Stupid question

[Joshooha]

http://www.quadratec.com/products/77000_801_07.htm


Can anyone tell me why this only fits from '95-'01?

I have a '92 w/ a '98 4.0L

The reason I ask is because I want to buy it, and on craigslist this guy has this exact one, and wants $300.00 for it brand new in the box....

:helpme:

[ehall]

washer fluid reservoir placement maybe

[MaxxXJ]

washer fluid reservoir placement maybe


maybe except like my model year my washer fluid bottle is in the fender area, the older models were not...

truth be told where theres a will theres a way ALSO... the 95 was the older body style, the 96-01's were when they changed over so idk maybe its really a 96-01 part

[cr2000xj]

Well, since that is for a 95+ the washer fluid bottle isn't going to be the problem it is already designed to go around that. The only thing I can think of that would be there is the fender support, which wouldn't be a problem. I have a 2000 so I cannot tell you for sure, but I don't think there is a issue.

[Stallacrew]

I too would like to know if it fits or not.

I especially would also like to know why people are willing to pay nearly $500 (or even $300) for a product that literally cost $10 in material and labor with only like $2k in r&d. Doesnt make sense.

Not trying to derail this thread, but sometimes I just gotta ask.

[hubs97xj]

Did you check their website? Looks like the 95+ kit relocates the reservoir. You wouldn't need that, but hey, who cares?

Edit- according to the parts lists, the difference is the washer reservoir kit. That took me 5 minutes, tops, to figure out, and I'm drinking.

Scroll to the bottom, and look at the parts lists.
http://www.safarisnorkel.com/guides/JEEP/JEEP%20html/ss1195HF.html
http://www.safarisnorkel.com/guides/JEEP/JEEP%20html/ss1100HF.html

[hubs97xj]

maybe except like my model year my washer fluid bottle is in the fender area, the older models were not...

truth be told where theres a will theres a way ALSO... the 95 was the older body style, the 96-01's were when they changed over so idk maybe its really a 96-01 part

97 is the changeover.

[MaxxXJ]

97 is the changeover.


my bad, thanks for the correction, i forgot, that the 97-99 were like the golden years with the HP D30's, idk why they screwed up a good thing with the 00-01's and put LP D30's in it.

[whatevah]

Well, since that is for a 95+ the washer fluid bottle isn't going to be the problem it is already designed to go around that. The only thing I can think of that would be there is the fender support, which wouldn't be a problem. I have a 2000 so I cannot tell you for sure, but I don't think there is a issue.

Actually, the physical snorkel is the same for both models. Where the tubing goes through the fender requires cutting a hole through the washer reservoir on the 95+ models (and any older ones that somehow got the in-fender bottle). The kit sold for the newer models doesn't go around it, but includes a new small bottle to replace it. That's why the 95+ kit is more expensive, because they include extra stuff.

However, the Airflow snorkel DOES go around it. The downside is that it interferes with the ABS stuff on the brake master cylinder. If you don't have ABS, I'd suggest getting the Airflow snorkel if you ever get one. :) http://www.dpgoff-road.com/site/airflow_xj_snorkels.htm

[kastein]

my bad, thanks for the correction, i forgot, that the 97-99 were like the golden years with the HP D30's, idk why they screwed up a good thing with the 00-01's and put LP D30's in it.
that'd be 84-99 with the HP D30s fyi.

As for year breakovers - not sure, I was guessing new/old body style but it's 95-01 so that doesn't make sense. Washer fluid tank is also out (for all the reasons everyone else listed.)

As for "fifteen bucks of plumbing hardware instead of 400 in custom snorkels" some people don't like how sewer piping looks on an XJ. I likely would poke a snorkel through the firewall on the passenger side (remove the AC condenser?), pass a flat duct over the valve cover, and pick up air from the top of the cabin well before I'd put plumbing all over the outside of my XJ personally.

EDIT: early RHD XJs had the same washer bottle setup as 97+ as I recall - there was a thread about it a while ago ("what's this teardrop hole on the driver fender on my pre-97?") and it seems they unified the design after 96 to save on stocking/installing two different styles.

[muduck18]

that'd be 84-99 with the HP D30s fyi.

As for year breakovers - not sure, I was guessing new/old body style but it's 95-01 so that doesn't make sense. Washer fluid tank is also out (for all the reasons everyone else listed.)

As for "fifteen bucks of plumbing hardware instead of 400 in custom snorkels" some people don't like how sewer piping looks on an XJ. I likely would poke a snorkel through the firewall on the passenger side (remove the AC condenser?), pass a flat duct over the valve cover, and pick up air from the top of the cabin well before I'd put plumbing all over the outside of my XJ personally.

EDIT: early RHD XJs had the same washer bottle setup as 97+ as I recall - there was a thread about it a while ago ("what's this teardrop hole on the driver fender on my pre-97?") and it seems they unified the design after 96 to save on stocking/installing two different styles.

