Do you really want her back in?---Warning, Political Thread

[rock rash]

Marilyn Musgrave, voted one of the worst congress people ever... here is the article


http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f327/nodson/10-27-12.jpg

[old_man]

Yup!

[rock rash]

please explain why. I just dont understand why...

[planefixer]

Because we're tired of the whole "Gay" issue being continuously forced on us.Kind of like forced acceptance.

[jdogg4]

I think she is nuts. They all are.

[Rev Den]

Why did you not tell us what publication that is from?

I like the part that says "as well as her push to leagalize concealled weapons". The fact that Frank and Pelosi hate her is more reason to love her.

Good luck to her.

Rev

[rock rash]

I know the publication is bias, but that does not XXXXeract the fact that she is crazy! :D




From Rolling Stone by the way, but there was a democrat mixed in the worst ever...

[XJFire]

Because we're tired of the whole "Gay" issue being continuously forced on us.Kind of like forced acceptance.

x2

[rock rash]

Because we're tired of the whole "Gay" issue being continuously forced on us.Kind of like forced acceptance.shes forcing it more than anyone..."this is the most important issue today"

[XJFire]

he means we're tired of the gays bitching about having rights and trying to be accepted. its all a big hissy fit.

[Frank Z]

its all a big sissy fit.Fixed it for ya.:D

[planefixer]

Because we're tired of the whole "Pro-Gay" issue being continuously forced on us.Kind of like forced acceptance.

Edited for clarity.

I personally think it needs to be "kept in the closet".

My $ .02

[WB9YZU]

The whole issue is being, all puns intended, stuffed down our throats.
TV is becoming more Pro-Gay and even portrays it as an acceptable lifestyle. Schools teach the kids that this is a "normal" behavior and to accept it. Where to men, or two women are together they want everyone to subsidize their healthcare and retirement benifits for a lifestyle they chose.

Sorry for being blunt, but when a Representative is put down for actually representing the wishes of the constituancy they have instead of a minority that believes we should embrase their lifestyle, that person should be supported.

You make the policy to cover the majority of the cases, not the exceptions. If you do otherwise you end up with a policy, and a department for every cause under the sun.
If we don't draw a line somewhere, what is next? Can we sue to get the Government to supply us trails, Jeeps and pay for our Jeep upgrades because this is our chosen "lifestyle" ? Now that would be fair!

Ron

[Kittrell]

Can we sue to get the Government to supply us trails, Jeeps and pay for our Jeep upgrades because this is our chosen "lifestyle" ? Now that would be fair!

Ron

I like the way you think................:D

[old_man]

Zuki-Ron for President!!!!

[XJFire]

The whole issue is being, all puns intended, stuffed down our throats.

Can we sue to get the Government to supply us trails, Jeeps and pay for our Jeep upgrades because this is our chosen "lifestyle" ? Now that would be fair!

Edited for clarity.

I personally think it needs to be "kept in the closet".

My $ .02

Bling. You guys nailed it.

[RockyCodeHead]

Thats it! I've had it!

The kids are no longer going to attend the liberal public school system!

And the only entertainment they get now (because of the pro-family environment and positive moral values) is reading Naxja!

You guys rock!

Zuki-Ron, you've got my vote! (and anyone else who's willing to venture into the cesspool that is Politics!)

[XJFire]

And here I thought nobody shared my views....

I love you guys

[old_man]

My experience is that the ones screaming for tolerance tend to be the least tolerant of others.

[rock rash]

The whole issue is being, all puns intended, stuffed down our throats.
TV is becoming more Pro-Gay and even portrays it as an acceptable lifestyle. Schools teach the kids that this is a "normal" behavior and to accept it. Where to men, or two women are together they want everyone to subsidize their healthcare and retirement benifits for a lifestyle they chose.

Sorry for being blunt, but when a Representative is put down for actually representing the wishes of the constituancy they have instead of a minority that believes we should embrase their lifestyle, that person should be supported.

You make the policy to cover the majority of the cases, not the exceptions. If you do otherwise you end up with a policy, and a department for every cause under the sun.
If we don't draw a line somewhere, what is next? Can we sue to get the Government to supply us trails, Jeeps and pay for our Jeep upgrades because this is our chosen "lifestyle" ? Now that would be fair!

Ron
youu really think it is a CHOSEN lifestyle? why would they choose tho be descriminated against...

i guess i posted this in the wrong place...im surrounded by conservatives! :D


Just to clarify, i dont mean to be a dick, or start any arguments...we just have differing opinions :cheers:

[rock rash]

Does anyone here have a friend or relative that is gay?

[XJFire]

youu really think it is a CHOSEN lifestyle? why would they choose tho be descriminated against...

To get attention, just like all the drama queens, goths, cutters, emo kids and wannabe suicide kids. They wanna be different to attract attention and feel special. And there is no way you are convincing me any dude in the whole world is born with a thirst for dick. Sorry, it just doesn't happen.


*No I don't have any gay family or friends. I have worked with them before, but honestly, who wants to hang out with someone knowing they are playing Bob the Butt Pirate with you in their mind? Not me lol...*

[old_man]

You asked the question. I may make a few enemies with this but here it goes

Yes I believe that it is a decision. Yes I believe it is wrong. Last time I checked, I am allowed to have my beliefs. "They" want to feel better about their decision, so they want my approval. Well, they are not going to get it.

[Kittrell]

Does anyone here have a relative that is gay?

They'd be disowned, dead serious.

[rock rash]

WOW...JUST WOW

[XJFire]

Yes I believe that it is a decision. Yes I believe it is wrong. Last time I checked, I am allowed to have my beliefs. "They" want to feel better about their decision, so they want my approval. Well, they are not going to get it.

Someone get this man some water, he's on fire!!!:flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame:

[NoCoastFocus]

They'd be disowned, dead serious.
That is pretty cold. Would Cheney get applauded if he turned his shoulder to his own daughter? I wonder...
I wish everyone could walk in someone elses shoes for a day, what a happier world this would be. I just hope the Constitution holds up to Americas intolerance.
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."
-Thomas Jefferson

[rock rash]

nice call there!

[XJFire]

They'd be disowned, dead serious.

I wouldn't go that far. I may not think their lifestyle isn't right, but I wouldn't disown my own family. They are still people lol.

[Powerman]

I hate that there is only 2 sides. If I don't agree I'm pro-gay. I am not pro-gay. I choose to be married to a woman. I choose not to suck #$%#%. When we got married we knew we were not having kids, yet we still get all the benifits afforded to every other family. I am NOT pro-gay. I am sick and tired of the Government telling me what I can and can't do because some idiot read it in a book somewhere. I should be free to do what ever the hell I want as long as it does not interfere with you doing the same. When was the last time you were forced to watch 2 guys have sex? When was the last time you volluntarily watch 2 girs having sex? When was the last time you were forced into a gay marriage? Nothing is being forced down your throat.
You don't want to pay taxes to support paying for someone else's lifestyle? Me niether. Churches should not be tax exempt. I should be able to buy liquer on Sunday. I should not have Christ's birthday forced on me. I am sick of loud mouth , self-righteous Christians forcing their lifestyle on me. Not all Christians, just the ones that want to replace our Bill of Rights with the 10 Commandments. The very same lifestyle that the Constitution says is my RIGHT not to participate in. But I live with it. It isn't the end of the world. I do believe in God by the way, and I choose not to participate in homosexual behaviour. That is my right.
The Government has no buisness legislating morality. They need to protect the rights of every citizen to persue happiness. They should be protecting our borders. They should be insuring our freedom at any cost. Good Lord! What got into me? Well I'm going to go watch some heterosexual porn and drink a beer. If the religious right had their way, that would be illegal too. Remember when it was? I'm going to hell for sure!

