Trails.....

[mattyj]

So it looks as though Cal and I will be organising runs this year. Im curious as to what you guys want to run?

Right now this what we're thinking.

Rigs for any runs should have tow/recovery points front and rear.

Easy/Scenic - good for stockers or the like. Explore some of what Johnson Valley has to offer. A few whoops, a little sand and some easy rocks.

Moderate - small lift and 31's or larger tires recommended. At least 1 traction aid (LSD or Locker) recommended. Rock rails recommended. Probably Tackhammer or Lower Big Johnson if minimum rig requirements are all met.

Mod/Hard - 33's or larger tires with 2 lockers or 35's and 1 locker required. Upgraded steering recommended. All necessary armour, skids, rock rails etc. Probably run Aftershock or Clawhammer.

Hard - 35's or larger tires, 2 lockers, NO spicer shafts, NO stock steering, Winch required, All Skids, rock rails bla bla
Depends on the build of rigs that show for this one- either Sledge, Jack, Wrecking ball, Outer Limits etc

So post up with questions or suggestions.

[Jump This]

I never had a winch, but I always had one handy!
(Its good to have friends.)

[mattyj]

I never had a winch, but I always had one handy!
(Its good to have friends.)

There's always an exception to every rule...... you had no winch, but all the beer.

:D

[David Taylor]

Hard - 35's or larger tires, 2 lockers, NO spicer shafts, NO stock steering, Winch required, All Skids, rock rails bla bla
Depends on the build of rigs that show for this one- either Sledge, Jack, Wrecking ball, Outer Limits etc

So post up with questions or suggestions.

I think the no spicer shafts and no stock steering might be over the top.
Even Rick can run Sludge on 33"s.

[Letterman]

http://www.urfracing.com/images/maps/MCAGCCStudyArea03.jpg

[mattyj]

I think the no spicer shafts and no stock steering might be over the top.
Even Rick can run Sludge on 33"s.

Maybe i should of said no spicer D30 shafts with 35's. And as you know, the stock XJ tierod is good for about 1 good hit before it folds like a pretzel.

[-96JeepSpeed-]

Mod/Hard - 33's or larger tires with 2 lockers or 35's and 1 locker required. Upgraded steering recommended. All necessary armour, skids, rock rails etc. Probably run Aftershock or Clawhamm.
Looks like im out!

[mattyj]

Looks like im out!

You dont need to be out all together, just choose a run with less dificulty.

There is plenty of stuff for all rigs out there.

:D

[-96JeepSpeed-]

I may show up.

[Letterman]

There is plenty of stuff for all rigs out there.

:D

So true, there is so much cool stuff to check out in JV!!!! Even with a stock rig! The Moderate run will be fun and if you want to take some harder lines on Tackhammer or Lower Big Johnson there is always big rocks to get your self stuck on!

Big Johnson:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a399/dlddesign/Trips/JV08/bigjohnson/DSC_0091.jpg

Tack Hammer:
http://www.urfracing.com/images/JV06_0627.jpg

Sun rise on Means is always something to see:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a399/dlddesign/Trips/JV08/people%20shots/DSC_0017.jpg

Lots of roads to explore:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a399/dlddesign/Trips/JV08/people%20shots/DSC_0120.jpg

Hills to drive:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a399/dlddesign/Trips/JV08/people%20shots/DSC_0122.jpg

Big Sand Dunes to play on:
http://www.urfracing.com/images/JV06_0709.jpg

[karstic]

Bullfrog

[djblade311]

havent ran bullfrog yet and Im interested :D

[mattyj]

Bullfrog

havent ran bullfrog yet and Im interested :D

Maybe Bullfrog is an option for the Moderate run, if there is enough people that want to do it.

Only down side is its 25-30 miles away from the lake bed, but its a fun trail.

[-96JeepSpeed-]

Is every thing in JV open to drive on? Or just the trails listed above?

[mattyj]

There is about 180000 acres for you to explore.

:D

[karstic]

Maybe Bullfrog is an option for the Moderate run, if there is enough people that want to do it.

Only down side is its 25-30 miles away from the lake bed, but its a fun trail.

Do you think the quickest way is to head out Old Woman Springs Road (assuming everyone has a street legal rig)?

[mattyj]

Do you think the quickest way is to head out Old Woman Springs Road (assuming everyone has a street legal rig)?

Definately take the road.

I would say it'll be around 35 or so miles from the lake bed to the trail head.

Have you run it before Stephan?

[Carol.92124]

Bullfrog's a great trail!! That was the main run for SoCalXJ's Jambo last spring. I only took bypasses & then parked my XJ to ride bitch (thanks, Andy!) and/or walk for a lot of it, but that's because of my limitations with 3" lift, 235/75/15's and only an 8.25 LSD.

It's a very cool trail, and worth the drive out there IMHO. I think it'd be a very fun option for the Moderate run. Good variety of terrain, and nice scenery. The epic moment is when you look up at a ridge & realize why it's called Bullfrog.

But this time around I'll probably run something I can drive my own junk on, just because I want to drive (unless you're willing to loan out your buggy again, Dave? :loveu: )

[cal]

Matty's trail 'requirements' are just working suggestions. If you show up with a built rig, some experiance, stock steering and a spare I doubt anyone would even consider turning you away. Maybe "shafts and steering appropriate to your build" would be better wording, but generally you guys get the idea.

