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mcbrado
December 21st, 2009, 19:22
All 4 of my tires are 235 75 15 and they are all cupped. I trued them (or at least payed somebody to true them) but they didn't get rid of half of the rumble.

I am just going to break down and get new tires before the Obama plan jacks tire prices up this February.

Can any of you recommend your choice for best, most affordable, and most of all--quiet tire. I assume it's going to be an all-season tire.

It'll be for use on the highway/freeway and in the frozen snow drifts of Houghton, MI. I have had all-terrain until now and they just aren't worth it for the noise I have been getting for 2 years (especially since the cupping) and I need a big change in noise as I am seriously going def with the 8-14 hour drives I have to do several times each semester. :)

98 Cherokee Sport 4L/6C

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theNAST1EST
December 21st, 2009, 19:24
www.tirerack.com


They do useful side-by-side comparisons on all types.

bcmaxx
December 21st, 2009, 19:25
All 4 of my tires are 235 75 15 and they are all cupped. I trued them (or at least payed somebody to true them) but they didn't get rid of half of the rumble.

I am just going to break down and get new tires before the Obama plan jacks tire prices up this February.

Can any of you recommend your choice for best, most affordable, and most of all--quiet tire. I assume it's going to be an all-season tire.

It'll be for use on the highway/freeway and in the frozen snow drifts of Houghton, MI. I have had all-terrain until now and they just aren't worth it for the noise I have been getting for 2 years (especially since the cupping) and I need a big change in noise as I am seriously going def with the 8-14 hour drives I have to do several times each semester. :)

Toyo a/t is a good quality tire, and quiet.

How do they true a tire? never heard of it

98 Cherokee Sport 4L/6C

B

PhotographerMike
December 21st, 2009, 19:37
I'm on my second set of Firestone Destination A/T from TireRack. Quiet, good traction and fairly priced. I ordered 235/75 x 15 online and got a call before shipping telling me that they would rub at full lock and they were right, no problem though, I like the extra width.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Firestone&tireModel=Destination+A%2FT

mcbrado
December 21st, 2009, 19:39
Truing a tire sucks.

Basically, they take a flat blade and shave off all the tire to the lowest point in the cupping. Make sense? So you sacrifice tire life for quality of the ride and lose tread, but this thing was howling.

Problem is, they obviously didn't remove all the cupping and also charged me for an alignment I didn't need.

So unless the cupping isn't bad, you're just throwing your money away; get new tires.

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mcbrado
December 21st, 2009, 19:41
I'm on my second set of Firestone Destination A/T from TireRack. Quiet, good traction and fairly priced. I ordered 235/75 x 15 online and got a call before shipping telling me that they would rub at full lock and they were right, no problem though, I like the extra width.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Firestone&tireModel=Destination+A%2FT


Would it rub on a cherokee with a 2 inch lift?

mcbrado
December 21st, 2009, 19:43
I'm on my second set of Firestone Destination A/T from TireRack. Quiet, good traction and fairly priced. I ordered 235/75 x 15 online and got a call before shipping telling me that they would rub at full lock and they were right, no problem though, I like the extra width.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Firestone&tireModel=Destination+A%2FT


I was thinking an A/T was going to be too loud after having mine for so long; they were never quiet but they are Goodyear I think. How quiet are these at 70 and 80 mph?

PhotographerMike
December 21st, 2009, 21:07
Two questions, two answers;
They shouldn't rub, especially if you are turning full lock at 70 to 80 (sorry, couldn't resist) They only rub a bit when I am trying to do a U turn on our street, then I just back off a bit.
"How quiet are these at 70 and 80 mph?"
I think they're quiet. But with our 4 cyl., manual trans, "stripper" SE running over 3500 RPM @ 80, I have no idea . . . I just slow down so I can hear the radio over the engine.
With the light weight of our Cherokee, they rode terrible coming back from the install at 40 lbs., but they are smooth and surprisingly grippy on pavement at 28~30.

Firewater
December 21st, 2009, 21:35
I have the firestones and can say you don't hear them at all at highway speeds. You certainly won't hear them over the engine and wind noise. Great tires at a good price. As I found out this weekend, they are really good in the snow and ice.

93gc40
December 21st, 2009, 21:57
I suggest you fix whatever is causing the cupping.. Alignment, suspension, bearings, air pressure.
If you want quiet tires get passenger tires. Any OFF road type tire (AT or MT) will make some noise, due to the larger tread lugs.