[XJFire]

You bring up alot of good points. I beleive in God too. and I drink beer and watch porn. and I have sex with my girlfriend. I don't think gays are right, but im not forcing my views on anyone. I just don't support them if they ask me to.

Well said.

[rock rash]

i hvae sex with my girlfriend...and that stuff but i dont think it is a chopice to be gay...they are how they are so i accept it...not for me but if its what they want...fine with me

[XJFire]

hey where in colorado are you from? im way too lazy to figure out your lat and long

[rock rash]

actually my location says i want to be in ireland but im up in fort collins

[XJFire]

gotcha, my girl is up there

[rock rash]

CSU?? thats where i am...well actually im chilin with freerider15 in '01 springfield drive!

[goodburbon]

We're pretty sure my little cousin is gay, we've know this since he was young. I hate to disagree with you old man, but for some it's not a choice. It's a choice of wether or not to hide the urges that they feel. Let them come out. Hell let them form civil unions, just don't call it marriage. Marriage implies a religious aspect, and the government has no business legislating religion.


By the same token it is time to revoke the so called blue laws.

[RTicUL8]

I think she is nuts. They all are.

Vote for the lesser of two nuts. :thumbup:

====

So...you need to ask yourself: does your nut perfer leaning to the left, or to the right?

[87manche]

Does anyone here have a friend or relative that is gay?
I worked with a gay guy in columbus. I honestly didn't know he was gay for 6 months, until he mentioned his boyfrend casually.
If he hadn't told me I wouldn't have known. Now, if most gays just kept it to themselves and stopped hyping the issue then no one would care.

[Reindeer]

Musgrave is behind in the polls. She does not have the support of her constituents. Social conservatives and Christian voters are abandoning the Republican party because of the many scandals.

Musgrave says that she is defending marriage, but quite the opposite is happening in Fort Collins, Colorado where her district is.
The largest threat to marriage is none other than divorce, and the largest cause of divorce is from financial stress and poverty.

Fort Collins leads the _nation_ is foreclosures of homes, and is leading Colorado in the number of divorces filed. The threat to marriage and family in Colorado is very real, but families are plunging into poverty by policy makers who are busy sending jobs overseas, closing factories and polarizing wealth by giving tax cuts only the the very wealthy. Musgrave believes that the rich are not quite rich enough. Musgrave believes that attacking a minority will change the subject and distract the voters from her dismall record. Musgrave ignores the fact that the voters are concentrating on two issues, the failed policy in Iraq, and the failed economic policies locally in her district.
Marilyn Musgrave has proven that she herself is a threat to marriage because she is a threat to prosperity for the working people of Colorado, and the voters will not let her forget it in November.
No wonder Musgrave is trying to change the subject and blame others.
I work as an election judge, and I worked the primary in August.
One woman who is a self professed lifelong Republican asked me if she could cast a blank ballot to send a message to the Republican party that she is disgusted with them. I wonder if they got that message. I sure did.
Musgrave is toast, as is Tancredo and Beauprez.

[goodburbon]

Please crawl back into the hole you have been hiding in for the past few months.

[planefixer]

Musgrave is behind in the polls. She does not have the support of her constituents. Social conservatives and Christian voters are abandoning the Republican party because of the many scandals.

Musgrave says that she is defending marriage, but quite the opposite is happening in Fort Collins, Colorado where her district is.
The largest threat to marriage is none other than divorce, and the largest cause of divorce is from financial stress and poverty.

Fort Collins leads the _nation_ is foreclosures of homes, and is leading Colorado in the number of divorces filed. The threat to marriage and family in Colorado is very real, but families are plunging into poverty by policy makers who are busy sending jobs overseas, closing factories and polarizing wealth by giving tax cuts only the the very wealthy. Musgrave believes that the rich are not quite rich enough. Musgrave believes that attacking a minority will change the subject and distract the voters from her dismall record. Musgrave ignores the fact that the voters are concentrating on two issues, the failed policy in Iraq, and the failed economic policies locally in her district.
Marilyn Musgrave has proven that she herself is a threat to marriage because she is a threat to prosperity for the working people of Colorado, and the voters will not let her forget it in November.
No wonder Musgrave is trying to change the subject and blame others.
I work as an election judge, and I worked the primary in August.
One woman who is a self professed lifelong Republican asked me if she could cast a blank ballot to send a message to the Republican party that she is disgusted with them. I wonder if they got that message. I sure did.
Musgrave is toast, as is Tancredo and Beauprez.

A lot of jobs are leaving this country,not necessarily overseas, but to other countries in this hemisphere because of good ol' Bill Clinton and NAFTA.Lets elect the Dems and watch as the largest tax increase in U.S. history happens (talk about financial stress)and the war on terror is abandoned.Lets get Ritter in office so he can set all the criminals free (as well as give free reign to all the Illegals) and take away our right to have guns.I'll admit, I'm not real happy with the Republican party right now but the moronic ideals of the Dems scares the hell out of me- they dont even have a legitimate platform to run on other than blame Bush/Repubs for everything that is wrong.I still have yet to hear one single solution/alternative from the Dems to solve any of the problems they're bitching/blaming about.They're all talk and no substance.
The future looks bright- not.

[Powerman]

If you think there is any difference between Bloods and Crips, or East or West, Or Republicans and Democrats you might want to step away from the pipe. Politicians are ploiticians. They will say what ever they need to to stay in office. Republicans are liars. They lied about the war, they lie about values all while handing out corprate wellfare and screwing their pages. Democrats are so pathetic they can't even beat that! I don't even mind all the scandles lately. It isn't republicans, it's just politicians being politicians. They are all corupt. Democrats are weenies. I could go on, but they are not in power right now. The Republican party is a joke. Conservatism is supposed to be about small government, not a religious one. Less government, free markets, idividual freedoms. Instead we have a police action in Iraq, and the man that was responsible for 9-11 is running free in Afganistan. Meanwhile the gas companys score record profits because they have a monopoly and they have not built a new refinery in 20 years to keep supply tight. Corperations get richer and Americans get poorer, and the most important issue in all this mess is 2 guys kissing, and Roe vs. Wade. And yes, the saddest thing is that the Democrats can't come up with an attractive alternative to that!

The system is self sustaining, it is not about solutuions, it's about elections. If they solved problems, what would they run on next election? Money and power, those are the only true concerns to politicians. All this crap we are arguing over is just smoke and mirrors. A big ole pacifier to keep the public distracted so they can keep playing their game. America is probably more divided now that before the Civil War. I hope this country can survive them. I know it won't change in my lifetime. And no, I am not a member of any militia.

[footdale]

A lot of jobs are leaving this country,not necessarily overseas, but to other countries in this hemisphere because of good ol' Bill Clinton and NAFTA.

So you don't think GW and the Republicans stand for a global economy including free trade??? The problem isn't Dems or Republicans, it's free trade. And the tax breaks that most of the dems complain about are the ones the make huge incentives for large corporations to send the manufacturing outside the country. Check out this article (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/28/business/main2135398.shtml) regarding the path this country is heading financially. It is not financially healthy to have the national income be less than the interest on all of our loans. That is a death spiral that millions of americans deal with their maxed out credit cards. It is a smart move by the GOP to pin it on dems to be the bad guy and roll back taxes for the TOP 2%. It has to be done otherwise we will be literally owned by China if we don't take the proper action.