That said, goatfest is and always has been about getting new people onto the big rocks, so bring it on and see what works that day.

[cal]

Matty and I will be leading trails that day, but I could use 1-2 more trail leads.

I believe carol offered to take some stockers exploring. Does someone on a full body and 35's want to lead claw or bullfrog?

[Carol.92124]

Matty and I will be leading trails that day, but I could use 1-2 more trail leads.

I believe carol offered to take some stockers exploring. Does someone on a full body and 35's want to lead claw or bullfrog?

Sure, I'm willing...unless someone would prefer to lead. Does anyone either have the knowhow to load a nice GPS track into my Lowrance or TomTomOne though, or a tracked GPS I can borrow? If not, it could get, well, interesting!! We'd have to call it the Three Hour Tour run, and I'd rename my rig The Minnow for the day... just don't make me wear that Skipper's cap!

Regardless, the "Bunny Trail"/Scenic Run would be the one I'd be on, and I'm cool with leading it as long as I know where I'm going! I've run Scenics twice, both were different, and I was in the middle the first time and at the end the second time.

[Letterman]

Is every thing in JV open to drive on? Or just the trails listed above?

Wide open, that is means lake in the background:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a399/dlddesign/Trips/JV08/HGSB/DSC_0791.jpg



Also this map is just the Means lake/hammer trails area:
http://www.urfracing.com/images/maps/MCAGCCStudyArea03.jpg


If you back out some you can start to get an idea how big it is, not all of JV is on this map, I could not fit in Cougar Buttes:
http://www.urfracing.com/images/maps/MCAGCCStudyArea02.jpg

Again this is over half of JV but not all of it, but it gives you an idea how much there is to explore out there:
http://www.urfracing.com/images/maps/MCAGCCStudyArea01.jpg


Google earth game me this for numbers, for the one bomb crator that we almost always park next to:
Latitude: 34°24'53.83"N
Longitude: 116°31'3.81"W

[Letterman]

Found another map of the area:
http://www.urfracing.com/images/maps/JVArea.jpg

With the Means Lake hammers trails area map on it:
http://www.urfracing.com/images/maps/JVAreaURFMAP.jpg

[Goatman]

Sure, I'm willing...unless someone would prefer to lead. Does anyone either have the knowhow to load a nice GPS track into my Lowrance or TomTomOne though, or a tracked GPS I can borrow? If not, it could get, well, interesting!! We'd have to call it the Three Hour Tour run, and I'd rename my rig The Minnow for the day... just don't make me wear that Skipper's cap!

Regardless, the "Bunny Trail"/Scenic Run would be the one I'd be on, and I'm cool with leading it as long as I know where I'm going! I've run Scenics twice, both were different, and I was in the middle the first time and at the end the second time.

I can help you find a route. I'll bring my GPS and see if there's time to make a track on Fri, if someone will know how to download it from mine to yours. Otherwise, you can jump in early Sat morning with your GPS and we'll take 30-45 minutes to run it. Also, if you have Means in your GPS so you can get back, you could just take off and go exploring.

[mikedashg]

I believe carol offered to take some stockers exploring. Does someone on a full body and 35's want to lead claw or bullfrog?

Sure! I have the tracks for bullfrog on my GPS from when we ran it this year at the late great 10th Annual SoCalXJ Jambo.

Oh wait, the date changed for goatfest and now I can't go. First time EVER I'll be missing it since the 1st annual. Nevermind! Have fun guys.

[Carol.92124]

Mike, you have me, and probably others, very curious why you can't make it on 11/7 but usually can the week before Turkey Day. Someone's b'day? Anniversary? Hmmm. Inquiring minds (aka Nosy Carol) want to know!!

Richard, that sounds great. I plan to be out there somewhat early on Friday. I took the day off work, so I should hopefully be out while it's still daylight on Friday. I have doubts as to whether I can lay hands on the software for my GPSs, but my Lowrance can do "breadcrumb" trails if we pre-run it.

[mikedashg]

Mike, you have me, and probably others, very curious why you can't make it on 11/7

I have several things planned for that day that I can't get out of.

[GSequoia]

I have several things planned for that day that I can't get out of.

ie - He has to spend the afternoon and evening at Stone Brewery most likely.


Actually it's a good thing I was talking to Cal about JV today - I didn't realize that the date had changed and was expecting it to be the weekend before Thanksgiving.

[HeepSpeed]

So I'm at 5.5'' Long Arms on 33s with dual lockers. No skids except tranny/xfer case skid. I got a tow hitch for a rear recovery point. Should I get a tow hook for the front if I don't want my axle ripped off?

What's good?

[terryg]

info on areas close by for shooting? e-thing from hi-power rifles to shot-guns to handguns.

[HeepSpeed]

aren't there hunting areas up in Big Bear near you, Terry?

[GSequoia]

So I'm at 5.5'' Long Arms on 33s with dual lockers. No skids except tranny/xfer case skid. I got a tow hitch for a rear recovery point. Should I get a tow hook for the front if I don't want my axle ripped off?

What's good?

If you don't mind some potential rocker damage I'd shoot for the moderate runs, if you do mind rocker damage beware!


Also, if you don't have tow points you might be allowed to run the stocker bunny trail if Carol is in a particularly good mood, I can guarantee you that you'll be turned away from any moderate or harder trail though.