This is just a crazy guess..
But the HP to LP switch over came at the same time they changed the Head from 0330 to 0331, and Exhaust to a manifold. The HP d30 was known to contact the down-pipe at stock height and pinch it, while that causes cracking in the header style, in the new manifold it would cause breakage, not to mention that the manifold takes up quite a bit more room with its added O2 sensors and Y-pipe.

IMHO it seems they put the LP30 in to allow the jeep to remain able to stuff the tires without contacting the engine parts. Its a logical move on their part. But that doesn't change the problems with 0331 head.. but thats a different discussion..

and as far as the snorkel. '94/'95+ had a different radiator system also. I would check your coolant bottle, if it has a pressurized coolant bottle in the place there as well as the washer bottle I don't know where they put the bottle, but i thought it was over next to the brake proportioning valve, and in the way of the snorkel..
But I don't know those years very well, so its just a guess.

[Darky]

Thyink about the timing of the changes...2000-2001, the last two years of the XJ. Who else uses the LP D30? The TJ and WJ. Think maybe it was for parts commonality while they phased the XJ out? I don't know if the 0331 head was used on the TJ and WJ as well, but that would make sense also. By getting rid of the XJs different parts, they saved money by only stocking one D30.

[Joshooha]

thanks for the response. I want to buy it, but its hard to justify spending that kind of money on a damn snorkel....I would rather build one, but I really can't think of a good material to use...everything I can think of is too bulky, and I already don't like how bulky the snorkel is...

[hubs97xj]

Have you checked out the "cowl snorkels" guys make?

[Joshooha]

Have you checked out the "cowl snorkels" guys make?



hmmm I need to do some research apparently. The biggest reason I want to do it is so I can run dual batteries...oh ya and the whole intake sucking water thing isn't that fun either.

[MaxxXJ]

how bout you just get a hole saw and cut a hole into your cab, run the air filter inside the cab of the xj, seal it off with silicone and call it good =) no waters going to get inside the cab hopefully! ;)

just a second thought, why do people only do snorkels for the intake and not the exhaust? if you do one for the exhaust and it stalls, at least you wont have water running back up the exhaust

[AJTorris]

The only problem i see with it in the cab is with the windows up it will create a vacume inside the cab and be really noisy. If you have ever had an aftermarket intake then you know the sound i am talking about. I dont know if i would like that personally. What i did is cut into the area where the windshield wiper motor is and ran a filter in there. with it in there you hear it but not too bad.

[MaxxXJ]

i wasnt serious, only an idiot would run it to inside the cab of their vehicle, it would smell like gas, you would get the induction noise and you would lose performance... the R&D people who build intake systems build them and route them the way they do for a reason...

[AJTorris]

Ok i was just putting my two cents in on that.

Also another thing you can do is a homemade snorkle if you really want one. I have seen a few good homemade snorkles. See i figured with my intake in the cowl, if im in that deep of water then there is something wrong with me!!! And water is going to affect a lot more than my intake

[Darky]

Don't know why it would smell like gas. It sucks air in, the fuel is mixed at the throttle body.

As far as a cowl snorkel, that's what I would like to do eventually. Something similar to the HMMWV. Have it sit right on the cowl, and then if I anticipate any deep water, stick a pipe in between to extend it higher. Seems like it would be a good way to get the cold air benefit without adding a huge amount of drag or extraneous piping for the majority of the time I'm driving.

[MaxxXJ]

Don't know why it would smell like gas. It sucks air in, the fuel is mixed at the throttle body.

As far as a cowl snorkel, that's what I would like to do eventually. Something similar to the HMMWV. Have it sit right on the cowl, and then if I anticipate any deep water, stick a pipe in between to extend it higher. Seems like it would be a good way to get the cold air benefit without adding a huge amount of drag or extraneous piping for the majority of the time I'm driving.

because the air filter is sitting on the throttle body when the engine is off the fumes from the left over fuel has gotta go somewhere... or at least so ii would think

[whatevah]

because the air filter is sitting on the throttle body when the engine is off the fumes from the left over fuel has gotta go somewhere... or at least so ii would think

If you've got fuel in the throttle body, and up into the intake you've got some serious problems. These aren't TBI systems.

[Joshooha]

how bout you just get a hole saw and cut a hole into your cab, run the air filter inside the cab of the xj, seal it off with silicone and call it good =) no waters going to get inside the cab hopefully! ;)

just a second thought, why do people only do snorkels for the intake and not the exhaust? if you do one for the exhaust and it stalls, at least you wont have water running back up the exhaust




ya, but water in your exhaust shouldn't get into the engine, unless your in deep water, but at that point or bailing from your rig anyway hahaha.

[AJTorris]

ya, but water in your exhaust shouldn't get into the engine, unless your in deep water, but at that point or bailing from your rig anyway hahaha.


Thats what i was thinking LMAO...