Johnnie Walker
December 22nd, 2009, 01:43
Bridgestone Dueler A/T's , Dayton Timberline A/T's probably the best you can get. Last time I checked, the bridgestones were on sale.

Crawler
December 22nd, 2009, 04:52
Goodyear Wrangler SilentArmors... best damned tires I've ever owned.

I currently have a set of 235/75/15 LT on a stock '95 XJ with no issues what-so-ever.

Whatever you get, keep 'em aligned and rotate every 5k to keep that outer cupped wear to a minimum.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Wrangler+SilentArmor

FlexdXJ
December 22nd, 2009, 06:57
Would it rub on a cherokee with a 2 inch lift?


It could but I doubt it would.

heyhar
December 22nd, 2009, 08:21
I put a set of Firestone 'Firehawk Indy 500' on my stock '96 Country about 2k miles ago. Real nice, balanced beautifully. When I bought the car almost three years ago, it came with brand new Dayton Timberline AT, 235/75-15. They wore great, but as they approached 30k, couldn't be balanced, turns out three were out of round, one was real bad. Tread looked barely used, but the ride became unbearable at 60+MPH. I shopped around, figured I'd try these Firestones. They were designed with Bridgestone technology, well after the Exploder problems. Price was right, about $80 each for 235/70-15.
I have 235/70-15 size on both my XJs, stock height, and haven't heard them rub yet. I don't go offroad with my work cars, so quiet highway tread is fine. I guess I'll find out how the Firehawks work in the snow.

Kevin108
December 22nd, 2009, 10:05
Of all the things that could be wrong, why is tire noise such a concern? Granted, I have Michelin street tires on my XJ - they were brand new when I bought it, I'm not just going to throw them away - but I don't hear anything.

That said, I need an alignment bad on my 87 Silverado. It made my front tires wear funny. I have 35" Wrangler MT/Rs on it and since I've rotated them it sounds like I'm driving down brick pavers all the time. The noise just doesn't bother me.

The fart sound wide Boggers make on the interstate would bother me, but most tire noise is completely ignorable. It's like a white noise that you learn to block out.

Johnnie Walker
December 22nd, 2009, 12:23
I put a set of Firestone 'Firehawk Indy 500' on my stock '96 Country about 2k miles ago. Real nice, balanced beautifully. When I bought the car almost three years ago, it came with brand new Dayton Timberline AT, 235/75-15. They wore great, but as they approached 30k, couldn't be balanced, turns out three were out of round, one was real bad. Tread looked barely used, but the ride became unbearable at 60+MPH. I shopped around, figured I'd try these Firestones. They were designed with Bridgestone technology, well after the Exploder problems. Price was right, about $80 each for 235/70-15.
I have 235/70-15 size on both my XJs, stock height, and haven't heard them rub yet. I don't go offroad with my work cars, so quiet highway tread is fine. I guess I'll find out how the Firehawks work in the snow.
FOr you and those that do not know, Brdigestone, dayton and firestone have the same parent company. Yes, the tire quality is different, but some are the same, especially between daytons and firestones.

SanDiegoOverland
December 22nd, 2009, 12:30
We used continentals on our 2003 Expedition. very good tire. looked new when we sold it with 50k on the truck. handled ALL weather conditions in california and montana with ease.

I think they're made by michelin, not sure though. They're Factory equipped on Explorers and Expeditions, at least here in San Diego.

Treadwright makes a nice, quiet street terrain tire. Very inexpensive, and very good bang for your buck.

-Brian

SleeperXJ
December 22nd, 2009, 12:42
I've had good results with the shop that did wheel trueing on my BFG MT's. My concern was wear on the front unit bearings. When my tires were cupped the chatter would induce vibration in the front end that was cured by trueing the wheels. At $100 it was much cheaper than buying new tires...

heyhar
December 22nd, 2009, 12:56
FOr you and those that do not know, Brdigestone, dayton and firestone have the same parent company. Yes, the tire quality is different, but some are the same, especially between daytons and firestones.

Correct- I got a nice education when looking to replace the Daytons. Everyone said they were great tires, never saw a problem with them. When I took them to the Firestone dealer to be taken off the wheels, they felt bad throwing them on the old tire pile. When I went back two days later to get the Firehawks mounted, the Daytons were gone-but the others in the pile were still there!. At 30k miles, they still looked mint. They probably would have gone 60-70k. But, they were horrible at 65MPH. You can balance an egg, but it still ain't round.