[HeepSpeed]

I don't mind custom body damage. I'll look for a tow point for my front since the rear is covered.

[cal]

info on areas close by for shooting? e-thing from hi-power rifles to shot-guns to handguns.


IIRC, firearms arent allowed anywhere near by.

I know within the Socal XJ crowd, after a problem at an event a few years ago they are pretty frowned on.

[mikedashg]

ie - He has to spend the afternoon and evening at Stone Brewery most likely.


Actually it's a good thing I was talking to Cal about JV today - I didn't realize that the date had changed and was expecting it to be the weekend before Thanksgiving.

No, I won't be at Stone.

[Goatman]

info on areas close by for shooting? e-thing from hi-power rifles to shot-guns to handguns.

Why don't you just enjoy the wheeling and visiting? It's only a day. :)

[karstic]

info on areas close by for shooting? e-thing from hi-power rifles to shot-guns to handguns.

Terry I got some info for you. I'll post it later.

[JESSE A]

I will be on a full bodied xj with 35s lockers f/r, 44s f/r,upgraded steering, armor yada yada ran claw on 33s last time would like to run aftershock and somthing similar in difficulty, don't want to bang the jeep up TOO bad, but anything goes in JV. Suggestions?

[hollywood32]

I'm planning on running Bullfrog this weekend for the first time. If succesful I would be willing to lead that trail for the moderate run, I've lead other trails before so I just want a good idea of what bullfrog is like before I commit.

[mattyj]

I will be on a full bodied xj with 35s lockers f/r, 44s f/r,upgraded steering, armor yada yada ran claw on 33s last time would like to run aftershock and somthing similar in difficulty, don't want to bang the jeep up TOO bad, but anything goes in JV. Suggestions?

You are set up well to run whatever you like at this event Jesse. Aftershock is fun and harder than Claw, especially since KOH the waterfall near the end is pretty torn up. Or see what we do with the hard run....you'll be fine on Sledge/Jack etc

[HeepSpeed]

WooHoo! Front recovery areas purchased. So let's see - still need rockers and gas tank protected (it's plaztech ;)).

oh - and to get the dayum spare outta the back so I have room for my camping ish

[JESSE A]

Sweet I'm excited to be running some of the harder trails, I want the xj to look like an xj when were done

[karstic]

Terry I got some info for you. I'll post it later.

http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/fo/barstow/recshoot.html

The closest, legal, area to shoot solid projectiles is about 45 minute-1 hour away.

[Letterman]

Aftershock:
http://www.urfracing.com/images/JV06_0075.jpg

Highway 19:
http://www.urfracing.com/images/JV06_0255.jpg

Highway 20:
http://www.urfracing.com/images/JV06_0365.jpg

Claw Hammer:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a399/dlddesign/Goatfest07/ClawJV1107_0200.jpg

Outer Limits:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a399/dlddesign/Outer%20Limits/JVOL1107_0110.jpg

[GSequoia]

Highway 20:
http://www.urfracing.com/images/JV06_0365.jpg

Ah yes, the infamous gay hat club JV run.

[Letterman]

Upper Big Johnson:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a399/dlddesign/Trips/JV08/bigjohnson/DSC_0077.jpg

Driving over to Hells gate:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a399/dlddesign/Trips/JV08/HGSB/DSC_0799.jpg

Devils Slide:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a399/dlddesign/Trips/JV08/HGSB/DSC_0819.jpg

Sun Bonnet:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a399/dlddesign/Trips/JV08/HGSB/DSC_0030.jpg

Wrecking Ball:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a399/dlddesign/Trips/JV08/wreckingball/DSC_0476.jpg

[terryg]

thanx for the info on shooting - intended to do some fri afternoon w/ my brother, but not sure yet. might just skip shooting if it's that big a deal

[Carol.92124]

Ah yes, the infamous gay hat club JV run.
:smootch::roflmao: :smootch::roflmao: :smootch::roflmao: :smootch::roflmao: :smootch::roflmao: :smootch::roflmao:

[Carol.92124]

Also, if you don't have tow points you might be allowed to run the stocker bunny trail if Carol is in a particularly good mood, I can guarantee you that you'll be turned away from any moderate or harder trail though.
Me, be in a particularly good mood? Hell no--NEVER!!! I am a b!tch & hate everyone!! :wave:

What tow points did you get? I think the 2 best options are either the stock factory ones or the ones with brackets from Custom 4x4 that I'm running. They lock in nice & solid.

[HeepSpeed]

I got this:
http://cpwstore.carpartswholesale.com/catalog/images/prodimage/thumbs200/or_fab/83203.jpg

[cal]

I got this:
http://cpwstore.carpartswholesale.com/catalog/images/prodimage/thumbs200/or_fab/83203.jpg


Fancy. How does it mount?

[HeepSpeed]

it was factory mounts. OR Fab makes it. The place I bought it from just emailed saying they are out of stock (no wonder the price was so good). Got my money back and now I'm back in the market for a front winch bumper. :(

[cal]

Make sure your winch bumper uses 5 or so bolts on each side to bolt it in, and not just the factory 3.

