You tax dollars at work.

[Slonopotam]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmByfTKKUV4

[ryguy32789]

Reminds me of The Largest Street Gang in America. It's worth the watch.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=54162036

Nothing cops do surprises me anymore. They have too much power for their own good. I hope this didn't go unpunished, but knowing the cops, it likely did.

[ECKSJAY]

LOL resisting arrest

What a jackass.

[JNickel101]

I love when people bitch about cops....

How about you don't do anything to give them a reason to even consider pulling you over. You KNOW they're bored....jackasses....power hungry...overly aggressive....

So why not do everything in your power to avoid making yourself even the slightest bit of a target....?

[DansGreyMj]

OMG, not another anti law enforcement thread.

[CherBear]

I love when people bitch about cops....

How about you don't do anything to give them a reason to even consider pulling you over. You KNOW they're bored....jackasses....power hungry...overly aggressive....

So why not do everything in your power to avoid making yourself even the slightest bit of a target....?

Yes, live in fear.... that will show them!!:eyes:

[DansGreyMj]

Yes, live in fear.... that will show them!!:eyes:

No, it means don't be a dumb***.

[Coastie]

Yes, live in fear.... that will show them!!:eyes:


Why would I be afraid of police if I haven't done anything illegal?

[CherBear]

Why would I be afraid of police if I haven't done anything illegal?

Neither did that guy. Besides "Acting suspicious".
Id be afraid.

[DrMoab]

people who are afraid of cops are three type of people.

A. Stupid

B Stupid and paranoid

or C...8Mud

[Joshooha]

See I believe that yes, most police officers are corrupt, however I don't think its nearly as bad as people may think. The most corrput portion, is the court system in my mind. Most police officers are just like anyone else, and they do try and help. I'm not going to advocate them by any means, everytime one is behind me I'm holding my breath praying he's not going to pull me for god know what reason. I have had my fair share run-ins w/ the law, and besides the officer that tried pulled a gun on me I can't complain about how I've been treated.

[ECKSJAY]

most police officers are corrupt, however I don't think its nearly as bad as people may think.

Most police officers are just like anyone else, and they do try and help.

:confused1

[Coastie]

Neither did that guy. Besides "Acting suspicious".
Id be afraid.


The guy was swerving...lets hope your town has all the cops that won't stop swerving motorist. I wanna make it home every night.

[Slonopotam]

So why not do everything in your power to avoid making yourself even the slightest bit of a target....?

Sometimes it is not that easy. A few years ago a cop found it suspicious my eyes were blinking too much (his lamp, reflecting from my side mirror was making me blind).
When you blinded and disoriented and do not know what is going on, it is easy to make a mistake.

On the other hand, I have to admit, that was the only bogus stop I had in the last 8 years.

[CherBear]

The guy was swerving...lets hope your town has all the cops that won't stop swerving motorist. I wanna make it home every night.
reductio ad absurdum

I think stopping him was a good idea, he seemed to be drunk or high. They checked him to the best of their abilities and found he was not under the influence of any substance. So what was he tazed for exactly? Swerving?

How about his grandmother? Was macing her the right thing to do?

[NW-ZJ-SCOTT]

How about his grandmother? Was macing her the right thing to do?
she got out of the car.. She should of been shot :thumbup:

[CherBear]

she got out of the car.. She should of been shot :thumbup:

Yea there was no way 5 or 6 fully grown men could possibly restrain an old woman right? :confused1

Protocol is one thing, common sense is another...

[Coastie]

Yea there was no way 5 or 6 fully grown men could possibly restrain an old woman right? :confused1

Protocol is one thing, common sense is another...


Isn't that a little sexist? Who says a woman can't hold her own?

There is a video somewhere on the internet of a cop "roughing up" a old lady. The whole crowd was booing and from first glance is looked like the cop was on a power trip. Turned out the old lady had a knife and I dunno about you but if you've got a weapon and intend to hurt me with it I don't care how old you are be it 8 or 80.

