Now they're suspending 2nd graders for drawing jebus?

[SBrad001]

I couldn't agree more. Religion has NO place in the class room.

http://www.tauntongazette.com/news/x1903566059/Taunton-second-grader-suspended-over-drawing-of-Jesus

[RichP]

It's Massachusetts, why is anyone surprised. This is a state that kept sending Ted the bad driver back to the senate for what 3 decades, that made sporting good stores put doorways up to their gun depts and show ID from MASS before you can go in and look. That prevents out of state customers from going in by the way. Mass and Calif are our two closest socialist states so far.

[themangeraaad]

I couldn't agree more. Religion has NO place in the class room.

I heard about this on the radio this morning.

and I really hope you are being sarcastic with that comment.

While on some levels I agree that religion should remain separate from traditional education, there is a certain point that you have to draw the line. It's a damn picture. If the kid wants to believe in religion, guess what, thats fine. Where religion needs to be left out of the class room is with regard to the teachers. The teachers need to leave their own personal religious beliefs out of classroom lectures. If a kid wants to have some belief, so be it. There's nothing wrong with differing faiths.

[manatarms96]

Extremes touch each other. It´s jus a kid´s drawing

[kastein]

I heard about this on the radio this morning.

and I really hope you are being sarcastic with that comment.

While on some levels I agree that religion should remain separate from traditional education, there is a certain point that you have to draw the line. It's a damn picture. If the kid wants to believe in religion, guess what, thats fine. Where religion needs to be left out of the class room is with regard to the teachers. The teachers need to leave their own personal religious beliefs out of classroom lectures. If a kid wants to have some belief, so be it. There's nothing wrong with differing faiths.
X2. Separation of church and state does not mean anything governmental needs to be a religion free zone, it means the government can not endorse any single religion. Therefore this is 150% BS, if the kid drew it on their own that's not even close to a violation of separation of church and state and if the teacher told them to, the teacher should (I guess) be suspended not the kid.

Oh, and yes, this state sucks. Wish I was 50 miles north.

[XJEEPER]

I couldn't agree more. Religion has NO place in the class room.


"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Both the free exercise clause and the establishment clause place restrictions on the government concerning laws they pass or interfering with religion. No restrictions are placed on religions except perhaps that a religious denomination cannot become the state religion.

The teacher should be fired for trying to usurp power that violates this child's rights, which is un-Constitutional.

[Darky]

She asked them to draw something that reminds them of Christmas. To a young Christian boy, of course thinking of Christ at Christmas is obvious. And most people who think of Christ think of Him crucified.

[ECKSJAY]

The teacher should be fired for trying to usurp power that violates this child's rights, which is un-Constitutional.

x2

[themangeraaad]

She asked them to draw something that reminds them of Christmas. To a young Christian boy, of course thinking of Christ at Christmas is obvious. And most people who think of Christ think of Him crucified.
But he died on Easter :dunno:

People celebrate his birthday with a big fat man in a red suit giving out toys, and celebrate his death with a rabbit that somehow mysteriously makes chocolate eggs (I won't even begin to rationalize how or why). :laugh:

Makes perfect sense to me! :banghead:

[ECKSJAY]

I couldn't agree more. Religion has NO place in the class room.

http://www.tauntongazette.com/news/x1903566059/Taunton-second-grader-suspended-over-drawing-of-Jesus

Oh...and hotshot, it was about a 'violent' drawing, not religion. :dunce:

[SBrad001]

Oh...and hotshot, it was about a 'violent' drawing, not religion. :dunce:


Obvious troll is obvious? :D

Looks like you're the only one with critical reading comprehension skills! You get an +A. :D

[ECKSJAY]

:D:D:D

[Boatwrench]

From the article: "The boy, however, was traumatized by the incident, which made going back to school very difficult, the father said. School administrators have approved the father’s request to have the boy transferred to another elementary school in the district."


Yeah, Like transferring schools is never traumatic.

[kastein]

I was traumatized by a great variety of incidents during childhood. I thought that was called GROWING UP and LEARNING TO DEAL WITH IT.

And I came out fine :wierd:

[16guns]

Some people will look for any reason to cause an uproar. If it's ok to draw pictures containing two Mommies or two Daddies then Christ should be allowed in my opinion.

[Boatwrench]

It's called art.

[Darky]

But he died on Easter :dunno:

People celebrate his birthday with a big fat man in a red suit giving out toys, and celebrate his death with a rabbit that somehow mysteriously makes chocolate eggs (I won't even begin to rationalize how or why). :laugh:

Makes perfect sense to me! :banghead:
Actually, according to tradition, He died three days before Easter on Good Friday. Easter is the day He rose. Besides, if Jesus on the cross is what reminds the kid of Christmas, who are we to argue?