Thats a recipe for fail. ;)

[-96JeepSpeed-]

What trails would be OK for a XJ on with 6", 33s, locked in the front, full Skids and front and rear tow points, not to mention Alloys in the front and beef steering. Im afraid its going to like Socal fest were i wasnt ""Allowed"" to run any trail but gold mtn.

[GSequoia]

What trails would be OK for a XJ on with 6", 33s, locked in the front, full Skids and front and rear tow points, not to mention Alloys in the front and beef steering. Im afraid its going to like Socal fest were i wasnt ""Allowed"" to run any trail but gold mtn.

What?

Were you built like you described?

YOu should be able to do anything in BIg Bear like that.

[-96JeepSpeed-]

I do not have a rear locker. What trials would ok for that setup? I just dont want to drive 4 hours and run the super easy, bunny trails!

[GSequoia]

I do not have a rear locker. What trials would ok for that setup? I just dont want to drive 4 hours and run the super easy, bunny trails!

I'd aim for moderate.

[cal]

I do not have a rear locker. What trials would ok for that setup? I just dont want to drive 4 hours and run the super easy, bunny trails!



You have gears? Make sure you have appropriate spare parts.

What rear? As long as its not a 27 spline or less rear, you should be fine for Tackhammer/LBJ, Clawhammer, or the bunny runs. Maybe aftershock with the right lead and if you're a good driver, but i hear its pretty tore up right now.

The entire point of Goatfest is to get the guys who don't usually get to run hammer trails out on to the hammer trails; but at the same time we DO have to make sure we aren't creating a problem for us and destroying your jeep. ;)

As far as SoCalFest goes .. yeah, apparently there were some problems there. A guy on a stock rig showed up and was told there was not a trail for him to run, he should find a passenger seat. I think they had the wrong guys doing the runs, who set unrealistic requirements so they wouldnt have to actually do any work.

[Jes]

If I was only locked in the front(assuming everything else was built) I'd go for LBJ, Clawhammer, Aftershock, and Sledgehammer. Those trails will challenge you with an open rear.

[cal]

If I was only locked in the front(assuming everything else was built) I'd go for LBJ, Clawhammer, Aftershock, and Sledgehammer. Those trails will challenge you with an open rear.


I considered mentioning sledge as well, but as I'm apparently still trying to master fire roads, I didnt feel comfortable commiting him to that. :)

[hollywood32]

Hell, you're built better than I am and I've never run across anything in Big Bear I couldn't do.

[Jes]

I considered mentioning sledge as well, but as I'm apparently still trying to master fire roads, I didnt feel comfortable commiting him to that. :)

:laugh2:

[-96JeepSpeed-]

You have gears? Make sure you have appropriate spare parts.

What rear? As long as its not a 27 spline or less rear, you should be fine for Tackhammer/LBJ, Clawhammer, or the bunny runs. Maybe aftershock with the right lead and if you're a good driver, but i hear its pretty tore up right now.

The entire point of Goatfest is to get the guys who don't usually get to run hammer trails out on to the hammer trails; but at the same time we DO have to make sure we aren't creating a problem for us and destroying your jeep. ;)

As far as SoCalFest goes .. yeah, apparently there were some problems there. A guy on a stock rig showed up and was told there was not a trail for him to run, he should find a passenger seat. I think they had the wrong guys doing the runs, who set unrealistic requirements so they wouldnt have to actually do any work.
Rear is a 44. Thanks for the info man, Ill see what happens. Also, I could care lass about body damage.

[cal]

Rear is a 44. Thanks for the info man, Ill see what happens. Also, I could care lass about body damage.


What are your gears?

3.55's with 33's I suppose is probably doable, but you are going to scramble and not finesse on the more technical stuff.

I dont know who's leading what exactly yet (matty and i havent set final plans, and probably wont until we see what people want to do that day) but I'll probably end up leading claw or sledge, and you're probably welcome with me - just don't be afraid to take a strap.

[mattyj]

Im easy Cal.... What ever works is cool. I'll either lead or tag along on a run.

[-96JeepSpeed-]

Ehh im out..

[cal]

Why out?

[-96JeepSpeed-]

Why out?
my jeep is just not built enough.

[mattyj]

Ehh im out..

Dont be deterred..... I've wheeled with you before and your rig works good....and better now you've got alloys up front. :D

You'll be fine for Claw/Aftershock..... Not having a rear locker will make it a little more challenging in a couple spots but you'll be fine overall.

The guidelines we set for rig requirements are flexible, like Cal mentioned earlier. They are just there to give people ,who have never been to JV before, an idea of what their build would be most suited to.

Trust me... Claw and Aftershock will give you more of a rock crawling challenge than all the trails in Big Bear and Corral Canyon combined. Even the Tackhammer/Lower big johnson run is overall harder than John Bull.

The most exciting part about wheeling in JV is wheeling outside your usual elements. Shit is tough out there and thats why you get a buzz bigger than anywhere else, when you complete a trail.

You should defiantely come....you'll love it!

I do!!!!!
:D

[cal]

my jeep is just not built enough.


BS. Come on out. Wheel. Matty or I will get you through whatever trail you end up going on.

Ask him about the first time we wheeled together ;)

[GSequoia]

my jeep is just not built enough.

Bah.

Even if you did the bunny trails there is still plenty of fun to be had. Just because you can't do Wrecking Ball doesn't mean JV isn't totally worth it. Hell, JV is worth it even if your Jeep never leaves Means Lake or you drive a Honda there!