My point being that you don't always know what is going on, so how about you cut the guys that are out there risking their lives for yours a little slack. Or else get off your butt and join them to make these changes you want. I doubt you'd do that tho, it'd require you to get off that high horse.

[CherBear]

Isn't that a little sexist? Who says a woman can't hold her own?

There is a video somewhere on the internet of a cop "roughing up" a old lady. The whole crowd was booing and from first glance is looked like the cop was on a power trip. Turned out the old lady had a knife and I dunno about you but if you've got a weapon and intend to hurt me with it I don't care how old you are be it 8 or 80.

My point being that you don't always know what is going on, so how about you cut the guys that are out there risking their lives for yours a little slack. Or else get off your butt and join them to make these changes you want. I doubt you'd do that tho, it'd require you to get off that high horse.


Okay you have a valid point in some respects. Yes I know that not everyone out there is just going to be peachy all the time. There are people who want to hurt others and/or maybe police. But you cant excuse every police action as defense against these people.
How about the guy? He was laying on the ground, not threatening the Officers at all, simply refusing to spread his legs. How was he being a threat? he had already been searched so he wasnt carrying a weapon?

[ECKSJAY]

How about the guy? He was laying on the ground, not threatening the Officers at all, simply refusing to spread his legs. How was he being a threat? he had already been searched so he wasnt carrying a weapon?

Spoken like a guy who has never put his ass on the line or knows the definition of 'officer safety'. ;)

[CherBear]

Spoken like a guy who has never put his ass on the line or knows the definition of 'officer safety'. ;)

Well yea I will admit, Im not a cop. So what does that not entitle me to an opinion?

I will agree with you, there are two sides to every argument. I dont speak from the experience of being a cop or other LEO of any sort, I am speaking just from watching that video.

[GrimmJeeper]

'round here in Los Angeles its "Comply or die". do as your told, the more comfortable you make the officer the better off you'll be. start mouthing off and refusing orders an you gon' git whooped on. ;)

[nitrogt101]

Isn't that a little sexist? Who says a woman can't hold her own?

There is a video somewhere on the internet of a cop "roughing up" a old lady. The whole crowd was booing and from first glance is looked like the cop was on a power trip. Turned out the old lady had a knife and I dunno about you but if you've got a weapon and intend to hurt me with it I don't care how old you are be it 8 or 80.

My point being that you don't always know what is going on, so how about you cut the guys that are out there risking their lives for yours a little slack. Or else get off your butt and join them to make these changes you want. I doubt you'd do that tho, it'd require you to get off that high horse.

x2

How about the guy? He was laying on the ground, not threatening the Officers at all, simply refusing to spread his legs. How was he being a threat? he had already been searched so he wasnt carrying a weapon?

He was not tased because he was a threat, the taser is also a tool of compliance. If you watch close, the guy had his hands behind his back like he was asked, and when one officer reached down to cuff them the guy jerked his hands to the sides. Now, if anyone jerks there hands away from an officer who is trying to cuff them, especially after being asked several times, they're asking for trouble. He was tased to get him to comply. Also, "simply refusing to spread his legs" is not a small thing that can be ignored by the officers. Suspects on the ground are asked to spread their legs to inhibit their ability to stand up/roll over/move around quickly if they decide to wrestle with the officer when he approaches to hand cuff him. If you do not understand why, have a friend lay on the ground with his feet together, as you bend down to "cuff" his hands, have him try to fight you. Now, do it again with his legs apart, and you will see that he can no longer turn over or jump to his feet as quick. It's all officer safety...

[CherBear]

x2



He was not tased because he was a threat, the taser is also a tool of compliance. If you watch close, the guy had his hands behind his back like he was asked, and when one officer reached down to cuff them the guy jerked his hands to the sides. Now, if anyone jerks there hands away from an officer who is trying to cuff them, especially after being asked several times, they're asking for trouble. He was tased to get him to comply. Also, "simply refusing to spread his legs" is not a small thing that can be ignored by the officers. Suspects on the ground are asked to spread their legs to inhibit their ability to stand up/roll over/move around quickly if they decide to wrestle with the officer when he approaches to hand cuff him. If you do not understand why, have a friend lay on the ground with his feet together, as you bend down to "cuff" his hands, have him try to fight you. Now, do it again with his legs apart, and you will see that he can no longer turn over or jump to his feet as quick. It's all officer safety...