[Reindeer]

A lot of jobs are leaving this country,not necessarily overseas, but to other countries in this hemisphere because of good ol' Bill Clinton and NAFTA.Lets elect the Dems and watch as the largest tax increase in U.S. history happens (talk about financial stress)and the war on terror is abandoned.Lets get Ritter in office so he can set all the criminals free (as well as give free reign to all the Illegals) and take away our right to have guns.I'll admit, I'm not real happy with the Republican party right now but the moronic ideals of the Dems scares the hell out of me- they dont even have a legitimate platform to run on other than blame Bush/Repubs for everything that is wrong.I still have yet to hear one single solution/alternative from the Dems to solve any of the problems they're bitching/blaming about.They're all talk and no substance.
The future looks bright- not.

Musgrave has not created a single bill.
Anyone can cosponsor legislation, but she has done nothing to help the poor people of Weld county, among others.
Musgrave has not secured water rights or water storage for farmers, even though experts have repeated said that this is the largest problem for farmers who are the predominant population of the eastern plains of Colorado.
Musgrave has ensured that mortgage rates have skyrocketed, pricing many right out of the American dream, thanks to her support of tax cuts to the richest people on the earth, causing the average loan buyer to compete with the federal government for loans.
It is Republicans who have raised taxes by dramatically increasing both individual debt and the government debt. Current debt for the federal government is over 9.3 TRILLION dollars, after giving the richest people on the earth the Clinton created surplus of 11.2 TRILLION dollars.
Taxes have already been raised because prices are being raised by climbing interest rates, causing the cost of money to go through the roof, increasing the poverty rate dramatically.
Clinton pulled millions of people out of poverty.
Bush/Cheney are putting millions in poverty, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of people abandoned in the Gulf Coast by a Republican congress that ended funding for the Clinton created levee project.
I am no fan of NAFTA or of the other Republican sponsored bill called the Telecommunications Act of 1996. Both were bad bills, and both have destroyed families in this country. You are under the mistaken impression that I support everything that Clinton did.
Dems will be forced to fix nearly everything, including reverse the lousy policy of letting corporations not pay anything in taxes by moving operations to the Caymans or the Bahamas or wherever. I notice that you don't mention this, and with the corporate welfare and stupid and mean spirited tax cuts to those who don't need it, the treasury is not only empty but America is deeply in debt to the communist Chinese and the Royal Sa'ud Family of Saudi Arabia.
How is it that Republicans are okay with having the communists and the wahabiist radical muslims have control over our economy? I don't get that.
Ritter has an excellent record. Denver has a high crime rate because Republicans have controlled Colorado for four decades and have destroyed the economy here causing the poor to result to selling drugs, weapons and identity theft as a way to pay the rent and get food. Democrats will have to fix that disaster as well, thanks the reckless management by Republicans.
It's Beauprez that is the criminal, illegally using a law enforcement database. Beauprez should be in jail, or out on bond for his crime. Beauprez himself voted to secure the national crime center database, and then lied about his vote. Coloradans will hold him accountable for his lies.
You have deliberately lied and skewed the Democratic Party platform.
There is no agenda for gun control as you suggest. That's a lie.
There is no agenda to raise taxes. That's already been done and is not a part of the Democratic platform. It's a big lie.
There is and agenda to START the war on terror which the Republicans have done nothing about since they let Osama bin Laden and Simon al Zawahiri escape from Tora Bora. The war in Iraq is NOT part of the war on terror, it is a distraction and deliberate chaos to keep global corporatists in power one year before a national election. Now that the American people know that the Bush crime family lied about the reasons for going to war and lied about the ties to al Qaida, it's over. You Republicans have also lost based on severe levels of corruption, perversion and cover ups. You have dozens of people in high leadership that are either in jail, in drug or alcohol rehab, on the take, or under indictment or investigation.
It's over for Republicans, and I along with millions am going to laugh my ass off when you all lose the House and lose control over government.
Once that happens, we are going to send all of the crooks to jail and start the process of fixing the unbelievable disaster that Republicans have caused, and then rebuild the Republic. If you don't know about the Democratic Party platform, it's because you can't read or want to lie about it. It's been published for quite awhile now. Read it if you can.

http://democrats.org/agenda.html

In stark contrast, the Republicans have reneged on every single part of the Contract On America:

http://www.house.gov/house/Contract/CONTRACT.html

The only part of this comprehensive Republican lie is that Republicans AND Democrats passed the COPA or Child Online Protection Act, parts of which were deemed unconstitutional and unenforceable because of the vague and overbroad language of the bill, and the first amendment right. The bill wanted to censor certain words like "breast" from being allowed online, which would have meant that women who are facing breast cancer would be barred from that information. The conservative high court threw that part out. The other parts stand, which is a good thing since it will most likely send Mark Foley to prison when Democrats regain power.

Every other provision of this broken campaign promise has been flagrantly abused.

"FIRST, require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply equally to the Congress;"

Then Tom Delay should be in jail, along with Bob Beauprez, Mark Foley, Bob Ney, Ralph Reed, and many many others. The Contract On America is a joke and a nation disgrace. You had your chance. You had more than a decade. It's over.

[Reindeer]

Projected New House:
230 Democrats
203 Republicans
2 Ties

[Rev Den]

Here we go again....the incoherent paranoid ramblings of a non-member who only visits us once in a great will to stir up crap.

What a moron.

No Reindeer I will not debate you because you seem to think that everything that someone points out to you that does not fit with your skewed way of thinking is a lie.

But keep posting...I find your little outbursts enjoyable.

I will now standby and wait for your predictable response while we continue to poke fun at you in the members area.

:D


Rev

[planefixer]

It's over for Republicans, and I along with millions am going to laugh my ass off when you all lose the House and lose control over government.


If this rings true then I guess its "our" turn to sit back,criticize,and point fingers- yet offer no solutions.

Unemployment is at an all time low,the stock market is at record highs so how bad is the economy???
If you and your lefty brethern have some remedies for the "aweful state of the nation" then lets hear them.So far I've heard/seen/read NOTHING.Maybe if as much time and effort was spent on solutions as is spent on criticism and finger pointing things would improve.If the Dems do take over they better do something as far as improvement goes because they will be under a microscope after all the loud-mouth politics they've been practicing.

[Powerman]

I'm going to say a couple of things and do everyone a favor and shut up. Planefixer, nothing personal. We probably have more in common than it appears. Other than the fact that you are a Blood, and if you forced me to choose between the 2 I would have to go Crip. I felt a need to say that since you have a gun with a scope and I don't.:D

It's election time and I get suckered into these stupid debates. My opinions are meaningless except to me. The issues are errelavent. I'm really frustrated with our leadership. Both parties. I would love to do away with the 2 party system. I think it is safe to say that we can all agree on some issues. I want to be prosperous. I want the freedom to make my own destiny. I want my tax dollars spent wisely. ( I would even be willing to pay more if I could count on that) I want affordable healthcare and a good retirment plan. I HAVE the right to protect my family and my home. I want my borders to be secure and to be able to help our niegbours if needed. I want to do my part to keep this incredible country going. If we could agree on those things, maybe we could make some progress.

Instead what do we have. Oral sex in the White House. A crack head for a D.C. Mayor. Enron. Katrina. Iraq. Haliburton. Exxon. Foley. Abramoff. The National deficit......Oh ya, and as the only standing superpower, and leader of the free world, half the World despises us. But let's not talk about that. Let's all be outraged, pro or con, about two guys kissing and wether or not they can get married. It's so rediculous!

I believe this country is being run in to the ground by our politicains. I beleived we have lost our morals and values. The Religious Right is the last place to go look for them. I think greed has taken over. I know with our form of Government that there will always be some corruption, but it has gotten really bad. But I'm just an idiot with an opinion. Oh ya, and this is a Jeep club. My bad, I forgot.