And yes, Brady, I caught onto the violent picture theme, just was fooled by your post. :D

[GSequoia]

Actually, according to tradition, He died three days before Easter on Good Friday. Easter is the day He rose. Besides, if Jesus on the cross is what reminds the kid of Christmas, who are we to argue?

I bet you he doesn't think that was a very good Friday!

[WB9YZU]

I think that as a holy day, "Bad Friday" probably wouldn't get much of a response from the pagan's they were trying to convert ;)

Ron

[kastein]

If I was a betting man I would say it probably happened on a Monday.

[Boatwrench]

It is Good Friday, because without dying on the cross & resurrecting on Easter Sunday there would be no Christianity.

So all the anti-Christians should just blame the Romans.

It could have been a Monday, but if Easter wasn't celebrated on a Sunday, Catholics would have to go to Mass twice that week.

[johndoby]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Both the free exercise clause and the establishment clause place restrictions on the government concerning laws they pass or interfering with religion. No restrictions are placed on religions except perhaps that a religious denomination cannot become the state religion.

The teacher should be fired for trying to usurp power that violates this child's rights, which is un-Constitutional.

I'm replying not in disagreement with your statement but interested in your point.

What is the law on a school's system of rules and what restrictions are on those rules? When I was in school, we couldn't wear baseball hats or tennis shoes. Do I have the constitutional right to wear a baseball hat? Is the school violating my constitutional right by not allowing me to do so? What separates these two ideals?

[cserou]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Both the free exercise clause and the establishment clause place restrictions on the government concerning laws they pass or interfering with religion. No restrictions are placed on religions except perhaps that a religious denomination cannot become the state religion.

The teacher should be fired for trying to usurp power that violates this child's rights, which is un-Constitutional.

Isn't denying him the privilege of practicing his religion on the privacy of his own paper tantamount to forcing him to practice atheism? The government is supposed to be secular, not atheist.

Also, it's a little ridiculous to suspend him for a violent picture if he didn't actually do anything violent. A word to his parent would have been more appropriate. What about having a violent thought?

[Darky]

I'm replying not in disagreement with your statement but interested in your point.

What is the law on a school's system of rules and what restrictions are on those rules? When I was in school, we couldn't wear baseball hats or tennis shoes. Do I have the constitutional right to wear a baseball hat? Is the school violating my constitutional right by not allowing me to do so? What separates these two ideals?
You have no Constitutional right to wear a baseball cap and tennis shoes, so no, no rights are being violated. Schools are allowed to enforce a dress code.

[JNickel101]

Actually, according to tradition, He died three days before Easter on Good Friday. Easter is the day He rose. Besides, if Jesus on the cross is what reminds the kid of Christmas, who are we to argue?

And yes, Brady, I caught onto the violent picture theme, just was fooled by your post. :D

If you do some reading and fact-finding, you'll learn that he was actually BORN in/around the months we call September/October - his birthday was nowhere close to being in December. Believe it was the Catholic church who moved the date to overshadow the Winter Solstice.

[JNickel101]

You have no Constitutional right to wear a baseball cap and tennis shoes, so no, no rights are being violated. Schools are allowed to enforce a dress code.

Wearing a baseball cap could constitute freedom of speech....if you really really really really want to argue it.

[Darky]

If you do some reading and fact-finding, you'll learn that he was actually BORN in/around the months we call September/October - his birthday was nowhere close to being in December. Believe it was the Catholic church who moved the date to overshadow the Winter Solstice.
Right...and this matters to the topic at hand, why? You like bringing that up, but I won't argue that Dec 25th was or wasn't the actual birthday of Jesus. :)

And I think you'd have to really really argue for freedom of speech regarding wearing a hat.

[ECKSJAY]

Nobody has mentioned the Constitutionality of a requirement to educate children.

Fascinating.

[joe_peters]

If it was a picture of (pick your favorite liberal socialist democrat theme and insert here) then there wouldn't be a problem.

Remember, education is about freedom and the open exchange of ideas--as long as those ideas conform to the liberal socialist democrat agenda.

Vote MILITIA 2010!

[kastein]

Regardless of when Jesus was born... you know why programmers confuse the day with Halloween?

oct 31 = dec 25

[SBrad001]

Regardless of when Jesus was born... you know why programmers confuse the day with Halloween?

oct 31 = dec 25


That is such a bad hexadecimal joke.