Very good point, I didnt know these things before hand but I see your point now.

I guess you guys have actually changed my mind on a few things in that video. I still dont exactly know why he was being arrested in the first place though...

[Coastie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrXjsmRuEWQ

Here is that video I was talking about, sucks for the old lady but the officer followed procedure.. That was a pretty big knife and she had to get it away from the old lady before she hurt herself or someone else.

[MaxxXJ]

the few things i learned about cops...if you own an import, dont modify it out in any way shape or form, drive it a 100% stock and they are less likely to bother you, drive right and they dont have a reason to bother you.

but in the same aspect, my fiance was on her way ot DMV in her 91 beater S-10 cuz someone stole her sticker off her plate and a cop gave her a ticket for not having the 2010 sticker, even though he knew that she was registered already.

i've had a cop pull me over on new years eve for my exhaust being too loud on my honda and ended up giving me a sobriety test just cause it was new years. been pulled over for tinted windows even thou my door windows were down long before they saw my car

what im getting at is there are good cops and bad cops, and 1 bad cop can leave a bad opinion of cops long after he's done with you.

[JNickel101]

If you watch the original video, the guy stumbles a few times - I thought it was pretty obvious the guy had been drinking or "on something". I found the commentator incredibly annoying.

[ECKSJAY]

Well yea I will admit, Im not a cop. So what does that not entitle me to an opinion?

I will agree with you, there are two sides to every argument. I dont speak from the experience of being a cop or other LEO of any sort, I am speaking just from watching that video.

You're entitled to an opinion, but knowing the subject helps.

Nothing like engaging in a battle of wits and having proper ammo. :)

[NW-ZJ-SCOTT]

the few things i learned about cops...if you own an import, dont modify it out in any way shape or form, drive it a 100% stock and they are less likely to bother you, drive right and they dont have a reason to bother you.
ENOUGH SAID..

i've had a cop pull me over on new years eve for my exhaust being too loud on my honda and ended up giving me a sobriety test just cause it was new years. been pulled over for tinted windows even thou my door windows were down long before they saw my car
DO YOU BLAME HIM?

what im getting at is there are good people and bad people, and 1 annoying as hell honda can leave a bad taste in your mouth and wish the cops WOULD abuse power!.
done.

[CherBear]

You're entitled to an opinion, but knowing the subject helps.

Nothing like engaging in a battle of wits and having proper ammo. :)

I think thats called "Learning" if im not mistaken?? :)

[ECKSJAY]

I think thats called "Learning" if im not mistaken?? :)

Learning is when you stop talking and start listening. :)

[CherBear]

Learning is when you stop talking and start listening. :)

If no one talked to ask questions then what would we be talking about? Questioning your own knowledge is the first step in believing some one else's.
:lecture:

[ECKSJAY]

If no one talked to ask questions then what would we be talking about? Questioning your own knowledge is the first step in believing some one else's.
:lecture:

http://www.goarmy.com

[DrMoab]

Where is 8mud? I wanna hear what he has to say on this matter.

Wait, What? Never mind...no I don't.

[CherBear]

http://www.goarmy.com

Cute, reaaal Cute EKSJAY. Quit wasting everyone's time by posting things that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.
I feel that I speak for more than my myself when I say this thread has had enough senseless bickering.

Its one thing to debate the current topic, that is fine, that is what forums are for.It is quite another when they are used to degrade people. Forums are for the exchange of ideas, not personal attacks and insults.

Now maybe we should all try to have some sort of civilized discussion before this goes down the Lord of the Flies road any further...

[ECKSJAY]

RARR!!