[-96JeepSpeed-]

You guys are great, if all goes well, Ill see you there.

[HeepSpeed]

I'm coming...and I'm not prepared. But I'm open to the idea of "custom" body damage. ps: got a line on a used bumper on the CL that I'm swooping up tonight to use as a front tow point. C4x4 made it.

[hollywood32]

Well, I guess I'm out for leading a run at Bullfrog, I need to learn that trail a little better before I lead a large group thru it.

[-96JeepSpeed-]

Is Bullfrog going to be a run at goatfest?

[mattyj]

Is Bullfrog going to be a run at goatfest?

Quite possibly, if there is enough interest then it could be the mod run. The only down side is its about 30+ miles to the trail head from the lake bed.

[Carol.92124]

It didn't seem (or feel, at least) like it was that far when we went there this spring from the usual lakebed camp area.
Having been on it as passenger, I'd say it should definitely be a run (but I'll be leading the bunny run, and don’t have enough build to run it, so it's just my recommendation!). DeathValleyPaul led it for us for the SoCalXJ Jambo this spring and definitely knew where the trail ran.

On that note, folks, please come out to the Jambo even if you're stock. Johnson Valley's an amazing place. I've done the "scenic" runs twice (different routes both times) with no lift and 29" tires, with XJ full of teens and dog. There are always side shoots you can find if you crave interesting terrain, too.

I drove on the “scenic runs” at GoatFest in 11/06 http://tinyurl.com/11-06-NAXJA-Jambo (http://tinyurl.com/11-06-NAXJA-Jambo)and in 3/07 with SoCalXJ for their Jambo http://tinyurl.com/3-07-SCXJ-Jambo (http://tinyurl.com/3-07-SCXJ-Jambo). I recommend them even for those that have a serious level of build but just want an easy cruise on Saturday a.m.



And no, I'm not saying this because I'm leading the run, but because it will hopefully be a great and enjoyable time.

[Goatman]

I do not have a rear locker. What trials would ok for that setup? I just dont want to drive 4 hours and run the super easy, bunny trails!

I almost never lock my rear locker, front only 98% of the time. Use your emergency brake a little and you can do quite a bit.

[Wiser]

Is Bullfrog going to be a run at goatfest?
Dude just go, I did tackhammer and lower big johnson on 33" tires and stock 3.55 gears. It was still a blast to run only 2 trails. Plus there's sooo many other things u could do!

[cal]

Well, I guess I'm out for leading a run at Bullfrog, I need to learn that trail a little better before I lead a large group thru it.


You sure? I'm counting on you. ;)


leading 3 vs leading 20 isnt very different. I can put a good tailgunner in the group with you..

[Carol.92124]

I PMd DeathValleyPaul about Bullfrog, but I don't know if he'll get the message before GoatFest, or if he's even going... He hasn't been on NAXJA in a couple weeks.

[cal]

I'll call him. We live 3 blocks apart.

[Carol.92124]

Stand in the front yard and yell... =)

He did a great job leading SoCalXJ last spring. I have no idea if he's willing/interested in repeating it, but maybe he has GPS tracks, too?

[hollywood32]

You sure? I'm counting on you. ;)


leading 3 vs leading 20 isnt very different. I can put a good tailgunner in the group with you..

If there is nobody else that wants to do it. I will and I think I've got my new GPS figured out where I should be able to find the whole trail but no garuntee's on that since I haven't run the whole thing yet.

[-96JeepSpeed-]

Dude just go, I did tackhammer and lower big johnson on 33" tires and stock 3.55 gears. It was still a blast to run only 2 trails. Plus there's sooo many other things u could do!
Im coming!

[Wiser]

Im coming!
cool man :D

[cal]

If there is nobody else that wants to do it. I will and I think I've got my new GPS figured out where I should be able to find the whole trail but no garuntee's on that since I haven't run the whole thing yet.


So far no one else wants to do it. :) Count on it, and I'll try to find someone more familiar with it on the lakebed Friday night/ Saturday morning.

[hollywood32]

So far no one else wants to do it. :) Count on it, and I'll try to find someone more familiar with it on the lakebed Friday night/ Saturday morning.

Okay, but if I get lost out there and lead everyone off a cliff like a bunch of lemmings on the discovery channel I don't want hear any bitching about scratched paint and missing kids. :anon:

[boostamante]

Bah.

Even if you did the bunny trails there is still plenty of fun to be had. Just because you can't do Wrecking Ball doesn't mean JV isn't totally worth it. Hell, JV is worth it even if your Jeep never leaves Means Lake or you drive a Honda there!


Sweet! ill bring my HOnda! :P

Hey, im curious... i didnt read ( or maybe i overlooked it ) what time are we heading out for these trails?

Aslo, I am wondering what trails i should run with my set up

Dana 30 up front ( stupid vac disco) with tiny Ujoints
Dana 44 in the rear
Both locked with 4.88's
Rocksliders
33" tires
beefed up tierod ( thanks Jeeperjohn) but other than that stock steering
6" lift
Tow points front and rear.
Not the best built rig but i wanna do something more fun that what i have done in the past ( BB John Bull )
And body damage doesnt bother me.