[kidarkitect]

poor kid. I'm not particularly religious and don't think religion belongs in schools. But this is Efffin ridiculous, the kid is EIGHT! Whoever suspended him needs THEIR head psychologically evaluated.

[johndoby]

You have no Constitutional right to wear a baseball cap and tennis shoes, so no, no rights are being violated. Schools are allowed to enforce a dress code.

Ok, well lets go with a Constitutional right that I know exists...lets say, the right to bear arms. I wasn't allowed a gun in school either. Were they stripping me of my constitutional rights?

By the way, I do not agree that the school was right in suspending the boy, or even agree with their "violent" description. I'm just sharing my thoughts.

[Darky]

Taking a gun to school is a vastly different concept than drawing a "violent" image or wearing a hat.

[Phil]

So would it have been ok if the kid had drawn jumping Jesus on a pogo stick?

[JNickel101]

What about Buddy Christ? Or if he drew someone else nailed to a cross...? Like, the teacher...?

[JNickel101]

She asked them to draw something that reminds them of Christmas. To a young Christian boy, of course thinking of Christ at Christmas is obvious. And most people who think of Christ think of Him crucified.

.....and you started it here! :shhh:

I was just pointing out the irony of thinking of Christ at Christmas, when he wasn't actually born then....

Really, I just like arguing with you...lol

[Boatwrench]

Religion has NO place in the class room.



What if it is a Catholic School?

[kastein]

What if it is a Catholic School?
I hear they take arithmetic skills seriously, last guy who forgot to carry a one ended up nailed to a plus sign on the wall behind the teacher

[Darky]

.....and you started it here! :shhh:

I was just pointing out the irony of thinking of Christ at Christmas, when he wasn't actually born then....

Really, I just like arguing with you...lol
I started nothing. NOTHING! ;) No, I was just pointing out the failed logic of trying to say no one should think of Christ at the holiday named for Him and celebrating his birth. Even if we don't know exactly when He was actually born, the holiday is celebrated at this time of year by tradition. And yes, I'm well aware it as situated here to overlap the Solstice (Winter not Pontiac) so as to entice more pagans in. :)

[Boatwrench]

I hear they take arithmetic skills seriously, last guy who forgot to carry a one ended up nailed to a plus sign on the wall behind the teacher

Were his eyes X'd out? because that would then be a sign of violence.

[joe_peters]

Ok, well lets go with a Constitutional right that I know exists...lets say, the right to bear arms. I wasn't allowed a gun in school either. Were they stripping me of my constitutional rights?

By the way, I do not agree that the school was right in suspending the boy, or even agree with their "violent" description. I'm just sharing my thoughts.

Yes, yes they were.

[SBrad001]

Yes, yes they were.


Children aren't allowed to vote either. Is that a Constitutional violation?

[SBrad001]

What if it is a Catholic School?

Any religion that pushes for Catholic School girl uniforms is an exception. ;)

[hiimmred]

More to the story than meets the eye's?

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/35375_Facts_Not_a_Stumbling_Block_for_Malkin

[joe_peters]

Children aren't allowed to vote either. Is that a Constitutional violation?

There are some age restrictions written into the U.S. Constitution, none that apply to the 2nd amendment.

The age and status of those eligible to vote was left to the states. Because they f***** it up the following amendments were passed:

The XIV Amendment establishes the 21 year old voting law for males--women can't vote yet. The XV amendment removes restrictions on race, color, or previous condition of servitude. The XIX Amendment removes the restriction on sex.

So, until passage of the XIV Amendment it was up to the states, and there was no U.S. Constitutional age limit set for voters.

I highly recommend you read it--the U.S. Constitution, the ultimate "Law of the Land", that document Liberal Socialist Democrat Zombies never seem to have heard of.

[Boatwrench]

More to the story than meets the eye's?

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/35375_Facts_Not_a_Stumbling_Block_for_Malkin

Maybe? How do we know the source you provide is anymore accurate?

[joe_peters]

Maybe? How do we know the source you provide is anymore accurate?

Strange, the blogger doesn't sign his/her work, or cite any sources? BS, you think--you can tell by the stink.

[hiimmred]

That seems to be a problem more and more these days, it's difficult to trust any news source. I'm really starting to hate corporate consolidation. I'm becoming much more distrustful of things than I have in the past. I just put it out there for the possibility.

[ECKSJAY]

So would it have been ok if the kid had drawn jumping Jesus on a pogo stick?

It was a burrow owl.