:shocked:

[NW-ZJ-SCOTT]

.... http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a279/darth-enigmus/thread-fail-stamp.gif

[tigerchief]

.... http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a279/darth-enigmus/thread-fail-stamp.gif

x2



Learning is when you stop talking and start discerning what is truth beyond opinion, belief, agenda or personal pathology.


There I fixed it for ya.


:smootch:

[tigerchief]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrXjsmRuEWQ

Here is that video I was talking about, sucks for the old lady but the officer followed procedure.. That was a pretty big knife and she had to get it away from the old lady before she hurt herself or someone else.

I dunno.

Yes, the old lady was going around with a knife, but I doubt she was a serious danger to society. My 8 year-old could have taken it away from her.

As for following procedure: no problem, but I have a HUGE problem in it's application in this case. Was it really necessary to Kung Fu fight this lady to the pavement? She wasn't exactly fast.

Trained people have tools at their disposal. Procedure or not, ASSESSMENT should be first and foremost in deciding which action to take to reach a desired outcome.

This looks like a failure in basic assessment. The take down/decision point wasn't on film, so it's hard to tell what prompted the slamming down of an 70-80 year old woman. She wasn't carrying a stick of dynamite, a grenade, or a firearm. Heck, her cane could have been more dangerous than her knife because of the range.

[Onyx Dragon]

Yes, live in fear.... that will show them!!:eyes:

More like stop being morons and idiots. Live within the law.

I want to know how many of you bashing cops would scream for help from one if someone was stealing something of yours, or had a gun on you. You would all be singing a different tune then.

[Onyx Dragon]

I dunno.

Yes, the old lady was going around with a knife, but I doubt she was a serious danger to society. My 8 year-old could have taken it away from her.

As for following procedure: no problem, but I have a HUGE problem in it's application in this case. Was it really necessary to Kung Fu fight this lady to the pavement? She wasn't exactly fast.

Trained people have tools at their disposal. Procedure or not, ASSESSMENT should be first and foremost in deciding which action to take to reach a desired outcome.

This looks like a failure in basic assessment. The take down/decision point wasn't on film, so it's hard to tell what prompted the slamming down of an 70-80 year old woman. She wasn't carrying a stick of dynamite, a grenade, or a firearm. Heck, her cane could have been more dangerous than her knife because of the range.

Yeah. All she has to do is make one move that you aren't expecting and you're cut. The safety of the officers comes before the safety of the person wandering around with a knife.

[tigerchief]

Yeah. All she has to do is make one move that you aren't expecting and you're cut. The safety of the officers comes before the safety of the person wandering around with a knife.

Sounds like you have disproportionate fear issues. You should look into that.

[Onyx Dragon]

Sounds like you have disproportionate fear issues. You should look into that.

It's not that I have a disproportionate fear issue, it's that you have a lack of intelligence and critical thinking issue. Either that or you suffer from the liberal "The world is a good place!" issue, which is proportinally as bad as the conservative "The world is a place where everyone wants you dead" issue.

You stand in front of someone with a knife and see if you don't change your mind all of a sudden.

[JNickel101]

the liberal "The world is a good place!" issue, which is proportinally as bad as the conservative "The world is a place where everyone wants you dead" issue.

I think those are interchangable....

[kastein]