[Powerman]

Musgrave has not created a single bill.
Anyone can cosponsor legislation, but she has done nothing to help the poor people of Weld county, among others.
Musgrave has not secured water rights or water storage for farmers, even though experts have repeated said that this is the largest problem for farmers who are the predominant population of the eastern plains of Colorado.
Musgrave has ensured that mortgage rates have skyrocketed, pricing many right out of the American dream, thanks to her support of tax cuts to the richest people on the earth, causing the average loan buyer to compete with the federal government for loans.
It is Republicans who have raised taxes by dramatically increasing both individual debt and the government debt. Current debt for the federal government is over 9.3 TRILLION dollars, after giving the richest people on the earth the Clinton created surplus of 11.2 TRILLION dollars.
Taxes have already been raised because prices are being raised by climbing interest rates, causing the cost of money to go through the roof, increasing the poverty rate dramatically.
Clinton pulled millions of people out of poverty.
Bush/Cheney are putting millions in poverty, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of people abandoned in the Gulf Coast by a Republican congress that ended funding for the Clinton created levee project.
I am no fan of NAFTA or of the other Republican sponsored bill called the Telecommunications Act of 1996. Both were bad bills, and both have destroyed families in this country. You are under the mistaken impression that I support everything that Clinton did.
Dems will be forced to fix nearly everything, including reverse the lousy policy of letting corporations not pay anything in taxes by moving operations to the Caymans or the Bahamas or wherever. I notice that you don't mention this, and with the corporate welfare and stupid and mean spirited tax cuts to those who don't need it, the treasury is not only empty but America is deeply in debt to the communist Chinese and the Royal Sa'ud Family of Saudi Arabia.
How is it that Republicans are okay with having the communists and the wahabiist radical muslims have control over our economy? I don't get that.
Ritter has an excellent record. Denver has a high crime rate because Republicans have controlled Colorado for four decades and have destroyed the economy here causing the poor to result to selling drugs, weapons and identity theft as a way to pay the rent and get food. Democrats will have to fix that disaster as well, thanks the reckless management by Republicans.
It's Beauprez that is the criminal, illegally using a law enforcement database. Beauprez should be in jail, or out on bond for his crime. Beauprez himself voted to secure the national crime center database, and then lied about his vote. Coloradans will hold him accountable for his lies.
You have deliberately lied and skewed the Democratic Party platform.
There is no agenda for gun control as you suggest. That's a lie.
There is no agenda to raise taxes. That's already been done and is not a part of the Democratic platform. It's a big lie.
There is and agenda to START the war on terror which the Republicans have done nothing about since they let Osama bin Laden and Simon al Zawahiri escape from Tora Bora. The war in Iraq is NOT part of the war on terror, it is a distraction and deliberate chaos to keep global corporatists in power one year before a national election. Now that the American people know that the Bush crime family lied about the reasons for going to war and lied about the ties to al Qaida, it's over. You Republicans have also lost based on severe levels of corruption, perversion and cover ups. You have dozens of people in high leadership that are either in jail, in drug or alcohol rehab, on the take, or under indictment or investigation.
It's over for Republicans, and I along with millions am going to laugh my ass off when you all lose the House and lose control over government.
Once that happens, we are going to send all of the crooks to jail and start the process of fixing the unbelievable disaster that Republicans have caused, and then rebuild the Republic. If you don't know about the Democratic Party platform, it's because you can't read or want to lie about it. It's been published for quite awhile now. Read it if you can.

http://democrats.org/agenda.html

In stark contrast, the Republicans have reneged on every single part of the Contract On America:

http://www.house.gov/house/Contract/CONTRACT.html

The only part of this comprehensive Republican lie is that Republicans AND Democrats passed the COPA or Child Online Protection Act, parts of which were deemed unconstitutional and unenforceable because of the vague and overbroad language of the bill, and the first amendment right. The bill wanted to censor certain words like "breast" from being allowed online, which would have meant that women who are facing breast cancer would be barred from that information. The conservative high court threw that part out. The other parts stand, which is a good thing since it will most likely send Mark Foley to prison when Democrats regain power.

Every other provision of this broken campaign promise has been flagrantly abused.

"FIRST, require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply equally to the Congress;"

Then Tom Delay should be in jail, along with Bob Beauprez, Mark Foley, Bob Ney, Ralph Reed, and many many others. The Contract On America is a joke and a nation disgrace. You had your chance. You had more than a decade. It's over.

Wow, for a moment there I was actually speechless. I'll say it out loud. I voted for Kerry, only because he wasn't Bush. I took a shower when I got home. It's people like you that enabled a draft dodger to beat a war hero in a time of war! You give Blue a bad name.

Musgrave, all by herself, made morgage rates SKYROCKET? Again, speechless.

And speaking as a FORMER drug addict, are you on crack? I have bought and sold a lot of dope, and I can guarantee you it wasn't so I could pay rent. I did it to get high, PERIOD. This is one of the problems I hate about being lumped into being a liberal. No personal responsibility. The only people to blame for drug use, and crimes are drug addicts and criminals, PERIOD. It's a choice. I chose to grow up. The only one to blame for my bad choices was me. I really can't stand that about bleeding heart liberals.

That's it, I'm done. I'm not Red or Blue. Call me Barney, I want to be Purple.

[Rev Den]

. But I'm just an idiot with an opinion.

No....you are a rational person with an opinon.

To see the type you describe look at the posts by Mr. Deer. :D

Rev

[jrsxj98]

All I have to say is I vote my pocket book. How can someone set there and tell me that Republicans are good for the middle class family. Bush's precious tax cuts really only help big business, or people in the upper 10 % of the tax tier, that is if you make million+. Not to mention we are now a debtor (that means we borrowed money, for some of the people around here) to almost every other country in the world. All I can say is I am sick and tired of hearing how the war on terror is a winning battle. Now dont get me wrong I am greatfull to all the soldiers who put their lives on the line day in and day out, but we should not be over there PERIOD. This war will never end. They were fighting before we were there and they will be fighting long after you and I are gone. The people who could have made a change in Iraq are either dead or have sold out to the radicals.

Thats all I am gonna really say on this cause debating politics really is like the war in Iraq. A no win situation.

But be warned this thread is being watched so tow the line or it will be locked.

[xj-grin]

That's it, I'm done. I'm not Red or Blue. Call me Barney, I want to be Purple.

I may finally have a signature... I knew there was a reason I liked you Dirt.;)

[rock rash]

I'm going to say a couple of things and do everyone a favor and shut up. Planefixer, nothing personal. We probably have more in common than it appears. Other than the fact that you are a Blood, and if you forced me to choose between the 2 I would have to go Crip. I felt a need to say that since you have a gun with a scope and I don't.:D

It's election time and I get suckered into these stupid debates. My opinions are meaningless except to me. The issues are errelavent. I'm really frustrated with our leadership. Both parties. I would love to do away with the 2 party system. I think it is safe to say that we can all agree on some issues. I want to be prosperous. I want the freedom to make my own destiny. I want my tax dollars spent wisely. ( I would even be willing to pay more if I could count on that) I want affordable healthcare and a good retirment plan. I HAVE the right to protect my family and my home. I want my borders to be secure and to be able to help our niegbours if needed. I want to do my part to keep this incredible country going. If we could agree on those things, maybe we could make some progress.

Instead what do we have. Oral sex in the White House. A crack head for a D.C. Mayor. Enron. Katrina. Iraq. Haliburton. Exxon. Foley. Abramoff. The National deficit......Oh ya, and as the only standing superpower, and leader of the free world, half the World despises us. But let's not talk about that. Let's all be outraged, pro or con, about two guys kissing and wether or not they can get married. It's so rediculous!

