stronger than a welded on hook? WTF
you fawkers are wheelin xjs for crying out loud.... not much to bolt to

the worst part is he had to back off an obstical under his own power b/c noone would hook up a fawkin strap

Would you want a tow hook coming through your window? Lets get this back on track. You live and you learn. If you guys want to join great, if not so be it. This is a great group of guys that would help anyone within reason. Welds can break easier than the bolts used will shear. Both ways are good to mount things when used in the right application.

[funk_1964]

the only thing on his jeep not fit to pull from was his stinger

[dozer_xj]

well I'm not trying to start anything here, but if you knew that you're rear bumper was not fit to pull off of why didn't you speak up?.

What we are talking about my FRONT bumper and I never said it was not safe. they did

[funk_1964]

Would you want a tow hook coming through your window? Lets get this back on track. You live and you learn. If you guys want to join great, if not so be it. This is a great group of guys that would help anyone within reason. Welds can break easier than the bolts used will shear. Both ways are good to mount things when used in the right application.

you wanna talk about rules?
look at my quote from your own damn rules have you ever seen oem xj tow hooks?

[dozer_xj]

Stop whining, rules are rules buddy. Get your jeep up to spec and then you can come out with us.
The WELDED TOW HOOK RULE is nver written anywhere. Thats why I was like WTF when I was hanging off a ledege aand they wouldnt pull me up

[FlexdXJ]

whoa better check your shit

Why because his Jeep is built right? Other than that D30! :D But seriously, You don't have to be like that we are trying to help dozer out and you jump in here being all nasty. I may have sounded like a prick in the initial post and I apologize if i did. If you have problems with NAXJA, don't wheel with us. Doesn't hurt my feelings. Now seriously, Lets get this back on track and forget about this. We are trying to attract members not run them off.

[bmyohn]

sorry, please replace REAR with FRONT. still does not change the meaning of my post. What a tech inspector says goes, the same can be said for trail leaders. If they don't feel your rig is adequate enough to wheel with the group than you are done, which is obviously what happened. Hopefully you understand that. That is all.

[FlexdXJ]

Alright screw it i reported it. Sorry for killing your thread Brendan.

[funk_1964]

Would you want a tow hook coming through your window? Lets get this back on track. You live and you learn. If you guys want to join great, if not so be it. This is a great group of guys that would help anyone within reason. Welds can break easier than the bolts used will shear. Both ways are good to mount things when used in the right application.

and noone wanted to help, just wanted to bitch about shit that makes no sense how did they help if he had do the shit himself?

dozer how many ppl drove by when you broke the second time?

[funk_1964]

sorry, please replace REAR with FRONT. still does not change the meaning of my post. What a tech inspector says goes, the same can be said for trail leaders. If they don't feel your rig is adequate enough to wheel with the group than you are done, which is obviously what happened. Hopefully you understand that. That is all.
the tech guy said his shit was good!
plus when they checked mine they said cool !!!! HA

[dozer_xj]

What a tech inspector says goes, the same can be said for trail leaders. If they don't feel your rig is adequate enough to wheel with the group than you are done, .
It passed tech

[funk_1964]

Why because his Jeep is built right? Other than that D30! :D But seriously, You don't have to be like that we are trying to help dozer out and you jump in here being all nasty. I may have sounded like a prick in the initial post and I apologize if i did. If you have problems with NAXJA, don't wheel with us. Doesn't hurt my feelings. Now seriously, Lets get this back on track and forget about this. We are trying to attract members not run them off.
by his shit i ment facts and potential members have the right to know the truth

[bmyohn]

whoa better check your shit

I am pretty sure my jeep is pretty well built and up to spec with NAXJA rules. Thanks for the concern though :clap:

[FlexdXJ]

Whatever you say in this thread doesn't matter now. Quit your whining and fix it instead of being like this. You have been on the forum for 6 months and are complaining about shit that has been around since LONG before I was on the board or even had an XJ.