Hmmmm. My opinion of the police is varied and colorful. My five incidents:
1) I was pulled over doing 93 in a 65. Officer was polite, courteous, but couldn't really cut me much slack because his lidar gun printed the ticket as soon as he pushed the button. I was guilty as hell and we both knew it. Ended up bargaining that one down to "failure to obey a traffic control device" and paid the $187 ticket. Not happy about it, but what can you do. No complaints about the officer.
2) I was pulled over on my way to work for blowing through a stop sign. There wasn't a stop sign on the corner, never has been, probably will be soon. Officer reamed me out and gave me hell, called me an idiot for not having my registration and license out when he got to my window (I was busy putting it in park and keeping my hands in full sight like I was taught to.) Got this one completely killed in traffic court with fullcolor pictures of the street corner from my camera and google streetview showing that there was no stop sign. Still cost me $25 in court fees but luckily no mark on my record and got the $50 ticket killed. I would like to meet this officer in a public place and tell him what a d-bag he is and request $25 to cover my court fees.
3) Pulled over with a large quantity of fireworks (illegal in my state) and 3 drunks in my vehicle (I was NOT one of them) after driving the wrong way down the breakdown lane of a divided highway and through a parking lot to evade a red light. Verbal warning*. I'm pretty sure the officer was just really glad I wasn't drunk, because that means 4 hours of paperwork and booking into jail, tow truck, etc etc. No complaints on this one (obviously!) - officer was nothing but courteous.
4) bright light shone in my eyes while I was sleeping in my XJ in a truckstop on the way home from NAC Lobsterfest this year - startled me, woke me up. Officer thought it was strange that I was sleeping in my Jeep "less than 30 minutes" from home (495/rt3 truckstop is not 30min from Worcester unless you are doing 100+mph) and wondered if I was drunk due to the empty case of beer sitting in the trunk. I wasn't, he figured this out as soon as he talked to me for a minute or two. No complaints on this one except WOW that spotlight is bright.
5) The officer who pulled me over on my way to the NH trailcutting/M&G at lobsterdmb's place. I was going too fast (I didn't realize just how much too fast, but I knew I was over the limit), he was quite courteous and polite, gave me my ticket and told me to slow down. He actually cut me a break and the ticket was much less painful than it should be, probably because I told him I knew I was over the limit but didn't realize I was that far over the limit. No complaints here except that the postal service lost my ticket I sent in (last time I ever send it non-certified mail... argh) and cost me a 50 dollar admin fee.

Yes, I drive slower now. I don't need more tickets.

So yeah, in general I have great respect for the police... and do what they say. Except for that one d-bag with the stop sign :soapbox: He owes me $25.

* the best part? He didn't tell me not to do that again just before letting me go, he told me "to be more careful next time." His words. :roflmao:

[8Mud]

http://www.goarmy.com

http://i36.tinypic.com/2e22s06.png

[heyhar]

The hinge pin from a $4000 toilet seat? I'll bet the R&D on that item is bigger than the GDP of most nations.

[kastein]

We don't want to know what you do in your private residence. Keep that to yourself!

(I'm betting it is the mythical electric firing pin?)

http://i36.tinypic.com/2e22s06.png

[ryguy32789]

It's one of those things you use to break your window if you sink in a lake.

[Coastie]

Obviously it's a weapon of some kind.

[8Mud]

Your all right, Kastein hit the nail on the head when he said the mythical electric firing pin for a 105 MM canon.
It would likely work well to bust out a car window, does work well when used inside your fist when throwing a punch. Would also likely make a dandy skull popper.
Kind of the CPS of an M-68 canon, the only part that regularly screws up.
Could likely also be used for a buttplug and/or controlling diarrhea of the mouth.

[ECKSJAY]

Finally found it and grabbed a pic, did ya?

http://i36.tinypic.com/2e22s06.png

[GrimmJeeper]

http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1431924461/m/9090097612001 :dunno:

[ECKSJAY]

lol that was way too easy

:D:D:D

8mud, the Googling Grandpa

[8Mud]

lol that was way too easy

:D:D:D

8mud, the Googling Grandpa

Right, I grabbed somebody else's picture, though I do have one right here in front of me (and a camera with dead batteries).
I didn't google it (found it surfing), read some guys thread on another board, name that part. Funny at least ten guys named it a tank firing pin.
But what the heck, irrelevant anyway. A lot of old tankers carried one around with them, like I said, kind of like the CPS of the M-68 main gun.

[4WDlifeform]

I have a story to share in spirit of the first video Hope you enjoy, and Ill try to keep it short:

It was about 1:30am, and decided to prank my friends WJ (which was parked in the back of a parking lot behind apartment complex), as he previously suran-wrapped my rig... So, me and 3 others got together, bought a few hundred post-it notes haha.