[hollywood32]

Sweet! ill bring my HOnda! :P

Hey, im curious... i didnt read ( or maybe i overlooked it ) what time are we heading out for these trails?

Aslo, I am wondering what trails i should run with my set up

Dana 30 up front ( stupid vac disco) with tiny Ujoints
Dana 44 in the rear
Both locked with 4.88's
Rocksliders
33" tires
beefed up tierod ( thanks Jeeperjohn) but other than that stock steering
6" lift
Tow points front and rear.
Not the best built rig but i wanna do something more fun that what i have done in the past ( BB John Bull )
And body damage doesnt bother me.

I would say except for the u-joints your setup pretty good for the moderate runs, got any spare axle shafts? I keep a full set of spare stock shafts in my jeep but they won't work for the disco.

[djblade311]

you guys lining up and heading out to the trails by 9AM? Please dont say 8AM :)

[boostamante]

I would say except for the u-joints your setup pretty good for the moderate runs, got any spare axle shafts? I keep a full set of spare stock shafts in my jeep but they won't work for the disco.


I dont have any spare shafts. i was thinking of going to the junk for some. If anyone has some laying around let me know. Bring em to the event and we can talk about how i can pay you for them. Unless you wanna donate them :p

Ill post up on the Wanted/FS too.

[JESSE A]

Julio I think you could run clawhammer if you get spare shafts and u joints, but make sure with cal and matty before

[boostamante]

Julio I think you could run clawhammer if you get spare shafts and u joints, but make sure with cal and matty before

sounds good. ill bring spares. are the drive shaft u-joints on a XJ the same size as the tiny ones on the axle shafts?

[hollywood32]

sounds good. ill bring spares. are the drive shaft u-joints on a XJ the same size as the tiny ones on the axle shafts?

No

[JESSE A]

I thought they were all 1310 but I'm not sure

[GSequoia]

you guys lining up and heading out to the trails by 9AM? Please dont say 8AM :)

I vote for 10:30.

sounds good. ill bring spares. are the drive shaft u-joints on a XJ the same size as the tiny ones on the axle shafts?

Also if you haven't removed your unit bearings in the last year you should pull them one night. That way if you kill an axle shaft on the trail you won't have rusted on unit bearing drama.

Do your spares have unit bearings attached? If not make sure to bring a big breaker bar, 36mm socket, and some cotter pins!

[mattyj]

Also if you haven't removed your unit bearings in the last year you should pull them one night. That way if you kill an axle shaft on the trail you won't have rusted on unit bearing drama.

Do your spares have unit bearings attached? If not make sure to bring a big breaker bar, 36mm socket, and some cotter pins!

X2

Great information there!

[hollywood32]

I think this is how the u-joints break down
84 to 99 non abs smaller axle u-joint is spicer 260X series
92 to 01 with abs larger axle u-joint is spicer 297/760X series
Drive shafts are 1310X series

There is a good write-up in the FAQ's section of the website
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=101343

[GSequoia]

I think this is how the u-joints break down
84 to 99 non abs smaller axle u-joint is spicer 260X series
92 to 01 with abs larger axle u-joint is spicer 297/760X series
Drive shafts are 1310X series

There is a good write-up in the FAQ's section of the website
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=101343


Close.

'84 - '95-ish is 260x
'95-ish - '01 is 297x (The year break was vague, just like all other things Jeep!)
'89 - '01 with ABS were 297x. (The year ABS was released, if it has ABS it has big joints)

[boostamante]

if i get sapres from the junk ill buy them with the unit bearings assuming they arent fubard. The axle shafts have been removed a couple times and recently to have em regeared.
Guess im going to the junkyard this week. :P
I vote for 10:30.



Also if you haven't removed your unit bearings in the last year you should pull them one night. That way if you kill an axle shaft on the trail you won't have rusted on unit bearing drama.

Do your spares have unit bearings attached? If not make sure to bring a big breaker bar, 36mm socket, and some cotter pins!

[GSequoia]

if i get sapres from the junk ill buy them with the unit bearings assuming they arent fubard. The axle shafts have been removed a couple times and recently to have em regeared.
Guess im going to the junkyard this week. :P

Ah, you haven't actually obtained them yet ;)

Bring PB Blaster and get three longer bolts to pound against to drive the unit bearing out without damaging it. That makes it a lot easier anyway because getting the 36mm nut off without brakes or an impact wrench is pretty difficult.

[boostamante]

Ah, you haven't actually obtained them yet ;)

Bring PB Blaster and get three longer bolts to pound against to drive the unit bearing out without damaging it. That makes it a lot easier anyway because getting the 36mm nut off without brakes or an impact wrench is pretty difficult.


no, not yet. I posted up on the socal for sale asking to see if anyone has some laying about... but ill go look for some if i have to.

[GSequoia]

no, not yet. I posted up on the socal for sale asking to see if anyone has some laying about... but ill go look for some if i have to.

I don't think I have any more disconnect shafts lying about but if I bump into any while digging out my spares (wherever they are!) I'll give them to you, I'll never use them.

[boostamante]

I don't think I have any more disconnect shafts lying about but if I bump into any while digging out my spares (wherever they are!) I'll give them to you, I'll never use them.


sounds good. If you find em, ill gladly pay you in beer. :P

oh yeah, a friend of mine asked if Sammi's were allowed to come along? Apparently he's got some coworkers over at honeywell that have some built sammi's.