I believe this country is being run in to the ground by our politicains. I beleived we have lost our morals and values. The Religious Right is the last place to go look for them. I think greed has taken over. I know with our form of Government that there will always be some corruption, but it has gotten really bad. But I'm just an idiot with an opinion. Oh ya, and this is a Jeep club. My bad, I forgot.
I couldnat have said it better myself...there are too many things going on in the world right now to make gay marriage the top priority on peoples list. My views are more liberal but i refuse to be labeled a democrat and I am not a republican either. I do not like either term since there are idiots in both categories...

[Powerman]

I may finally have a signature... I knew there was a reason I liked you Dirt.;)

goodbourbon was right. Spew out enough crap and eventually you hit something sig worthy. Sweet!

[Powerman]

Thats all I am gonna really say on this cause debating politics really is like the war in Iraq. A no win situation.

But be warned this thread is being watched so tow the line or it will be locked.

Don't worry, I got nothin' but love for my Red, Blue, G.L.B.T-G. brothers and sisters:party: lastara

http://www.accesswave.ca/~shawnbrockley/retard.jpg

All I have to say about that is, I'm not wetodid, I'm spethal and God lubs me!

[planefixer]

Don't worry, I got nothin' but love for my Red, Blue, G.L.B.T-G. brothers and sisters:party: lastara

http://www.accesswave.ca/~shawnbrockley/retard.jpg

All I have to say about that is, I'm not wetodid, I'm spethal and God lubs me!

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :cheers:

[Reindeer]

My comments in italics
Here is the BIG REPUBLICAN LIE of 1994, aka "The Contract With America":
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REPUBLICAN CONTRACT WITH AMERICA
As Republican Members of the House of Representatives and as citizens seeking to join that body we propose not just to change its policies, but even more important, to restore the bonds of trust between the people and their elected representatives.

That is why, in this era of official evasion and posturing, we offer instead a detailed agenda for national renewal, a written commitment with no fine print.

This year's election offers the chance, after four decades of one-party control, to bring to the House a new majority that will transform the way Congress works. That historic change would be the end of government that is too big, too intrusive, and too easy with the public's money. It can be the beginning of a Congress that respects the values and shares the faith of the American family.

Like Lincoln, our first Republican president, we intend to act "with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right." To restore accountability to Congress. To end its cycle of scandal and disgrace. To make us all proud again of the way free people govern themselves.

On the first day of the 104th Congress, the new Republican majority will immediately pass the following major reforms, aimed at restoring the faith and trust of the American people in their government:

* FIRST, require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply equally to the Congress;
* SECOND, select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse;
* THIRD, cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third;
* FOURTH, limit the terms of all committee chairs;
* FIFTH, ban the casting of proxy votes in committee;
* SIXTH, require committee meetings to be open to the public;
* SEVENTH, require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase;
* EIGHTH, guarantee an honest accounting of our Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.

Thereafter, within the first 100 days of the 104th Congress, we shall bring to the House Floor the following bills, each to be given full and open debate, each to be given a clear and fair vote and each to be immediately available this day for public inspection and scrutiny.

1. THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY ACT: A balanced budget/tax limitation amendment and a legislative line-item veto to restore fiscal responsibility to an out- of-control Congress, requiring them to live under the same budget constraints as families and businesses.

Ha! Fiscal what? Republicans have proved that they cannot be trusted with public money, period. Spending is WAY out of control and revenues are nearly non-existent due to tax cuts to the richest people on earth. They took an 11 trillion surplus and spent that, and then created a 9.3 trillion deficit which has caused major borrowing from our enemies. National security risk.

2. THE TAKING BACK OUR STREETS ACT: An anti-crime package including stronger truth-in- sentencing, "good faith" exclusionary rule exemptions, effective death penalty provisions, and cuts in social spending from this summer's "crime" bill to fund prison construction and additional law enforcement to keep people secure in their neighborhoods and kids safe in their schools.

Thanks to a lack of funding for first responders, especially police, and a rise in poverty levels due to reckless fiscal policy, crime is on the rise in many areas. Building prisons in not the answer. Providing more police is the answer to protecting citizens. Clinton's C.O.P.S program proved that by reducing crime. The death penalty has not been widely adopted as it flies in the face of the tenets of Christianity, a faith that Republicans falsely claim to represent.

3. THE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY ACT: Discourage illegitimacy and teen pregnancy by prohibiting welfare to minor mothers and denying increased AFDC for additional children while on welfare, cut spending for welfare programs, and enact a tough two-years-and-out provision with work requirements to promote individual responsibility.

Teen pregnancy is on the rise thanks to efforts to kill education that would prevent pregnancy. Teen pregnancies and abortions were both on the decline under Clinton's time in office due to education regarding sex and pregnancy. Republicans are hipocrits here, saying that they want to end abortions on the one hand, and creating the very climate for an increased number of abortions on the other. Increases in poverty and crimes involving rape have made the abortion rate go up.
Reform of welfare was a bipartisan effort that Clinton signed and Democrats co-sponsored and co-authored.

4. THE FAMILY REINFORCEMENT ACT: Child support enforcement, tax incentives for adoption, strengthening rights of parents in their children's education, stronger child pornography laws, and an elderly dependent care tax credit to reinforce the central role of families in American society.

Americans of the lower and middle income classes are bearing the brunt of the tax burden while corporations and the ultra wealthy pay nothing or next to nothing. The tax system that Republicans have created is completely and totally unfair and it has emptied the Treasury and bankrupted the nation. How can a family adopt a baby if they can't pay the bills? The Republicans recently eliminated a tax on dividend income, which makes the rich even richer. If you don't have enough money to afford to enter the stock market then you get stuck with the tax bill, but if you are wealthy then you get to avoid paying taxes on investments. This is not the way to help families. It's a big lie.

5. THE AMERICAN DREAM RESTORATION ACT: A S500 per child tax credit, begin repeal of the marriage tax penalty, and creation of American Dream Savings Accounts to provide middle class tax relief.

Where are these mythical "American Dream Savings Accounts"?
See the above comments for how this is completely and totally irrelevant and unfair.

6. THE NATIONAL SECURITY RESTORATION ACT: No U.S. troops under U.N. command and restoration of the essential parts of our national security funding to strengthen our national defense and maintain our credibility around the world.

National security has been a failure, and we were hit because the Bush Administration failed to act on intelligence that warned about planes flying into buildings. Bosnia now has a democracy without losing a single US soldier, but the Republicans were against going in to the region, and against helping stop the violence in Bosnia. The people in powere now have not served in the military, save Rumsfeld. We are more at risk now than ever by the Bush admininstration creating terrorists, and we have been hit in Damascus since 9/11, on US soil. The credibility of our government is shot to hell.

7. THE SENIOR CITIZENS FAIRNESS ACT: Raise the Social Security earnings limit which currently forces seniors out of the work force, repeal the 1993 tax hikes on Social Security benefits and provide tax incentives for private long-term care insurance to let Older Americans keep more of what they have earned over the years.

Ha! The American people resoundingly rejected the neocon plan to rob the social security fund and swindle them out of their earnings, even after the amazing 60 stop tour on air force one at taxpayer expense. The feeble attempts to rook seniors by privatizing their income and destroy the New Deal has failed. Seniors are facing huge cuts to Medicare. Drug companies have received a windfall by convincing crooked Republicans to limit the access that seniors have to affordable drugs. Remember the speech where Bush likened Canada to a "third world"? More lies at the expense of seniors. They weren't fooled. Americans are losing ground in earnings, and prices are going through the roof, especially energy prices.

8. THE JOB CREATION AND WAGE ENHANCEMENT ACT: Small business incentives, capital gains cut and indexation, neutral cost recovery, risk assessment/cost-benefit analysis, strengthening the Regulatory Flexibility Act and unfunded mandate reform to create jobs and raise worker wages.