So, about 2 minutes or so into it, a cop pulls up rather quickly. I was closest, and yells to me "get out from behind the car, or you will be tazed!" So, kinda freaked out, with my hands up walked over to the cop, try explaining that its just a prank between friends. The cop was not too convinced... but, he says that he was going to slow the other cop down since it didnt seem like a huge threat or something...

We all cooperated, gave the cop our info, as I tried to explain the situation as the other cop arrived. He starts looking around my friends jeep... makes the smart comment "i have seen your work around town before". I have NEVER done this before!! And, why does he figure that Im the only one capable of post-it noting a car!? He made me mad... but had to keep my cool (as noted in that video!)

So, a third cop shows up... not JUST a cop, a K-9 Unit!!! Dog in there and everything!! And better yet, a FOURTH undercover unit soon arrived. So, we have 4 cops interrogating us, dog barking in the car, lights flashing, neighbors peeking out their window.... I was genuinely .... angered... for lack of a better term.

I decided to end it, I told the cops I was going to call my friend to come out and confirm everything. The first cop I think FINALLY realized the joke of it, and he decided it would be funny to spot light my friend as he came out, and ask him ferousiously if that was his jeep haha. All I told him on the phone was that he needed to come outside, and something needed taken care of!

So, yeah... you get a few bored cops, you better be good. Alot of them dont seem to know where their power ends... But, got to say, they sure got there QUICK.

[ECKSJAY]

I have a story to share in spirit of the first video Hope you enjoy, and Ill try to keep it short:

It was about 1:30am, and decided to prank my friends WJ (which was parked in the back of a parking lot behind apartment complex), as he previously suran-wrapped my rig... So, me and 3 others got together, bought a few hundred post-it notes haha.

So, about 2 minutes or so into it, a cop pulls up rather quickly. I was closest, and yells to me "get out from behind the car, or you will be tazed!" So, kinda freaked out, with my hands up walked over to the cop, try explaining that its just a prank between friends. The cop was not too convinced... but, he says that he was going to slow the other cop down since it didnt seem like a huge threat or something...

We all cooperated, gave the cop our info, as I tried to explain the situation as the other cop arrived. He starts looking around my friends jeep... makes the smart comment "i have seen your work around town before". I have NEVER done this before!! And, why does he figure that Im the only one capable of post-it noting a car!? He made me mad... but had to keep my cool (as noted in that video!)

So, a third cop shows up... not JUST a cop, a K-9 Unit!!! Dog in there and everything!! And better yet, a FOURTH undercover unit soon arrived. So, we have 4 cops interrogating us, dog barking in the car, lights flashing, neighbors peeking out their window.... I was genuinely .... angered... for lack of a better term.

I decided to end it, I told the cops I was going to call my friend to come out and confirm everything. The first cop I think FINALLY realized the joke of it, and he decided it would be funny to spot light my friend as he came out, and ask him ferousiously if that was his jeep haha. All I told him on the phone was that he needed to come outside, and something needed taken care of!

So, yeah... you get a few bored cops, you better be good. Alot of them dont seem to know where their power ends... But, got to say, they sure got there QUICK.

You're doing it wrong.

[AJTorris]

Well i know cops dont like law breaking citizens and i was a street racer. Well i would get pulled over at least 3 to 4 times a week. Basically just to check in (is what i started calling it). It was about 4 different PD officers and 1 sheriff officer. Well they would take my information, search my car, and then let me go. I know they knew who i was with out a doubt but it was sorta fun LMAO. I would always tell them see you tomorrow and they always laughed about it. They did almost catch me with a map of some different spots we had people watching for new race spots out in the orchards.

[AIbandit]

Don't like cops? don't break laws. This thread is proof we need to enforce selective breeding.


'round here in Los Angeles its "Comply or die". do as your told, the more comfortable you make the officer the better off you'll be. start mouthing off and refusing orders an you gon' git whooped on. ;)


As it should be.

