progress pics of front coilover hoops

[Fullsizexj]

progress pics
http://tellico.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/1182298-P9080001.jpg
gotta relocate the battery
http://tellico.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/1182612-P9090006.jpg
and a side veiw
http://tellico.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/1182613-P9090008.jpg

[vintagespeed]

Looks good, but where's the crossbrace? How're you tying the hoops together?

An Optima will fit fine in that location. You may have to trim the tray a little bit, but it'll fit. I had to move my Optima to the pass. side but that was because of the York, not because of my coilover hoops. :)

[Fullsizexj]

I will be doing a cross brace, just waiting for the tubing to come in, and I tried fitting the optima already but it seems like it is jammed against the rad hose and I am not comfortable with that besides I want to do a duel battery setup so I will relocate them where the backseat used to be. Then I can always battery weld if I have ta :rolleyes:

[Beezil]

wow! that's some sneaky hoop placement! looks like it fits like a glove.

very nice!

[DeadEyeJ]

Holy crap....

I will never, never be hardcore.

Just out of curiosity, why the coilovers on the front? Desert racing or something? In my experiences the front suspension of an XJ is great for trail use. It has always been the rear that has left me wanting. Those coilovers would be a fantastic upgrade for the rear, but perhaps only a marginal upgrade for the already capable front suspension.

Not to pee in your Cheerios or anything, it looks really neat and I'm sure it will be an improvement in performance. But do the ends justify the means in this case?

Just my 2 cents.

Jared

[Dazz]

Originally posted by DeadEyeJ
Holy crap....

Just out of curiosity, why the coilovers on the front? Desert racing or something? In my experiences the front suspension of an XJ is great for trail use. It has always been the rear that has left me wanting. Those coilovers would be a fantastic upgrade for the rear, but perhaps only a marginal upgrade for the already capable front suspension.

Just my 2 cents.

Jared
Ummmmm...

http://tellico.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/1174424-P8250299.jpg

http://tellico.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/1173410-P8230283.jpg

Looking good Fullsize! So did you get it out of the garage yet? :D

[Kejtar]

Originally posted by Dazz
So did you get it out of the garage yet? :D

I have a feeling that here in SoCal we will shortly get a frantic request for smaaal tires so that when they air down and it's all loaded up, it can roll out f the garage :)

Kejtar

[Fullsizexj]

originaly I did not plan on doing the front also but when you order 2 16" coilover shocks and they send you 4 and you call to try and return 2 and they say" Oh well keep em" you just have to go for it, as for the last pictures that Dazz posted, it has been lowered now that I have the spring rates figured out. I have decided to put off doing Full hydro steering for now and got a good deal on an AGR pump and steering box for $200.00 which I picked up tonight so I will do a regular high steer on it for now. Should speed up the build process a little

[vintagespeed]

Originally posted by DeadEyeJ
Holy crap....

I will never, never be hardcore.

Just out of curiosity, why the coilovers on the front? Desert racing or something? In my experiences the front suspension of an XJ is great for trail use. It has always been the rear that has left me wanting. Those coilovers would be a fantastic upgrade for the rear, but perhaps only a marginal upgrade for the already capable front suspension.

Not to pee in your Cheerios or anything, it looks really neat and I'm sure it will be an improvement in performance. But do the ends justify the means in this case?

Just my 2 cents.

Jared

I'll field that one. I'm running coilovers for a couple of reasons.

1. Once you ride in one offroad you'll never go back to coils.
2. Ever pop a coilspring out & have to have someone hold it to put it back in? That just sucks.
3. Height adjustable. (and yes I used to have ACOS)
4. Simplified system, fewer components to break on the trail.
5. Ever try to find a 16" travel conventional shock & coils to match?
6. Coil spacers are just plain lame.
7. The coilsprings are guaranteed not to loose height or rate. (Try sending your RE coils back cause they sag)

And the number one reason to go coilover? Chicks dig them. :)

I disagree about the rear coilovers, but I haven't ridden in Burrow's yet. To make them fit with a reasonably small lift height you've gotta have them stick way up inside the rig. My kids toys might fall out.

[XJJPR]

Originally posted by vintagespeed
I'll field that one. I'm running coilovers for a couple of reasons.


And the number one reason to go coilover? Chicks dig them. :)




You only THINK chics dig them.

You guys better hurry up my new project is almost ready and I've only spent 1/10 th the time you guys have been. :D

mark
orgs mfg

[Lucas]

Does the oil in the resivoirs heat up when placed in the engine compartment?