[bmyohn]

the tech guy said his shit was good!
plus when they checked mine they said cool !!!! HA

It passed tech


Ok cool, but did you bother to read the second half of my post where it said the Trial Leader as well? He obviously didn't feel comfortable pulling off of your bumper. End of story.

[funk_1964]

read the rules yourself it says equal to or greater than oem i say again... have you seen xj oem tow hooks?

[funk_1964]

my shit passed tech! HAhttp://farm3.static.flickr.com/2737/4419254872_520b5b306d_o.jpg

[dozer_xj]

Cliff notes:

1. Jeep passes tech

2. I brake and they want to pull me front a half built stinger not welded tow hooks

3. Im like GET ME DOWN FROM THIS LEDGE

4. Aurgument brakes out on what to hook from

5. Feelings are hurt

I was just confused becuase it passed tech and that rule is not written down anywhere. Plus d-rings are wleded on and they pass tech. I feel welded on tow hooks to 7 inch channle iron is stronger than OEM tow brackes. I understand rules are rules but I didnt know see these rules before so how could I have known? oh and Hasta

[bmyohn]

To be honest they are much safer tied into the unibody with bolts and brackets then they are compared to your weld job on the bumper. Its just facts buddy, if you don't like it, then thats just too bad

[funk_1964]

Whatever you say in this thread doesn't matter now. Quit your whining and fix it instead of being like this. You have been on the forum for 6 months and are complaining about shit that has been around since LONG before I was on the board or even had an XJ.

there is nothin to fix it meets your own XXXXin rules

[funk_1964]

To be honest they are much safer tied into the unibody with bolts and brackets then they are compared to your weld job on the bumper. Its just facts buddy, if you don't like it, then thats just too bad

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHGAHHAHAHHAHAHHA WTF are you talkin about ?>!>?!?!?!?!?!?"!??!??!?!??!??!?!??!??!

are you XXXXing serious?????!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!

DOZER WE ARE DOIN THAT TEST!!!!!!

[89eliminator]

grade 5 bolts give, welds do not. end of story.

[dozer_xj]

To be honest they are much safer tied into the unibody with bolts and brackets then they are compared to your weld job on the bumper. Its just facts buddy, if you don't like it, then thats just too bad
Make your rules more clear and stick to them in the tech inspection not when someone needs a tow. I understand its the trail leaders call.

[FlexdXJ]

read the rules yourself it says equal to or greater than oem i say again... have you seen xj oem tow hooks?


Oh you mean the ones on the front of my Jeep that were pulled on a couple times and held up just fine. Just give it up man. This thread will either be cleaned up or deleted thanks to you two. These are some of the best people I have ever met. One of which changed my alternator in an Autozone parking lot in crawfordsville. ONe of them installed Brendans gears and front locker and one of which GAVE me a set of Shackle relocation brackets. If you don't want to wheel with people like that don't do it! GET THIS THREAD BACK ON TRACK for crying out loud.

[bmyohn]

3. Im like GET ME DOWN FROM THIS LEDGE

I'm pretty sure you could have and did back down the ledge without an issue. That was safer than trying to tug your jeep up and over that ledge.

Dan Wheeler is a very experienced trail leader and highly respected not just by me, but by every single member (and i stress MEMBER) of these boards. If he did not approve of something I am sure it was for good reason and it obviously was for good reason. So please stop whinning about your welded on tow hooks.

[funk_1964]

To be honest they are much safer tied into the unibody with bolts and brackets then they are compared to your weld job on the bumper. Its just facts buddy, if you don't like it, then thats just too bad

ok so why dont you put in more specific rules so dozers hooks are no good but if i bolt on a tow hook with a 1/4" grade 3 bolt its g2g and an oem tow hook has 2 bolts goin thru 2 pieces of sheet metal

[HaleYes]

you wanna talk about rules?
look at my quote from your own damn rules have you ever seen oem xj tow hooks?