[GSequoia]

sounds good. If you find em, ill gladly pay you in beer. :P

Don't get your hopes up. I'm pretty sure I purged them a few years back. ;)

[boostamante]

Don't get your hopes up. I'm pretty sure I purged them a few years back. ;)


Well then its wishful thinking on my part... :P you can still have one of my beers. :P

[Letterman]

five days away, more photos needed!
Highway 20:
http://www.urfracing.com/images/JV06_0389.jpg

Looking down Claw:
http://www.urfracing.com/images/JV06_0609.jpg

Driving to the top of Wrecking Ball:
http://www.urfracing.com/images/JV06_0771.jpg

Wrecking Ball:
http://www.urfracing.com/images/JV06_0806.jpg

[cal]

@Boostamante:

Yeah, find some spare shafts and you're welcome to run. Also, remind me to pack some spare balljoints, when those 260's blow they can take the balljoint out with them. ;)


@Everyone who is unsure about running 'the hammers'

The whole point of Goatfest is to let the guys who don't normally get to run JV trails on to JV trails. As long as your shit is safe and isn't going to create a massive headache for everyone involved, we're willing to do a little work to get you through the trail. :)

Proper recovery points, reasonable build for your tire size, and reasonable spares, a first aid kit, a fire extinguisher, and an understanding that you may very well be on the trail until 4am because someone's fuel pump failed or t-case detonated. Pack some clothing, a little food, and if you bring kids along, be prepared to entertain them if the group has stopped to deal with a clusterXXXX.

Don't carry a ton of unncessary weight on the trail, you'll have an easier time climbing and reduce your odds of breaking. You don't need your entire ice chest, 10 gallons of fuel and 4 people in your back seat to go run a 3/4 mile trail. =)

None of that is LIKELY mind you, but I'm prepared for it, and as long as you are too, everything will be just peachy. :)

[Carol.92124]

You don't need your entire ice chest, 10 gallons of fuel and 4 people in your back seat to go run a 3/4 mile trail. =)
Hey, I've run out there loaded down with 4 teens and a German Shepherd and an ice chest... but of course, that was the bunny trail/scenic run. Still surprised the snot out of everyone when we all piled out of a bone-stock XJ at the first water break!!

This time it's just me & the dog, lunch & water for us both, and the usual trail equipment. Eddie's going to be so happy hegets to go again this time! He loves going to the desert, and gives me such a betrayed look if I come home from a weekend without him, smelling like rocks and sand.

[cal]

Hey, I've run out there loaded down with 4 teens and a German Shepherd and an ice chest... but of course, that was the bunny trail/scenic run. Still surprised the snot out of everyone when we all piled out of a bone-stock XJ at the first water break!!

This time it's just me & the dog, lunch & water for us both, and the usual trail equipment. Eddie's going to be so happy hegets to go again this time! He loves going to the desert, and gives me such a betrayed look if I come home from a weekend without him, smelling like rocks and sand.


Yeah, but I'm willing to bet he doesnt make margarita's with a 4 cup measuring cup.

[djblade311]

Top of Clawhammer:
http://nicandjosh.com/modules/gallery/d/7580-2/IMG_0051.jpg

Waterfall on Claw (note I was running 32 ATs back then):
http://nicandjosh.com/modules/gallery/d/11332-4/photo66.jpg

http://nicandjosh.com/modules/gallery/d/6131-2/SoCalJambo07+013.jpg

End of Lower Big Johnson:
http://nicandjosh.com/modules/gallery/d/5115-2/2006-11-19+035.jpg


Wrecking Ball in 05:
http://nicandjosh.com/modules/gallery/d/2535-2/2005-11_jv+032.jpg

Captain Ron running Wrecking Ball on 33s:
http://nicandjosh.com/modules/gallery/d/2544-2/2005-11_jv+035.jpg

Dan before his major XJ revisions:
http://nicandjosh.com/modules/gallery/d/2604-2/2005-11_jv+055.jpg

[cal]

Top of Clawhammer:
http://nicandjosh.com/modules/gallery/d/7580-2/IMG_0051.jpg




Dude you photoshoped out the winchline?

;)

[cracker]

Yeah, but I'm willing to bet he doesnt make margarita's with a 4 cup measuring cup.

There is nothing wrong with that.

BTW, it was tupperware :gee:

[cal]

There is nothing wrong with that.

BTW, it was tupperware :gee:


That's gotta be one of the greatest things I've ever heard.

"ok. two parts tequila. a part is a cup, right?"

[Carol.92124]

What can I say... for a girl that doesn't like the taste of alcohol and has no interest in drinking, she makes a helluva margarita!!

[djblade311]

Dude you photoshoped out the winchline?

;)

wrong year. Now I carry a spanner wrench for the fuel pump :D

http://nicandjosh.com/modules/gallery/d/11338-4/photo89.jpg

http://nicandjosh.com/modules/gallery/d/11341-4/photo95.jpg

[GSequoia]

Captain Ron running Wrecking Ball on 33s:
BEFORE
http://nicandjosh.com/modules/gallery/d/2544-2/2005-11_jv+035.jpg

You failed to include the After shots.