[Fullsizexj]

Originally posted by Mark Hinkley
You only THINK chics dig them.

You guys better hurry up my new project is almost ready and I've only spent 1/10 th the time you guys have been. :D

mark
orgs mfg

Yea but I think Mike R. has spent the other 9/10 on it;)

[Goatman]

Originally posted by Mark Hinkley
You only THINK chics dig them.

You guys better hurry up my new project is almost ready and I've only spent 1/10 th the time you guys have been. :D

mark
orgs mfg

That's because you don't spend near the time on the web that they do........you stay in the shop. :D :D ;)

Rich and Jim, I wonder how you both are going to get your rigs smogged? Will the stock airbox still fit?

[vintagespeed]

That's true. I'm waiting for parts. The stock airbox would fit on mine with some trimming/fitting of the lower section but I had to put my battery there to fit the York on the other side. I mounted another airbox to the pass. side firewall area, it'd probably smog fine with a 'friendly' smog tech. Emissions wise, it's probaby better off now.

[Fullsizexj]

I was talking to someone the other day that said Turbo City now has a smog legal air tube for the 89 cherokee that comes with the sticker and all, I have not checked to confirm it yet but if so I will go that route in 2 years since I am good till then otherwise I also have a smaller airbox I can mount back in the factory place and hook up.

[Goatman]

Jim, unfortunately it's nearly impossible to find "friendly" smog techs anymore. Their livelyhood depends on it and the BAR has come down hard on many of them....there just isn't justification to risk it. You maybe have a line on someone, but if not it might be impossible. I have a couple of very good friends who are smog techs, plus one works for me, and they still won't do it.

However, I just checked the Turbo City site like Richard mentioned, and they do have an air tube for the early models. I called them and they said it has an ARB number and she thought it was legal in CA. The whole silly issue for CA is the damn heat riser tube from the exhaust manifold to the air box to pass the visual. I don't know how TC is getting around that with the cone filter element, but if this is true, I'm going to get one.

[Craig Wood]

Yes, Turbo City's air tube has a CA number. I just went through smog last year. It comes with a tag that you can place on the unit. Just make sure when you order it that they include the tag with the order. I had a diffcult time getting mine! I had to write and call (a couple of times). Hope this helps.

Craig

[Goatman]

Originally posted by Craig Wood
Yes, Turbo City's air tube has a CA number. I just went through smog last year. It comes with a tag that you can place on the unit. Just make sure when you order it that they include the tag with the order. I had a diffcult time getting mine! I had to write and call (a couple of times). Hope this helps.

Craig

Craig, do you have the old version, pre '91, or the '91 and later?

[Jump This]

The best way to deal with the smog issue in Cali is to have your rig registered in a smog exempt town....like...Borrego Springs!!!
We have some very trick late model cars and trucks (jeeps too) out here!! Although I am not one to contribute blindly to smog..some of the damn rules are just plain stupid!!

[Kejtar]

smog exempt town?????

[THE_OWL]

My Jeeps Registered in a Smog Exempt Town
Flagstaff Arizona
I havent lived there since 1998
Is the Sierra Club gonna track me down now ?

[Craig Wood]

I have a '98 XJ.

[Slip Kid]

I'm safe here in central IL! well at least untill someone needs a few extra votes. then I'll get tested and they'll confiscate my XJ, encase it in concrete, and bury it in a toxic waste dump :)

[Fullsizexj]

Fabed up the cross brace for the hoops today, it will bolt in so if I ever need to pull the engine for a stroker soon, real soon
http://tellico.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/1184821-P9120018.jpg

[THE_OWL]

is the cross on heims? Hard to see from here

Just got my Coilovers from Bent and Twisted.
14" SAWs with 250/250 and remotes for 798 shipped
did u use a homemade hoops or did u modify a YJ one ?

[Fullsizexj]

nope has mounting plates on each end and I bent my own hoops.
bought some stuff from Mike eh, I have 200/250 on mine and it seems just about right, wont know for sure till I try it out though

[THE_OWL]

He says he'll swap springs out if it doesnt work right
good enough for me.
I got a tad more weight I think, but who knows

[Fullsizexj]

Keep me posted on how it goes

[Chief93XJ]

what brand are the coilovers? my buddy wants to know so he can get he buy 2 get 2 free deal

[Fullsizexj]

Originally posted by Chief93XJ
what brand are the coilovers? my buddy wants to know so he can get he buy 2 get 2 free deal
They are Sway-Away's but I dought he will get as lucky as I did, the place I ordererd from sent me the shocks and had to have the rest of the parts drop shipped direct from Sway-Away and they sent me more shocks and the rest of the stuff, tried to return them but they said oh well keep em so I did

[Fullsizexj]

Woo Hoo The Poison Spyder High Steer arms came today
http://tellico.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/1185368-P9130023.jpg

[THE_OWL]

$230 ?