This is a jobless economy. The Republicans under Bush have a dismal record of job creation. Republicans have removed the small business zone incentives, contrary to their promise. Capital gains cuts only help the already wealthy. Workers wages are stagnant or are losing ground. Many people are working two and three jobs to make ends meet. Remember when Bush interviewed a lady and she said that she had "three jobs", and Bush laughed and said "Good for you", and that she was "uniquely American".

9. THE COMMON SENSE LEGAL REFORM ACT: "Loser pays" laws, reasonable limits on punitive damages and reform of product liability laws to stem the endless tide of litigation.

The "endless tide of litigation" is a myth not backed up by facts. There is no evidence to support this vague claim. It is unconstitutional to prevent the right of people to bring grievances to government.

10. THE CITIZEN LEGISLATURE ACT: A first-ever vote on term limits to replace career politicians with citizen legislators.

Where is this? This was never even addressed. Another lie.

Further, we will instruct the House Budget Committee to report to the floor and we will work to enact additional budget savings, beyond the budget cuts specifically included in the legislation described above, to ensure that the Federal budget deficit will be less than it would have been without the enactment of these bills.

Where is this? It never happened.

Respecting the judgment of our fellow citizens as we seek their mandate for reform, we hereby pledge our names to this Contract with America.
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The Republicans instead have brought us the most corrupt congress ever in our nation's history, and that's saying a lot. Republicans were posturing and blaming then, and they are posturing and blaming now, so nothing has changed. Most of the promises were never addressed, or were unconstitutional or violated law.
The Republicans have brought you the largest bribery and corruption scandal in the history of America. They have undermined the ethics process and thwarted investigations into known wrongdoing. The have not implemented most of the 9/11 commision reforms, and in fact actively resisted investigating the most important terror incident of our time. Even the second report on 9/11 has not been delieverd as was promised.
Of these many promised Republican only reforms, only COPA and the so called Tort Reform were passed, with much of both thrown out by justice as being unconstitutional, which tells you how little respect the Republicans have for the law. Neither product liability limits or caps on awards were passed.

Secret closed door meetings, secret energy policy meetings in violation of the law and of their posturing promises, preventing legal votes by voting in the middle of the night, holding votes open in violation of House rules, a fiscal policy of spending that is reckless and which is bankrupting our nation raising prices and taxes. The list of offenses is far too long and too big for this forum.
Poverty on the increase, increasing crime, while both police and homeland security budgets are either slashed or are non-existant, forcing states to sue the federal government for creating huge government agencies without a dime in funding. No Child Left Behind has caused the state of Utah to sue the federal government for not funding the mandate.
Education funding slashed, especially for higher education, forcing prices higher for school and forcing millions out of the dream of attending college.

And where is the independent auditing firm? Were they refering to Arthur Anderson? Non-existent.
Conservatives say that they want government "small enough to drown in a bathtub" (Grover Nordquist), but have instead created the largest most unweildy government in our nation's history, with a government that cannot move to help victims of the nation's largest natural disaster in the Gulf Coast.
They have created a national policy that allows for genocide to continue in Darfur. Why are the Republicans who say that they are helping Christians not helping Christians who are being massacred in Darfur? If that is not a holy war, then I don't know what is.
The bottom line is that Republicans had a dozen years to get these ideas done. They could have done it handily in the last 6 years as they control government and have shut Democrats out of the process entirely. Not one single Democratic bill has made it out of committee. Not one. Now THAT'S partisanship, and it's not what the Democrats will do in kind when they regain power. Only Republicans are that corrupt.

To date, of more than ten ideas, Republicans have implemented only part of two of these, and in a way that violates the Constitution. Further, the Republicans have recently passed a bill that removes habeus corpus which removes the Bill of Rights from our Constitution. They have shredded the very founding documents that are the basis for our democracy.

[mingo]

I wish we could have a Jeep Forum without all of the political crap thrown in here.

[Powerman]

That is certainly a compelling argument. You obviously put a lot of time and consideration into it. Keep us posted on how that all works out for you. It must drive the ladies crazy. Just remember one thing...

I lub you and God does too.

[Rev Den]

Just when I thought he left.....

:D


Rev

[planefixer]

Reindeer I'm still waiting to hear some SOLUTIONS
Yet you're just doing what all good Dems/Libs do and spewing more criticizm without solving any problems that you're bitching about.

If you or your ilk have any good answers to problems I'm all for hearing them...:eeks1:

[Powerman]

Reindeer I'm still waiting to hear some SOLUTIONS
Yet you're just doing what all good Dems/Libs do and spewing more criticizm without solving any problems that you're bitching about.

If you or your ilk have any good answers to problems I'm all for hearing them...:eeks1:

Come on now Fixer, Rush Limbaugh has made millions doing exactly the same thing to Dems. I heard nothing but the same thing the whole time Clinton was in office. If you are waiting for solutions, does that mean you at least agree that there are problems? I say that respectfully, oh one with big arsenal.:D

[rock rash]

I wish we could have a Jeep Forum without all of the political crap thrown in here.i warned ya! :D

[mingo]

i warned ya! :D

Let me rephrase that.
I wish that we could have a good political discussion thread without all the finger pointing and tote-the-party-line crap. In our Jeep Forum.

[planefixer]

Come on now Fixer, Rush Limbaugh has made millions doing exactly the same thing to Dems. I heard nothing but the same thing the whole time Clinton was in office. If you are waiting for solutions, does that mean you at least agree that there are problems? I say that respectfully, oh one with big arsenal.:D

I do agree that there are problems and some things need to be "fixed".I just get tired of hearing nothing but criticism insted of problem solving.;)

[Reindeer]

Reindeer I'm still waiting to hear some solutions.
... If you or your ilk have any good answers to problems I'm all for hearing them...
Planefixer,
I don't have "ilk". Heh.
You have trouble reading or "hearing".
Democrats have only good answers. Republicans have proved that they have lip service and corruption while the Republic burns.
I already posted the Democratic agenda, but since you can't read or follow a link, or in fact think coherently, I don't know how to help you be smarter, as it's apparently all you can do to insult me and spread lies.
That is apparently all you are capable of. How pathetic.

http://democrats.org/agenda.html

It has six main points and four other points. It's been published for quite a while. Apparently Rush Limpwad didn't tell you about it, and you don't read a real newspaper or keep up with the news. I'll bet that you know all about how Rush mocked Michael J. Fox and everyone who has parkinson's and how that went.

You will have to follow the link to get the details as much of the page is done in images instead of just ASCII text. I doubt that you will read it,as you are filled with fear brought to you by a failed Republican party that is only blaming others instead of getting their agenda done.
You might want to look at it just to find out what's coming, because it's coming according to every poll that matters.
No doubt you will continue to do what a dwindling minority of Republican loyalists do and continue to ignore the facts and the reality of the situation. The House is lost to Republicans, possibly the Senate. Once Dubya is seen for the lame duck that he is, he will be replaced with a liberal Democrat as well. Reclaiming the judiciary will take longer, but they have already shown that much of what has been done by Republicans is unconstitutional. Hopefully the Democrats will obtain enough seats to overturn a veto and show that the American people are back in control.

updated predictions:

House:
Democrats 239
Republicans 195
Ties 1

Senate:
Democrats 50
Republicans 50

[riverfever]

I really don't believe that being gay is a decision that is made by anyone. Exactly when did you all decide to become heterosexual? I dont recall making the decision to be exclusively with women at any point in my life. I've worked with tons of little ones in "the system" that are extremely effeminant and have not had the exposure to the real world to base those decisions on. I've seen some of them in their older years now and they live a homosexual lifestyle. It could definitely be argued that facilities can sometimes be a breeding ground for homosexuality but that's a different discussion.