I have seen oem XJ tow hooks. I've used them on some pretty hard pulls on my own rig too. I'm not seeing your point.

Here's a suggestion. Kick it down a notch. This isn't pirate. Tone of voice is sometimes hard to gage on the web so, keep that in mind when you're reading here on NAXJA.


Now, I'm far from being a metal geek but, I've read in several different places that when you weld on a tow hook, it becomes more brittle than it was originally. This is the reason that welded hooks are considered dangerous and are not really looked upon as being a safe tow point. The only thing that is in question here is the hook being welded. The bumper itself looks more than adequate and appears to be mounted very well.
For the record, I did not do tech on this rig. I know who dozer is and did not run across him while doing tech.


The fact remains: NAXJA has rules. We follow them.

[FlexdXJ]

there is nothin to fix it meets your own XXXXin rules


My rules? I just help out with WF and nothing more. You want to change it talk to the BOD and Lobster. They are in charge. I am just a peon dude. You know what forget it. I may as well be talking to a brick!

[dozer_xj]

Oh you mean the ones on the front of my Jeep that were pulled on a couple times and held up just fine. Just give it up man. This thread will either be cleaned up or deleted thanks to you two. These are some of the best people I have ever met. One of which changed my alternator in an Autozone parking lot in crawfordsville. ONe of them installed Brendans gears and front locker and one of which GAVE me a set of Shackle relocation brackets. If you don't want to wheel with people like that don't do it! GET THIS THREAD BACK ON TRACK for crying out loud.
your missing the whole point. Im not saying your not great guys. You cant expect people to follow rules that are not written down. Thats what im saying. not weld streangth vs bolts or anything. (even though i could go on)

[bmyohn]

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHGAHHAHAHHAHAHHA WTF are you talkin about ?>!>?!?!?!?!?!?"!??!??!?!??!??!?!??!??!

are you XXXXing serious?????!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!

DOZER WE ARE DOIN THAT TEST!!!!!!


Go back to pirate. Apparently you already know all there is to know. I'm pretty sure I will sleep fine without you wheeling with us next year. :dunno:

[FlexdXJ]

So Brendan How bout them Colts? :dunno: :D

[FlexdXJ]

your missing the whole point. Im not saying your not great guys. You cant expect people to follow rules that are not written down. Thats what im saying. not weld streangth vs bolts or anything. (even though i could go on) Dozer, I have nothing against you. Its the other guy. You aren't being hateful about everything. You know what to do now so in the future there won't be a misunderstanding. It isn't specifically wrote down but apparently it needs to be. I can't do much about it but once someone who can chimes in we are pretty much stuck with it. They have been trying to get the bylaws all worked out so it may make it in there when they do get them straightened out.

[funk_1964]

My rules? I just help out with WF and nothing more. You want to change it talk to the BOD and Lobster. They are in charge. I am just a peon dude. You know what forget it. I may as well be talking to a brick!
right what ever and hale you are right this isnt pirate if it was i would be havin alot more fun! am i right or am i right?!?!?!?!?

seriously i can not belive how clueless you fawkers are by your own description, it is better to bolt on a link bracket than it is to weld it

get a fawkin clue truth is dozer got fawked and for the record no one ever stoped while dozer was layin in the mud not even to flip him off that is some serious BS

[bmyohn]

right what ever and hale you are right this isnt pirate if it was i would be havin alot more fun! am i right or am i right?!?!?!?!?

seriously i can not belive how clueless you fawkers are by your own description, it is better to bolt on a link bracket than it is to weld it

get a fawkin clue truth is dozer got fawked and for the record no one ever stoped while dozer was layin in the mud not even to flip him off that is some serious BS


Please go back and re-read your posts. Then ask yourself who sounds like the clueless ones. Insulting MEMBERS on these boards, especially a former President of the MWC does not bode well for you a USER of there forums.