There is a reason nobody else runs it on 33's with stock bumpers and crappy tow hook brackets. :D

[Goatman]

you guys lining up and heading out to the trails by 9AM? Please dont say 8AM :)


It's best to leave no later than 9 am, at least for the hardcore runs, since you never know how long you'll be out on the trail. Plus, if you say 9:00 it'll end up being 9:30. :)

[Carol.92124]

So we say 8:30 & end up leaving at 9:00? Josh isn't leaving OC till dark-thirty Sat morning.

[-96JeepSpeed-]

Geeze, Im not looking foward to leaving SD at 330 in the morning. Thank god for cruise control.

[cracker]

You failed to include the After shots.

There is a reason nobody else runs it on 33's with stock bumpers and crappy tow hook brackets. :D


:D

It wasn't just crappy tow hook brackets. It was having them half installed.

That was a great day :)

It is hard to beleive that was 2005!

[GSequoia]

It is hard to beleive that was 2005!

Yeah that! I was looking through my photos archives for a picture I don't have and was surprised to see how long ago that was.

[djblade311]

yea that was my first trip to JV and rode with the big boys and had a blast watching

[GSequoia]

had a blast watching

I heard that about you...

[mattyj]

Geeze, Im not looking foward to leaving SD at 330 in the morning. Thank god for cruise control.

Come out Friday night.

[Wiser]

so who's going to be camping thursday night?

[JESSE A]

i will be there thursday night

[Wiser]

i will be there thursday night

I'm thinking of going Thursday night, I'm not sure yet

[-96JeepSpeed-]

Come out Friday night.
I cant make out friday.

[djblade311]

I cant make out friday.

who are you making out with instead? :D

[-96JeepSpeed-]

who are you making out with instead? :D
Tuesday....Then wensday is humpday.

[Carol.92124]

Tuesday....Then wensday is humpday.
Nice... but that's no excuse for Friday, unless (a) you're getting Fried, or (b) you're still going at it with Tuesday since Wednesday!!

[mattyj]

I'll be on the lake bed by about 9am Friday.

[JESSE A]

I'll be on the lake bed by about 9am Friday.

Any ideas on what we might run friday?

[cal]

I'll be rolling out Friday morning too, but probably be a bit behind you. I'm not a big fan of being on the road at 5am, and there will be some traffic. Call me before you hit the trail and see how far out I am. :)

[mattyj]

Any ideas on what we might run friday?

Depends who is going to be out there. We can make a decision based on the build of the rigs. If its just you, Parker, Cal and myself, maybe we'll do Jack, its always nice to have lunch at the top or if we want to drive a little further out Hells gate/Sunbonnet might be fun.

[stockerwithalocker]

Depends who is going to be out there. We can make a decision based on the build of the rigs. If its just you, Parker, Cal and myself, maybe we'll do Jack, its always nice to have lunch at the top or if we want to drive a little further out Hells gate/Sunbonnet might be fun.

Jack! You will have to look at my jeep on the lakebed, I think you are giving me more credit than I am entitled to.

[Carol.92124]

Jack! You will have to look at my jeep on the lakebed, I think you are giving me more credit than I am entitled to.
He just knows you are the ultimate "drive it like I stole it" type :laugh3:.

I should be there 10 or 11ish, but yeah, no Jack for me!!

[HeepSpeed]

So I have recovery points, rock rails and tranny/xfer case protection but NO GAS TANK SKID.
What trails can I do? Anything fun? I don't want to be relegated to the lake bed only but want challenges

[cal]

That depends on if you like your gas tank or not?

[HeepSpeed]

I do, so I guess no rocks over 3feet tall?

[cal]

I would stay off of any trail with "hammer" in the name. There are others too, but if you wanna try those, you're gas tank aint the biggest problem. :)

[-96JeepSpeed-]

That depends on if you like your gas tank or not?
Damnit, my tank skid is sitting in my carport.

[cal]

Damnit, my tank skid is sitting in my carport.


You got 24 hours..

[JESSE A]

I ran clawhammer with no gas tank skid, but maybe I got lucky.....

[GSequoia]

I ran clawhammer with no gas tank skid, but maybe I got lucky.....

I'll tell you what. "If" I were to be leading a Clawhammer run I wouldn't want anybody with a plastic tank and no skid. Gasoline baths annoy me. (And I might be taking one tomorrow when I reseat that fuel pump gasket!)

[boostamante]

I'll tell you what. "If" I were to be leading a Clawhammer run I wouldn't want anybody with a plastic tank and no skid. Gasoline baths annoy me. (And I might be taking one tomorrow when I reseat that fuel pump gasket!)


i woudlnt mind tackling claw hammer but i have not gastank skid...boo for me!

[HeepSpeed]

Julio, I'll bet we could ghetto fab something up.

ps: I measured the holes 4 times last night and STILL had to enlarge 3 of em, but the rest were dead on! :D

edit: putting on rock rails you pervs

[GSequoia]

i woudlnt mind tackling claw hammer but i have not gastank skid...boo for me!

If your sig is correct you've got a '91, that means you have a steel tank.

I'm okay with unprotected steel tanks, just make sure you have a bar of soap and some JB-Kwik on you in case you pierce it.

When steel tanks get flattened they will dent, yeah sometimes they will pop a seam but that's not the majority. When Plastic gets crushed it likes to break more often.

[HeepSpeed]

What if I wrap my plastic one with saran wrap? LOL jk