[Goatman]

Originally posted by Craig Wood
I have a '98 XJ.

Craig, it's whole different world with the '87-'90 regarding smog. Turbo City has had a smog legal air tube for the '91 and later for a long time. I just have to check back with them again, when I called the gal didn't know much.

[Fullsizexj]

Richard, I got the info from Keven M and he did have an 89 when he had it and it did have the sticker for smog

[Flyin'Brian]

Hey Fullsixe and Owl!!
I'm a silent member. I tend to stay quiet and just read everything that comes up. I'm building my 2nd xj and have flipped over a donor I have to design the coilover suspension. I'm using long arms from Tera's LCG kit. I want to get rid of the trac bar in front, and hope not to cut into the interior rear to mount a coilover there. Is it going to work w/ a short enough coilover for the rear? My 1st xj has a coiled rear, not a coilover rear, and has plenty of travel w/ a 9000 shock. I'm hoping that a coilover about the same length would work.

[cherokee89]

Fullsize, that Jeep if F'ing sweet!!!! ;)

[DARKFLY]

how do the coil overs afect the drivability or is this a off road jeep?

[Fullsizexj]

I have driven it on the strret with no problems at all but it is an off road jeep

[Ed A. Stevens]

Originally posted by Fullsizexj
nope has mounting plates on each end and I bent my own hoops.
bought some stuff from Mike eh, I have 200/250 on mine and it seems just about right, wont know for sure till I try it out though

It looks good, and like it was lots of fun making it fit.

I am interested in knowing what you end up with for weight and travel balance with the coilovers? Will you be runing any tenders?

Predicting the spring swap results will be getting easier, soon, with a calculations spreadsheet that Bill Ansell has been working on. This should help in making educated recommendations for future coil changes (rather than doing all the math by hand).

[Fullsizexj]

Math ? spreadsheets ? I just kept changing springs till I came up witj a combination I liked, by the way I have lots of Eibach coils for sale :rolleyes:

[Ed A. Stevens]

Originally posted by Fullsizexj
Math ? spreadsheets ? I just kept changing springs till I came up witj a combination I liked, by the way I have lots of Eibach coils for sale :rolleyes:

It reminds me of my drag racing days before I learned you could calculate the jet sizes needed for different air conditions. I had a fishing tackle box full of jets, squirters, pump cams, and power valves for Holley carbs (that looked cool, but gathered lots of dust).

FYI
200/250 w/ no tender

Travel & Force (inches & pounds)
0 0
1 111
2 222
3 333
4 444
5 556
6 667
7 778
8 889
9 1000
10 1111
11 1222
12 1333
13 1583
14 1833
15 2083
16 2333

[Fullsizexj]

That covers the rear, front is 150/200 ?

[Ed A. Stevens]

Originally posted by Fullsizexj
That covers the rear, front is 150/200 ?

FYI
150/200 w/ no tender

Travel & Force (inches & pounds)

0 0
1 86
2 171
3 257
4 343
5 429
6 514
7 600
8 686
9 771
10 857
11 943
12 1143
13 1343
14 1543
15 1743
16 1943

This is without a secondary spring slider stop (or with it set @ 50% travel).

[Fullsizexj]

Thanks Ed

[Flyin'Brian]

Question:
Would it be helpful to stiffen up the rear spring on the torque side of the motor to reduce squatting? I think Currie's Fire ant is set up that way, but not sure. If so, how much??

[Fullsizexj]

I beleive but am not positive about it but Currie kits do come with a stiffer front coil for one side for that very reason

[flexj]

Originally posted by Flyin'Brian
Question:
Would it be helpful to stiffen up the rear spring on the torque side of the motor to reduce squatting? I think Currie's Fire ant is set up that way, but not sure. If so, how much??

Don't know if it matters or not, but last I heard, they were running a 4.7L, 5spd auto and Atlas. That would be a very torquey set up. A 4.0 with a 4:1 kit wouldn't put out as much torque. I'm not saying that's what everyone is running, but maybe why they did what they did.

[XJoachim]

@fullsizexj
The Eibach coils you are using, do you know the part numbers of them? As you know, i live in germany and Eibach is a german company like Bilstein and i can get a pretty good deal on Eibachs and Bilsteins. :D