If i had known you wanted someone to lay in the mud and play with a square driveshaft with ya dozer i am someone would have done so. How many people would you like to lay in the mud and watch you unbolt a driveshaft? the entire group? come on buddy seriously?

[FlexdXJ]

right what ever and hale you are right this isnt pirate if it was i would be havin alot more fun! am i right or am i right?!?!?!?!?

seriously i can not belive how clueless you fawkers are by your own description, it is better to bolt on a link bracket than it is to weld it

get a fawkin clue truth is dozer got fawked and for the record no one ever stoped while dozer was layin in the mud not even to flip him off that is some serious BS


Dude, I wasn't there i don't know what happened. I was in the green group wheeling my Jeep that is a lot smaller than dozers and even though it wasn't as capable it was done correctly. If he can figure out a more secure way to mount them I'm sure they will let him wheel. I just have a hard time believing that nobody stopped to help him out.

[funk_1964]

Please go back and re-read your posts. Then ask yourself who sounds like the clueless ones. Insulting MEMBERS on these boards, especially a former President of the MWC does not bode well for you a USER of there forums.

If i had known you wanted someone to lay in the mud and play with a square driveshaft with ya dozer i am someone would have done so. How many people would you like to lay in the mud and watch you unbolt a driveshaft? the entire group? come on buddy seriously?

you keep touting what great ppl you all are but honestly you arent you just look out for your own like oh dont insult my former pres

and i didnt say ppl had to help but no one even stopped to be like hey wtf dozer everythin ok? allright see ya

nothin my cousin was the only person

[89eliminator]

right what ever and hale you are right this isnt pirate if it was i would be havin alot more fun! am i right or am i right?!?!?!?!?

seriously i can not belive how clueless you fawkers are by your own description, it is better to bolt on a link bracket than it is to weld it

get a fawkin clue truth is dozer got fawked and for the record no one ever stoped while dozer was layin in the mud not even to flip him off that is some serious BS

are you dozer's spokesman or something? why are you so pissy about something when it really didnt involve you?

[funk_1964]

Dude, I wasn't there i don't know what happened. I was in the green group wheeling my Jeep that is a lot smaller than dozers and even though it wasn't as capable it was done correctly. If he can figure out a more secure way to mount them I'm sure they will let him wheel. I just have a hard time believing that nobody stopped to help him out.

believe it that is what happened a member of our group stopped not yours and his hook is more secure than most others we are goin to hook a strap to it and to a stock xj hook and see which one holds out the longest

[FlexdXJ]

are you dozer's spokesman or something? why are you so pissy about something when it really didnt involve you?

Thank you. Funk just earned himself a nomination.

[bmyohn]

I am pretty sure we are extremely welcoming of new members to the boards and everyone is willing to lend a hand where it is needed. But when someone (ie you and dozer) jump on these boards and start whinning about our RULES then I have a problem. You can be much more considerate, or even possibly PMing the tech inspector that passed your Jeep to wheel with us. Rather than making it a big huge public ordeal. You could have handled this a lot better without making yourself sound like an ass.

[funk_1964]

are you dozer's spokesman or something? why are you so pissy about something when it really didnt involve you?

because it did involve me i was with him trying to convince everyone that the hook was ok to pull from and dozer is too much of a puxxy (no offense)

[funk_1964]

I am pretty sure we are extremely welcoming of new members to the boards and everyone is willing to lend a hand where it is needed. But when someone (ie you and dozer) jump on these boards and start whinning about our RULES then I have a problem. You can be much more considerate, or even possibly PMing the tech inspector that passed your Jeep to wheel with us. Rather than making it a big huge public ordeal. You could have handled this a lot better without making yourself sound like an ass.


nope i dont even know who teched us but it was strap? check fire extinguisher? check first aid kit? check here is your sticker and it is a major fail on NAXJA's part for posting unclear rules and then fawkin ppl over because of them

[89eliminator]

well maybe next time we should just make it a XJ/MJ specific event.

oh and im done with this portion of the thread.