[DrMoab]

Well i know cops dont like law breaking citizens and i was a street racer. Well i would get pulled over at least 3 to 4 times a week. Basically just to check in (is what i started calling it). It was about 4 different PD officers and 1 sheriff officer. Well they would take my information, search my car, and then let me go. I know they knew who i was with out a doubt but it was sorta fun LMAO. I would always tell them see you tomorrow and they always laughed about it. They did almost catch me with a map of some different spots we had people watching for new race spots out in the orchards.

Too bad they didn't catch you red handed and impound your junk.

I freakin hate speed racers.

[tigerchief]

Don't like cops? don't break laws. This thread is proof we need to enforce selective breeding.

No. The problem is not about breaking laws, or hating cops. The problem is about BAD cops, OK? You talk about selective breeding as if the problem is with people NOT accepting anti-social behavior by those invested with authority to uphold SOCIETAL VALUES.

The problem is screening candidates that end up being cops, i.e. WHY they want to be cops and whether or not they are psychologically FIT to become cops.

I have no issues with those that break the law being taken to task. In fact, I count on them being taken to task. But a LOT of laws are dependent on the officers' judgment of the situation. It is not black and white, as much as a lot of people would like to think it is.

So what happens when you get people who have mind-bent authoritarian issues, or inferiority complexes that end up being cops? You get people that have a license to bust heads to satisfy their own internal issues. What you DON'T get are REAL cops: those that uphold societal values encoded in law, making sure nobody gets downtrodden by thugs, makes sure that you can live as you should be able to, in a safe environment free of oppression.

Can you see the difference between ensuring freedom from oppression and oppressive authoritarianism?

Does the phrase "Show me your papers" ring any bells?

The above example with the post it notes could be excused by the "bored cops" explanation, but their approach to the situation is ridiculous. As is slamming down an 80-year-old with a cane (in dementia or not) to the pavement.

Things are certainly different when it comes to where you are. LA or NY shitty, they're basically contained urban war zones. Kudos to the cops out there who lay it on the line.

But why they're laying it on the line is very important to know, as is making sure it's for the right reasons.

[tigerchief]

Yeah. All she has to do is make one move that you aren't expecting and you're cut. The safety of the officers comes before the safety of the person wandering around with a knife.

Got some advice for ya.

Next time you are confronted by a little old lady with a cane and a knife, and you scream like a little girl, I suggest you RUN.

I won't hold it against you. I promise.

:shiver:

[Slonopotam]

This thread is proof we need to enforce selective breeding.


It is called eugenics. Would you prefer Canadian or German style ?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/12/EnthanasiePropaganda.jpg

[tigerchief]

The inevitable and expected Ad Hominem attack.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Way to go, buddy.

[Slonopotam]

He was not tased because he was a threat....Also, "simply refusing to spread his legs" is not a small thing that can be ignored by the officers. ... It's all officer safety...

Here we go. He was not a threat, it was a matter of compliance, compliance is important, it is a safety issue. A typical answer from law enforcement, sepulki is what made in sepulkary; sepulkary is where sepulki are made, but a layman lacks training to understand it."

I am sure it is difficult to define exactly how much pain and humiliation an average Joe can take for officers to feel safe, but in the case of the video this thread started with, it looks like the man was tased for asking questions.

[JNickel101]

I think both of you are missing the point....

It isn't about good or bad cops....

Point is, the guy got pulled over for a reason and decided to give the officer a hard time by being a smartass and a royal pain in the ass. Then his mom decided to be a typical pain in the ass too and get out of the car running her mouth in some sort of undiscernable form of ebonics. Brilliant.

Had the video shown the guy getting pulled over for absolutely no reason at all, THEN you might have a valid arguement.

Shut your damn piehole and don't give the officer a reason to pull you over. You'll be fine every time.

[ECKSJAY]

I am sure it is difficult to define exactly how much pain and humiliation an average Joe can take for officers to feel safe, but in the case of the video this thread started with, it looks like the man was tased for asking questions.

The kicker here is that if he hadn't resisted and had let the officers conduct their legitimate investigation, he likely would have been fine. It's very easy to prove in court that people refusing to cooperate (on multiple levels as this guy did) are more likely to flee or be combative. He chose to play a game and he lost.