The thing I like about the Firehawk Indy 500 tires is that they are soft-riding car tires, Bridgestone's answer to BFG T/A Radials. The Daytons, and the Cooper Discoverers on my son's '95 are noticeably stiffer, with a harsher ride.

heyhar
December 22nd, 2009, 13:00
I've had good results with the shop that did wheel trueing on my BFG MT's. My concern was wear on the front unit bearings. When my tires were cupped the chatter would induce vibration in the front end that was cured by trueing the wheels. At $100 it was much cheaper than buying new tires...

Is it hard to find a shop to 'true' a tire? I'm familiar with shaving a tire, as to reduce tread for racing, but didn't know it was available for street-useable tires. Quite possibly I could have rescued the last set.

beraad44
December 22nd, 2009, 13:21
My mom has very good experience with her bfg rugged trails. I believe she is around the 60k mark and they still have another 20k left in them. I just drove from Memphis to Nashville and I couldnt even hear them. Thats very good for a tire with 60k miles on them IMO

SanDiegoOverland
December 22nd, 2009, 13:25
My mom has very good experience with her bfg rugged trails. I believe she is around the 60k mark and they still have another 20k left in them. I just drove from Memphis to Nashville and I couldnt even hear them. Thats very good for a tire with 60k miles on them IMO

All our 1/4 to 1/2 ton fleet trucks either run BFG rugged trail's or all-terrain KO's, as far as I've seen.

VERY long wearing, tough tires. Very predictable service life, unless some type of trauma is suffered servicing our powerpoles in the back country.

Even then, they can take a lot of abuse.

SleeperXJ
December 22nd, 2009, 13:37
Is it hard to find a shop to 'true' a tire? I'm familiar with shaving a tire, as to reduce tread for racing, but didn't know it was available for street-useable tires. Quite possibly I could have rescued the last set.

Not too many shops do this anymore. Shops that service truck tires often offer this service. I found one shop that's 30 miles from my house. I'm not sure if this is a good option for street tires. The MT's i run have plenty of meat to work with, I called the shop before I going to confirm the could service my size/type tire.

heyhar
December 22nd, 2009, 13:45
Not too many shops do this anymore. Shops that service truck tires often offer this service. I found one shop that's 30 miles from my house. I'm not sure if this is a good option for street tires. The MT's i run have plenty of meat to work with, I called the shop before I going to confirm the could service my size/type tire.

Good to know. When I started to suspect an out-of-round condition, I jacked the left rear tire up, with the car secured, and put it in gear (open rear!). The way the tire looked as it spun-faster than a balancing machine would spin it- I'll bet about 3/4" or better would need to be removed. One was real bad, two others just a little out, one was fine.

Banditt007
December 26th, 2009, 15:02
I've only had these tires for about 3k miles but have driven them in various conditions and they are great and QUIET. only time i KIND of hear any noise is at exactly 53mph. Above or below that i can't hear anything and even at that it may not even be the tires.

(235/75/15)
Anyway since i drive on the street the most, i bought these KUMHO kl61 tires. THey are an all terrain but from looking at them/research are basically the closest to a street tire you can get, but still being an all terrain tire. I have no complaints w/ them infact they are quite impressive, and are very cheap. They haven't taken off in popularity for whatever reason but they are good tires for sure. And as quiet as any other street tire on the highway, i've taken them up to 95mph or so w/o any tire noise, i find in the jeep beyond about 55mph the only thing i hear is wind noise and nothing else. BTW they are also severe snow rated.


This place had the cheapest prices. BTW Tirerack.com would NOT match/beat this competitors price.
https://www.tiresavings.com/tireShop.php?action=findMan2&manufacturer=Kumho&tirename=Road+Venture+SAT+KL61&season=Regular

http://www.gm-trucks.com/forums/uploads/monthly_05_2009/post-63397-1243357079_thumb.jpg

garr
December 26th, 2009, 15:21
On the XJ I currently run the Firestone Destinations ATs (265x75x16), they are a nice quiet smooth tire & the price was great @ $112 Each.

But I have to say if money is not an issue Michelins are the quietest, smoothest, best all around tires I have ever run on anything, Car or Truck!