[dozer_xj]

seriously i can not belive how clueless you fawkers are by your own description, it is better to bolt on a link bracket than it is to weld it

get a fawkin clue truth is dozer got fawked and for the record no one ever stoped while dozer was layin in the mud not even to flip him off that is some serious BS

Atleast stop dropping the F bomb

[funk_1964]

well maybe next time we should just make it a XJ/MJ specific event.

oh and im done with this portion of the thread.

i thought it was already?

[funk_1964]

Atleast stop dropping the F bomb
it turns to x's when i say XXXX ...... See???

[FlexdXJ]

nope i dont even know who teched us but it was strap? check fire extinguisher? check first aid kit? check here is your sticker and it is a major fail on NAXJA's part for posting unclear rules and then fawkin ppl over because of them


Yeah this happens all the time let me tell you. How many runs does this Nationwide club put on a year? In how many of them do people fail tech? Please let me know. Now for the final time. Get over it this thread isn't about dozer's rig its about getting new members in here to help keep trails open and keep NAXJA events going on around the country.

[bmyohn]

holy crap dude. go back and read. we have just gone over all of this. you were not "fawked" over. He broke his jeep, he was most likely done for the day anyways. In that situation there was no reason for us to put a strap on his jeep and pull him up and over that obstacle. It would be 100x safer to let him roll back down the rock face than up and over. I am pretty sure he made it down alot quicker and alot safer than he did if we tried to strap him or winch him up and over that obstacle. In no way was he "fawked" over. Lighten up dude seriously you have gone way to far with this. Stop crying!

[funk_1964]

Yeah this happens all the time let me tell you. How many runs does this Nationwide club put on a year? In how many of them do people fail tech? Please let me know. Now for the final time. Get over it this thread isn't about dozer's rig its about getting new members in here to help keep trails open and keep NAXJA events going on around the country.
and ill say again potential members have a right to know the truth i know 2 ppl now that will not join because of the way your club handled itself over the weekend

[dard1324]

http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=870371

[dozer_xj]

I'm pretty sure you could have and did back down the ledge without an issue. That was safer than trying to tug your jeep up and over that ledge.

.
It was Dans choice to pull me over the ledge

[89eliminator]

and ill say again potential members have a right to know the truth i know 2 ppl now that will not join because of the way your club handled itself over the weekend

ok great. now this thread can be done with.

[funk_1964]

holy crap dude. go back and read. we have just gone over all of this. you were not "fawked" over. He broke his jeep, he was most likely done for the day anyways. In that situation there was no reason for us to put a strap on his jeep and pull him up and over that obstacle. It would be 100x safer to let him roll back down the rock face than up and over. I am pretty sure he made it down alot quicker and alot safer than he did if we tried to strap him or winch him up and over that obstacle. In no way was he "fawked" over. Lighten up dude seriously you have gone way to far with this. Stop crying!

had he broken a rear shaft the situation would have been diffrent had there ben a hole he was in it would have been diffrent you are too closed minded to see that in the event that he had to be pulled foreward everyone would stick their thubs up their asses and give up!

[FlexdXJ]

and ill say again potential members have a right to know the truth i know 2 ppl now that will not join because of the way your club handled itself over the weekend

Know the truth about what? You are obviously just being a PITA about this stupid little issue that you have created. Were you the one who built this bumper contraption?

[bmyohn]

and ill say again potential members have a right to know the truth i know 2 ppl now that will not join because of the way your club handled itself over the weekend

I will go out on a limb here and say that you are no longer welcome here. Take you're whinning and two year old attitude (the only two year old allowed on these forums is Hale) back to pirate, where hopefully someone will knock you off your high and mighty throne.

[89eliminator]

http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=870371

thanks for that.

[funk_1964]

http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=870371

isnt it a cryin shame that pirate wont chime in?