I just don't see the big deal with allowing gay couples to have the same rights that I have as a heterosexual male. If I were sick and in the hospital I would definitely want my future wife to be there with me. Why, just because someone is gay, can't their partner be afforded the same fawkin' courtesy? It doesn't change my life in the least if they are.

I know several gay people and a few couples (guys and gals) from back home. I definitely don't know any here. Woodland Park is so fawkin close-minded and I don't get anywhere else enough but I'm certain that Springs is the same.

Along the same lines, I think it sucks that politics gets involved with the education of our youth. My district cut out the health curriculum entirely. We contracted out some BS organization to come in and do a week long sex ed. clinic where abstinence was the only thing taught or you go straight to hell. How is that education?

[Powerman]

I do agree that there are problems and some things need to be "fixed".I just get tired of hearing nothing but criticism insted of problem solving.;)

Then start being part of the solution. The problem isn't us, it's Washington. Clintons biggest mission was to reform healthcare, but he couldn't get it done. The Republicans had a great idea with their Contract, but didn't get it done. Osama Bin Laden is still not done. Senator McCain get up in front of cameras every year and points out all the pork and waste. He is a respected war hero and he can't do anything about it. It's rediculous. He has shouted about campaign finance reform for years, nothing. Washington is the problem.

Let's reform campaign financing. Let's reform health care. Let's give the President line item veto power. Lets stop all the pork attatched to every bill that's passed. Let have a flat rate income tax across the board. Everyone pays the same, no exceptions. Let's stop corprate wellfare. Can you belive we gave tax money to the oil companies in this time of record profit? Let's curtail the power of the lobyists. Let's do something about the rampant corruption. There are plenty of things to do, plenty of ideas, plenty of solutions. Nothing will ever change with what we have sitting in Washington right now. Every year we have the same delima. Trying to fingure out who is going to screw up the country the least, instead of figuring out who is going to take us the farthest. I wish we could fire everyone of them and start over.

[Powerman]

Serious Reindeer, please calm down on the extremeism. If others don't want to read the thread, they don't have to click on it. We are having a decent discussion here and if it continues to be so personal we are going to have the thread deleted. I know we all have been going back and forth, but I'm sure we are about to cross the line. Can we just agree to disagree?

I still lub you:loveu:

[planefixer]

Planefixer,
I don't have "ilk". Heh.
You have trouble reading or "hearing".
Democrats have only good answers. Republicans have proved that they have lip service and corruption while the Republic burns.
I already posted the Democratic agenda, but since you can't read or follow a link, or in fact think coherently, I don't know how to help you be smarter, as it's apparently all you can do to insult me and spread lies.
That is apparently all you are capable of. How pathetic.



First of all I suggest you s#!tcan the personal attack.I can read and I can think coherantly-You dont know me so how dare you question my thinking ability or reading comprehension,you crossed the line with that little excerpt.You say I insulted you- when?If using the words "ilk" or"lefty brethern" is insulting you then you need to grow a thicker skin.I haven't questioned your intelligence or reading ability or anything along those lines,in fact I've been very careful to avoid personal attacks on you (or anyone else) this entire thread, so why do you feel the need to do it to me.Dems/Libs are always preaching tolerance yet you seem to have become intolerant of my OPINIONS- which makes you a hypocrite in my eyes (If you're true to your obvious liberal beliefs).
I did read the Dems plan at the link you posted and you know what, I read it with the same attitude you've displayed (very one-sided).All I saw was propoganda.It sounds real nice on paper but I'll believe it when I see it I see it happen.You go on about all the corrupt Repubs- just remember the last Dem we had in the White House was too busy covering his ass from one scandal to next to be any kind of effective President- he just rode on Reagan's coattails.

Once again, the personal attacks stop or the thread gets deleted.If you cant control your emotions and anger then stop posting in this thread.

[Rev Den]

Wait!

I insulted him....Planefixer are you taking credit for my insults?

the guy is a 'tard, pure a simple. Unable to debate as an adult he simply calls anything he disagrees with a "lie", and blames all his poor luck on Republicans and conservatives.....they are out to get him you know. :D

Rev

[planefixer]

Then start being part of the solution. The problem isn't us, it's Washington. Clintons biggest mission was to reform healthcare, but he couldn't get it done. The Republicans had a great idea with their Contract, but didn't get it done. Osama Bin Laden is still not done. Senator McCain get up in front of cameras every year and points out all the pork and waste. He is a respected war hero and he can't do anything about it. It's rediculous. He has shouted about campaign finance reform for years, nothing. Washington is the problem.

Let's reform campaign financing. Let's reform health care. Let's give the President line item veto power. Lets stop all the pork attatched to every bill that's passed. Let have a flat rate income tax across the board. Everyone pays the same, no exceptions. Let's stop corprate wellfare. Can you belive we gave tax money to the oil companies in this time of record profit? Let's curtail the power of the lobyists. Let's do something about the rampant corruption. There are plenty of things to do, plenty of ideas, plenty of solutions. Nothing will ever change with what we have sitting in Washington right now. Every year we have the same delima. Trying to fingure out who is going to screw up the country the least, instead of figuring out who is going to take us the farthest. I wish we could fire everyone of them and start over.

Kev, as amazingly as it may sound, I agree with many of your ideas- especially firing ALL (Dems and Repubs) the self-serving politicians.:thumbup:

[planefixer]

Wait!

I insulted him....Planefixer are you taking credit for my insults?

the guy is a 'tard, pure a simple. Unable to debate as an adult he simply calls anything he disagrees with a "lie", and blames all his poor luck on Republicans and conservatives.....they are out to get him you know. :D

Rev

Nah Rev, the credit is all yours.:D

He attacked me, so-as much as I wanted to tear him a new one- I semi- politely responded.I'm not going to stoop to his level.

[riverfever]

LOUD...........NOISES!!!!!!!!!!


http://i11.tinypic.com/40p7w4k.jpg

[Powerman]

LOUD...........NOISES!!!!!!!!!!


http://i11.tinypic.com/40p7w4k.jpg

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: That's what I'm talking about Fever. You crack me up!!!

[jrsxj98]

Ok children Enough personal attacks. If we cant debate this like adults (Mr. Deer) and others this thread will go bye-bye. How did I know this was gonna happen as soon as this thread popped up. Oh wait its called Edrama.. apparantly this place cant go with out it. So play like good little boys and girls please.


As for each parties agenda or propaganda or whatever you want to call it. It is usually the people who sit on their butts and dont vote who are always bitching. If your a Rep. and want to vote straight ticket do so, if you a dem and want to vote straight ticket do so. If you really want to make a impact take a long look at the canidates and the issues they back and vote from there. I for one vote for my pocket book, and the education my children are gonna recieve, I feel the politicians should stay out of the class rooms and let the teachers do what they are trained to do, thats one reason I support Ritter, he is a backer of the public education system and middle class labor. Beauprex is a hard core charter school backer and wants to tell school districts where to spend there money and how to educate, he also supports big business.

[riverfever]

This is the one I REALLY wanted to post but I could only find this little rinky dink pic.

Just not the same.

http://i11.tinypic.com/435wf4j.jpg

[riverfever]

I knew there was a reason why I signed that memo the way I did. :D


Ok children Enough personal attacks. If we cant debate this like adults (Mr. Deer) and others this thread will go bye-bye. How did I know this was gonna happen as soon as this thread popped up. Oh wait its called Edrama.. apparantly this place cant go with out it. So play like good little boys and girls please.