[funk_1964]

I will go out on a limb here and say that you are no longer welcome here. Take you're whinning and two year old attitude (the only two year old allowed on these forums is Hale) back to pirate, where hopefully someone will knock you off your high and mighty throne.

you are a fine one to talk about being high and mighty

[bmyohn]

I am not the one crying and whinning, and running to Pirate for support. Get over it buddy.

[funk_1964]

Thread deleted by apeters89 (http://www.naxja.org/forum/member.php?u=7647)
Reason: no board wars...

for the record i did not go HGTD

[89eliminator]

this thread is awesome.

[funk_1964]

I am not the one crying and whinning, and running to Pirate for support. Get over it buddy.
yes but you have to admit that naxja believes they are beter than eveyone else

[FlexdXJ]

isnt it a cryin shame that pirate wont chime in?

Probably because most of them don't give a flying crap about whats going on her because either a.) They don't have an XJ or b.) they don't give a damn about your stupid little trolling effort.

[funk_1964]

Probably because most of them don't give a flying crap about whats going on her because either a.) They don't have an XJ or b.) they don't give a damn about your stupid little trolling effort.
trolling my ass i am bringing to light the naxja bullshite

[dard1324]

thanks for that.
Saw it on pirate and thought you guys might want to know.

[FlexdXJ]

this thread is awesome.

Full of Win and Fail! :D

[bmyohn]

you are a fine one to talk about being high and mighty

I passed inspection by the inspector and trail leader you did not. Does that make me high and mighty? I don't think so. I am just stating the facts. If you do not like that, than please produce a response that does not sound like you are whinning. Please produce this response in a paragraph that is comprehendible and uses punctuation. Thanks.

[FlexdXJ]

Saw it on pirate and thought you guys might want to know.


We aren't sure whats going on either. All i am hearing is noise. No real talk anymore!

[Matt S.]

Can we say... FAG? You are a butt hurt little bi tch. Grow up. Seriously?


You midwesterns got some f'd in the head people.

[89eliminator]

Saw it on pirate and thought you guys might want to know.

yup, thanks. i had my suspicions about this guy over the weekend anyways and that just reaffirmed it.

[FlexdXJ]

Can we say...? You are a butt hurt little bi tch. Grow up. Seriously?


You midwesterns got some f'd in the head people.

Nobody even knows this dude except for Dozer!

[HaleYes]

Wow.

I see both sides of this thing.
There is no written rule concerning welded tow hooks. Nowhere in the NAXJA bylaws does it specifically call out that welded tow hooks are prohibited. So, when Dozer (or anyone for that matter) reads the rules, he thinks he's good to go.

Now on the other side of the fence is the NAXJA old timer. The old timer knows that it's sort of an "unwritten rule" that welded tow hooks are known to be a weak link. (See my previous post about not being a metal geek, there are several opinions on this particuar subject) So, this old timer knows that the unwritten rule is something that most people associated with NAXJA are aware of and follow.

So, when a guy that's not associated with NAXJA shows up to wheel an event......AND PASSES TECH......he takes that as a nod that he's good to go wheel the event. This outsider new guy has no idea that there is an unwritten rule concerning tow hooks. It just so happens that this guy is in a prediciment on the trial and needs a tug. I wasn't there. So, I don't know every single specific of the situation. Anyway, he gets some grief from the everyone for some welded hooks. It'd be like getting a speeding ticket for doing 45 in a 55mph zone. It's not in the written law but everyone in the area knows that 55 isn't safe for the area.

I'll be the first to admit, tech was not nearly as tight as it should have been. That's a problem. This issue is being addressed and it shouldn't happen again. The welded thing will be brought before the BOD and a decison will be made concering allowing or now allowing welded tow hooks on official events.

This one is locked folks it won't do anyting but snowball from this point. When a decision is reached on the fate of the welded tow hooks, I'm sure it will be communicated to the masses.