As for each parties agenda or propaganda or whatever you want to call it. It is usually the people who sit on their butts and dont vote who are always bitching. If your a Rep. and want to vote straight ticket do so, if you a dem and want to vote straight ticket do so. If you really want to make a impact take a long look at the canidates and the issues they back and vote from there. I for one vote for my pocket book, and the education my children are gonna recieve, I feel the politicians should stay out of the class rooms and let the teachers do what they are trained to do, thats one reason I support Ritter, he is a backer of the public education system and middle class labor. Beauprex is a hard core charter school backer and wants to tell school districts where to spend there money and how to educate, he also supports big business.

[Powerman]

Kev, as amazingly as it may sound, I agree with many of your ideas- especially firing ALL (Dems and Repubs) the self-serving politicians.:thumbup:

Are you breathing Fixer, you look a little pale. I think you are turning blue! It's all good in the hood Bro. If the terrorists come here your house is the first place I'm going. Gun nuts do have some value. See how openminded and tolerant I am?:D :D :D

[planefixer]

Voting early- tomorrow on my lunch break.:thumbup:

No matter which party you support, everybody get to the polls and VOTE:us:


Dirt, its all good.:D

River, answer your phone.

[riverfever]

I found this pic to be quite humorous as I perused Yahoo Images. Anyone else concur? Anyone else wanna fight about it with a skinny guy?

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didn't think so

[jrsxj98]

Oh and one other thing If you dont get and vote on the issues you support, and just set at home and bitch. YOU DESERVE WHAT EVER GOVERNMENT YOU GET!

[Reindeer]

I feel the politicians should stay out of the class rooms and let the teachers do what they are trained to do, thats one reason I support Ritter, he is a backer of the public education system and middle class labor. Beauprex is a hard core charter school backer and wants to tell school districts where to spend there money and how to educate, he also supports big business.
Well said.
I wish that Colorado could get back the money that Governor Owens and the Republican "leadership" wasted by trying to pass an unconstitutional law to give public money to private religious schools. Instead of that money going toward education for everyone as the law allows, it went to lawyers and court fees and was of course overturned.

[rock rash]

Voting early- tomorrow on my lunch break.:thumbup:

No matter which party you support, everybody get to the polls and VOTE:us:


I agree...apathy is the bane of democracy...go out and vote!

[jrsxj98]

I agree...apathy is the bane of democracy...go out and vote!

At least we can all agree on one thing............

[Powerman]

And I'm.....Spent! That was fun. Let's do it again in 2 years.:us:

[goodburbon]

The fact that there are people in the world like deer scares me.



and I'm an independent

[planefixer]

The fact that there are people in the world like deer scares me.



and I'm an independent

x2.I too am an Independent(surprise,surprise, Reindeer).He doesn't scare me, he annoys me, more than anything with his militant leftist thinking.I guess some people are easily brainwashed.

[Reindeer]

Are you aware that Marilyn Musgrave was the deciding vote to prevent funding benefits for war veterans?

Musgrave does NOT support the troops.

[Reindeer]

Updated New House Predictions:
Democrats: 249
Republicans: 193
Ties: 1

Senate:
Democrats: 50
Republicans: 49
Ties: 1

[Reindeer]

I'm amused that neo-conservatives are abandoning a failed party and the party's label of Republican in droves, calling themselves "independent", or like Rick O'Donnel and Marilyn Musgrave, leaving the Republican label off of their untruthful ads.
It's always the most rabid and dogmatic who ignore the facts and dodge real and hard questions, instead focusing on bashing minorities or changing the subject from the major issues: The failed foreign policy in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the failing economic and domestic policy, including a failed energy policy. The head of the Colorado University Republicans told me, and I quote, "Corporations never do anything wrong or criminal." I showed him that days newspaper and an article about Pfizer corporation settling out of court in the multi-millions of dollars to avoid public disclosure that their medicine was killing people. True to his warped ideoology, he said that it proved nothing, and that it was "liberal bias". Right. Everything is liberal bias that confronts neo-conservative lies and deception. What rubbish.

I noticed that not one person on this forum was informed or convinced enough of his now broken ideology to defend the failed party platform of the Contract On America and the now completely derailed and corrupted Republican party. The Conservative Movement has been "betrayed" according to the experts such as George Will and William F. Buckley. Read their writings. These are their opinions, not my words. I challenge you to read them. Conservatism has some merits, but what is going on now in government is wholesale corruption and perversion of democratic principles.

I am a bit saddened but not totally surpised that not one person here was willing to engage in meaningful debate, instead prefering to use signatures and words that are offensive to party and individual (Planefixer), others using directly personal offenses (Rev Den). I did not defend my party and my affiliation and my personal beliefs until that signature was repeated a third time inside a post in very large type, demaning a defense. It was an ill informed and innacurate statement not based in fact, and I corrected it. I was civil before and after that, and my defense was personal but warranted. If you are going to spread propaganda, you shoud be prepared to defend yourself for lying.

The liberal Democrats do in fact have answers and the antidote for the extreme levels of corruption and disgusting perversion of justice that neo-conservatives have wrought.
It has been demonstrated before, back in 1933-34 with FDR and the New Deal, and it will be done again. Democrats have never shied away from the hard job of cleaning up in the wake of Republican corruption and unrestrained power. This time it will take longer, as there has been much more damage done to the founding documents and the faith of the American people in their representatives. The October 17th version of _The Enabling Acts_ is particularly aggregious and unlawful. Republicans should be ashamed of this wholescale slaughter of the justice system.
I dare say that even King George III would have rejected this bill and sent it back to parliament. This country is founded on justice. Without justice there can be no peace.

I am sickened by the extreme lengths that Republicans have gone to harm the American way of life. Some examples ripped from just today's headlines in local newspapers:

I see in the news today that Republicans have:
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Created a situation where 7 million new people are now living in abject poverty and squalor.
11 million new cronically unemployed.
Covered up reports on IRS liens for Katrina victims prefering to release that horrific report a month late in November and lied about the cover up.
Covered up numerous reports on the consensus of man made effects of global warming coming from NASA, NOAA and other agencies.
Been accused of illegal voting, a felony (Anne Coulter)

And today's top story, making the evening news on at least two major broadcast television networks, possibly more:
http://www.9news.com/acm_news.aspx?OSGNAME=KUSA&IKOBJECTID=a73db9d1-0abe-421a-01ee-15ec09b8ff7d&TEMPLATEID=0c76dce6-ac1f-02d8-0047-c589c01ca7bf
Ted Haggard, who has been acused with evidence of having a long term relationship with a homosexual prostitute. He resigned today, confirming suspicions.
This story is political because he is a conservative evangelical pastor of a large church in Colorado Springs with 14,000 members and he is also a political advisor to the Bush administration.

Say what you will about me. As you can see, I don't care. Your insults indicate that you have no valid argument and that you are out of material.
These facts are indisputable and irrefutably prove that the Republican party is a failure on a massive scale. These facts stand.
Americans have already decided that the House will change control, and possibly the Senate as well. The Conservative Movement has been judged by the American people to be a miserable failure as implemented.

[Rev Den]

others using directly personal offenses (Rev Den).

Lies.

Care to back up that statement?

Did not think so.

Rev

[Yucca-Man]

I'm amused that neo-conservatives are abandoning a failed party and the party's label of Republican in droves, calling themselves "independent", or like Rick O'Donnel and Marilyn Musgrave, leaving the Republican label off of their untruthful ads.If you'd pull your blinders off for a few minutes and actually left yourself open to suggestion, you might notice something interesting - I haven't seen a SINGLE ad this season that says "Republican" or "Democrat" or "Flying Spaghetti Monster"...it's as though the parties have realized that people are sick of their "us vs. them" shit. I know I am.

[jrsxj98]

ok I can see where this is gonna head by the last two comments so the game is over. Nice try Reindeer at getting someone to play along.